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What do you think of Lost Finale?

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I am still pretty lost.....
 
BTW, can someone tell me who that yellow dog belongs to?
 
Date: 5/24/2010 2:30:56 AM
Author: zhuzhu
BTW, can someone tell me who that yellow dog belongs to?
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The dog, Vincent, belongs to Michael''s son Walt from season 1.
 
Did they ever clear up the why pregnant women lost their babies on the island? And what the disease/illness was that affected Rousseau''s companions? I was waiting for those to be resolved and didn''t think they did.

Overall, I was pretty disappointed (as were a lot of my FB friends based on status updates, lol). I felt like the producers and writers took an easy way out - it wasn''t quite as bad as them waking up and it being all a dream, but I felt it came pretty darn close.
 
HUGE disappointment.
 
To be honest as much as i wanted to know all the random things of this island....i truly did appreciate the character development of this show. After 6 seasons of wanting questions answered we all still watched...what held it together? The characters. Yeah the island was mysterious and we wanted to know about everything....but thats what hooked us and the characters are what made the show. Whether you could share in the love for Locke''s spiritualness, hate for Ben''s greediness, Hurely''s innocence, Desmond''s perseverance, or as simple as Bernard and Rose''s love. There was a character we all could relate to....and love, hate, root for....While the show left many questions unanswered, emotionally it was fulfilling. If you followed this series from beginning to end, and truely did not enjoy the ride, then here is a question to answer...What made you stay?

Here''s a link that is on par with what i thought with the finale http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/23/lost-finale-recap-spoilers/ (spoiler alert)
 
I am disappointed. I thought that it could have ended very differently. I have not watched the Jimmy Kimmel that had all the actors and all on that supposidly had the alternate endings. I guess the reason that I am so disappointed is that it seems that the ending was not unexpected. Anyone could have figured that out ahead of time. DH has been saying that is the ending for years. I think part of the reason that I kept watching is that I thought I would be surprised by the ending. I think that this ending was so expected and not the ending I thought would blow my mind. DH and I were talking about it this morning and it seems like the beginning seasons were completely different than the end seasons. It seems like the first half of the series was written by different people than the second half.

What was the point in reuniting everyone if they were going to see each other in the church anyway? Why wouldnt Ben go in? I think they should have explained how everyone dies. The shot where it just shows the wreckage leads people to believe that they died in the crash, but Christian (Jacks father) told him that everything that happened really happened. If they wanted to end the show that way they should have either explained how and when they all died or at least in the memory/flashbacks had it be their whole lives.

I am going to watch the Jimmy Kimmel show tonight and see if I feel any better about the ending. All they hype that made this show what it was and now the ending seems like a slap in the face.
 
I went to bed thinking oh well. Great fight scene between Jack and Flocke, but overall let down. But then my husband came to bed later really stewing and upset at the ending, and he made me get all worked up. His point: that putting all this energy into the sideways world, and then invalidating it, makes everything seem not as important or real. Even the writers have gone on record before the ending saying that shouldn''t be thinking about which world is the real one, that''s not the point (actually, it is), and that can''t answer all the mysteries but the big ones will be answered (no, didn''t do that either).

I didn''t watch the Kimmel show afterwards, but this is how I would wrap it up, with minimal additional scenes needing to be shot. The numbers were a manifestation of Jacob both trying to protect the island, and his influence over the candidates. The first time they didn''t punch the numbers in, the explosion causes time lines to split, the one on the island, and the one in which the island sank. A second splintering happened when the bomb exploded, one which was on island present time, and another which caused sideways world, in which Jacob never touched the candidates. This is how their lives would have progressed had Jacob not touched them. Desmond was getting them together to explain that final battle between flocke and Jack is occuring. If Jack succeeds, then this time stream will collapse back into island stream, and cease to exist. If they remember their time in island, it will somehow help Jack win. However if remain in ignorance, then Flocke will succeed. However because of the splitting of the time line, this may cause a domino effect where this world is affected.

I guess I hate that they made the sideways world this shade of "it was only a dream". It really cheats the characters of all the life and growth they went through there, left with only world where pretty much all of them die terrible deaths.
 
Oh and writers went on record saying the sideways world was not purgatory (um maybe look up the definition of that sometime).
 
Date: 5/24/2010 9:09:06 AM
Author: radiantquest
I am disappointed. I thought that it could have ended very differently. I have not watched the Jimmy Kimmel that had all the actors and all on that supposidly had the alternate endings. I guess the reason that I am so disappointed is that it seems that the ending was not unexpected. Anyone could have figured that out ahead of time. DH has been saying that is the ending for years. I think part of the reason that I kept watching is that I thought I would be surprised by the ending. I think that this ending was so expected and not the ending I thought would blow my mind. DH and I were talking about it this morning and it seems like the beginning seasons were completely different than the end seasons. It seems like the first half of the series was written by different people than the second half.

What was the point in reuniting everyone if they were going to see each other in the church anyway? Why wouldnt Ben go in? I think they should have explained how everyone dies. The shot where it just shows the wreckage leads people to believe that they died in the crash, but Christian (Jacks father) told him that everything that happened really happened. If they wanted to end the show that way they should have either explained how and when they all died or at least in the memory/flashbacks had it be their whole lives.

I am going to watch the Jimmy Kimmel show tonight and see if I feel any better about the ending. All they hype that made this show what it was and now the ending seems like a slap in the face.
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I understand what you are saying...and yes the writing took some turns especially when all writers went on strike (if you remember that). We all had an idea of purgatory (but when and where) but the entire show and ending is still plenty open to interperation...Nothing had a clear cut answer on lost EVER. Everything was open to debate and ones own interperation. So here are some of mine of your questions:

For starters: Ben did not go in because he was not at peace and still had unfinished busniess before he could move on....He apologized to Locke but it only "Helped"....did not rectifiy Ben''s issues with Alex (his daughter).
My idea was the island was real and eveything that happened actually happened....but the bomb that was set off...was actually set off and killed them all not the plane crash. Thats when sideways flashes started occuring....which was their purgatory...eventually leading to the church which only good people could go and move on.....Hence Why Michael was not there...he said a while back "those who did bad things were not allowed to move on and had to remain on the island for eternity as the whispers"
The finale brought them together for the our (audience) enjoyment.....because whether you got questions answered you enjoyed the cast more the everything else! If anything else Lost stayed true its color....It kind of answers things without answering things while pulling your emotional strings...how do you interpert it?
 
Date: 5/24/2010 9:37:52 AM
Author: part gypsy
Oh and writers went on record saying the sideways world was not purgatory (um maybe look up the definition of that sometime).
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Perhaps purgatory is indeed a theme in the show, though not an actual location; the writers explained that they are not physically in purgatory, but perhaps the idea of redemption and karma is something each character encounters while on the Island. So far there are strong themes of faith vs logic, destiny vs free will, good vs. evil, karma, and redemption. Clearly, this show is dealing with the spiritual, despite the debunked purgatory theory.

Plus if people called out what is was in advance you might want to put it to rest...whether thats true or not will be debated
 
I guess I am one of the few that liked it. I read on one board/blog a comment along the lines of - this might not have been the best finale for the mind, but it was a wonderful finale for the heart.

My interpretation is that they all died at different times. Jack's death occurred as we saw it, with Vincent by his side. What he experienced on the island was real. It happened. Kate, Miles, and the rest who left on the plane all left and eventually died at different times. Hurley and Ben did stay on to protect the island, and they both died at different times. The sideways world where they reconnected happened at some undefined time in the future after Jack's death. It was not in parallel time to what we saw on the island in Season 6.

I absolutely loved all of the reunions/montages when people connected in the sideways world. I think I cried during each and every one of them, mainly because I loved these characters and I loved their love stories. Seeing the joy in their eyes when they remembered their histories was so touching - very emotionally fulfilling.

Was I a bit annoyed that I still don't understand why Ben and Widmore hated each other so much? Yes. Was I irked that we still don't know MIB's name? Sure. And there's a whole other list of minor details that I wished I had answers for, but overall I was very satisfied with how they wrapped things up.

I will miss this show dearly, not only because it was an entertaining hour of TV for me each week, but for the days that followed, I was always thinking and discussing and theorizing about what happened. I loved the ride, and I think it will be long time before there's another show that brings me the same kind of experience.

 
I only saw the last half hour. The little I saw reminded me somewhat of the way Titanic ended, when Rose opened the door and everyone who was on the ship was there waiting for her.

I''ll watch the entire episode tonight.
 
I''m happy with it.

I''m glad the island was a real place - that it all really happened, and that it was true. I was really worried they''d somehow make time start over again and have none of it happen. Jacob was right - none of the candidates had happy lives, and in his mind the ends are worth the means. Everybody dies, and all that mattered was protecting the source.

I liked that sideways world was an emotional purgatory. They had to find each other in their own place (kind of What Dreams May Come style) to be able to make peace with what happened to them so they could leave it behind. Very extreme example of how we have to accept the bad things that have happened to us so we can move on from them - we do it with the help of family and friends. I was SO glad that the couples were reunited. Jin and Sun, Sawyer and Juliet, Sayid and Shannon...

Now, I''m not going to lie, at first I was a little...unhappy. I may have shouted "What the f*** kind of Narnia s*** is this???" when Jack met Christian and I still thought they were going back to the island. But in the end, I don''t know that anybody would have been 100% happy with the finale - this show took so many twists and turns that trying to make it fit in with the first part of the series (the scary, OMG what''s going to happen next part) wouldn''t have rung true for the second part of the series, where they were left to cope with the hand they''d been dealt.

I liked that Ben refused to move on. He had a lot he had to answer to with Alex, and he had to forgive himself. That''s going to take a lot longer than they had for this episode. And I liked that you didn''t know how things ended for everbody. I''m glad that Jack knew that everybody that wanted to made it off of the island before he died. The show played off of a lot of philosophy and religion, and it was fun seeing that play out.

I can''t wait to watch Jimmy Kimmel tonight. I''ve loved this show for 5 years (I watched the first season on DVD) and I''m interested to see what other endings they played around with.
 
Date: 5/24/2010 10:06:06 AM
Author: princesss
I''m happy with it.

I''m glad the island was a real place - that it all really happened, and that it was true. I was really worried they''d somehow make time start over again and have none of it happen. Jacob was right - none of the candidates had happy lives, and in his mind the ends are worth the means. Everybody dies, and all that mattered was protecting the source.

I liked that sideways world was an emotional purgatory. They had to find each other in their own place (kind of What Dreams May Come style) to be able to make peace with what happened to them so they could leave it behind. Very extreme example of how we have to accept the bad things that have happened to us so we can move on from them - we do it with the help of family and friends. I was SO glad that the couples were reunited. Jin and Sun, Sawyer and Juliet, Sayid and Shannon...

Now, I''m not going to lie, at first I was a little...unhappy. I may have shouted ''What the f*** kind of Narnia s*** is this???'' when Jack met Christian and I still thought they were going back to the island. But in the end, I don''t know that anybody would have been 100% happy with the finale - this show took so many twists and turns that trying to make it fit in with the first part of the series (the scary, OMG what''s going to happen next part) wouldn''t have rung true for the second part of the series, where they were left to cope with the hand they''d been dealt.

I liked that Ben refused to move on. He had a lot he had to answer to with Alex, and he had to forgive himself. That''s going to take a lot longer than they had for this episode. And I liked that you didn''t know how things ended for everbody. I''m glad that Jack knew that everybody that wanted to made it off of the island before he died. The show played off of a lot of philosophy and religion, and it was fun seeing that play out.

I can''t wait to watch Jimmy Kimmel tonight. I''ve loved this show for 5 years (I watched the first season on DVD) and I''m interested to see what other endings they played around with.
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You hit it right on the head - Princess!
 
Date: 5/24/2010 9:45:39 AM
Author: Diamond_Newb




Date: 5/24/2010 9:37:52 AM
Author: part gypsy
Oh and writers went on record saying the sideways world was not purgatory (um maybe look up the definition of that sometime).
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Perhaps purgatory is indeed a theme in the show, though not an actual location; the writers explained that they are not physically in purgatory, but perhaps the idea of redemption and karma is something each character encounters while on the Island. So far there are strong themes of faith vs logic, destiny vs free will, good vs. evil, karma, and redemption. Clearly, this show is dealing with the spiritual, despite the debunked purgatory theory.

Plus if people called out what is was in advance you might want to put it to rest...whether thats true or not will be debated
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Simply put; I think the writers lied to keep us watching and milk the cash cow a little more, IMO. Everything can be explained with science or pseudo-science, too, right?
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The way I interpreted the ending, and I could be completely wrong in my interpretation of it, but they were in a place before heaven where people have to find their loved ones before they can move on to the 'next chapter' which we assume is heaven or reincarnartion or whatever, and well, Christains refer to that place as purgatory. But, purgatory isn't a place, as Diamond_Newb said, it appears to be a theme of faith vs. free will, redemption and acceptance etc.

I know a lot of people were misled by the wreckage in the credits (not here so much, but it's all over FB and other pages), and for those who think they all died in the plane crash: they had to meet with the other inhabitants of the island in purgatory because they spent the most important parts of their *lives* with them; lives, not deaths. Plus, the pictures of the wreckage at the end had a bunch of footprints in the sand to suggest that the island is in fact real. Why would they exist in two purgatories?

Emotionally, I'm happy with the ending. I cried like a baby when Juliet said "It worked" and "We could go dutch" to James. We've been waiting all season to see what the heck that meant during her death on the island. Jack sacrificed himself to save the island, and when he met his father in the church and his Father said to him "how can you be here?", I also had another very emotional moment.

Mentally, I'm disappointed in so much of the science that seems irrelevant when you know how it all ends. I'm disappointed that we don't have the full answer to where the light comes from. And that we were told that once it goes off and the cork is removed, the world ends. And oh, by the way, you can just shove the cork back into the hole and amazingly, the light comes back on.

After watching this show almost religiously for 6 years, and spending countless hours talking about it with my husband, friends, family, and other places on the internet, I felt like the character journey was pretty well connected, and I almost felt like I was in the church with them. I feel at peace with the concept that everything that happened was real, they all died at many different times along the journey, and the sideways flashes were pieces of their journey to make amends and finding their own constants.

Hurley and Ben congratulating each other in front of the Church was touching to me, as well.
 
A friend of mine gave the best explanation of sideways world. She said that the sideways world was how the characters WANTED their lives to be, not purgatory. Sideways world was basically the opposite of how they were before they went to the island. Jack was a successful surgeon and a better father than his own dad, Sawyer was a cop instead of a criminal, Locke''s dad was a loving dad and HE''S the one who hurt his dad, not the other way around, etc. So I thought that sounded about right.

I don''t know, I was a late adopter of Lost (got caught up through Netflix a few season ago) and never got super caught up in all the theories, so I don''t think I mind the ending as much as other Lost fans do.
 
Date: 5/24/2010 10:41:54 AM
Author: thing2of2
A friend of mine gave the best explanation of sideways world. She said that the sideways world was how the characters WANTED their lives to be, not purgatory. Sideways world was basically the opposite of how they were before they went to the island. Jack was a successful surgeon and a better father than his own dad, Sawyer was a cop instead of a criminal, Locke''s dad was a loving dad and HE''S the one who hurt his dad, not the other way around, etc. So I thought that sounded about right.

I don''t know, I was a late adopter of Lost (got caught up through Netflix a few season ago) and never got super caught up in all the theories, so I don''t think I mind the ending as much as other Lost fans do.
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True, but at the same time, the fact that they were in a holding pattern before they could move on IS purgatory. Doesn''t mean it has to be a bad one (they''re obviously not holding themselves to any one religious structure int this show), but IMO, it is what it is.

pur¡¤ga¡¤to¡¤ry   
¨Cnoun
1.(in the belief of Roman Catholics and others) a condition or place in which the souls of those dying penitent are purified from venial sins, or undergo the temporal punishment that, after the guilt of mortal sin has been remitted, still remains to be endured by the sinner.
2.(initial capital letter, italics) Italian, Pur¡¤ga¡¤to¡¤rio  /ˌpurg¨»ˈtɔryɔ/ Show Spelled[poor-gah-taw-ryaw] Show IPA. the second part of Dante''s Divine Comedy, in which the repentant sinners are depicted.Compare inferno (def. 3), paradise (def. 7).
3.any condition or place of temporary punishment, suffering, expiation, or the like.
¨Cadjective
4.serving to cleanse, purify, or expiate.

I think the last definition is the pertinent one here.
 
I am satisfied with it-I had read a lot before and the writers had said that not all of the questions would be answered, so I grew to be OK with that. I am more about closure than making up my own conclusions, but I think with this show I can just deal.

As for the ending, I don''t think it was the easy way out, if you watched the show before the finale, the creators said that the show was more about the people than the island. I think I may need to go back and watch it again to see it that way, but I enjoyed it. It was peaceful and nice to see everyone together again. The sideways world and people dying when we saw or off screen 60 years from now was different but I did like it.

With that said, it is a bit annoying that we will never know "all". Whatever-it was still better than the Sopranos!
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I really liked it and feel really satisfied with what happened.

I look at the sideways world as a place where everyone has to work through their own issues before they are ready to move forward. In some cases it was enough (ex: Sawyer becoming a cop, since in real life he had been a criminal) and in other cases it wasn''t (Ben obviously still had a lot of wrongs to right).

There were so many touching scenes, and as someone who felt more invested in the characters than in the specifics of the island, I loved it. When Sawyer comes into the hospital room and Sun realizes he hasn''t "remembered" yet, the look she gives him was great. Same thing with Kate and Jack at the concert, when Kate realizes Jack has to finish facing his problems before he can remember. The Sawyer/Juliette reunion made me tear up.
 
I think that when the bomb exploded, it opened the door to the sideways universe. When the characters died, they went there as a holding place and re-experienced their "lives" as they could have been before coming to the island. As they began to recognize each other, they started preparing to move on. The bond they formed on the island was so strong, given the power of the island, they chose to wait until everyone was ready to move on together. As it was revealed, not everyone chose to move on, e.g., Ben wasn't ready.

As for the island, it was the cork in the bottle that prevented unrelenting evil from entering the rest of the world. Jack's role as protector was brief. He was able, with Kate's help, to kill the MIB by having Desmond briefly remove the cork. Then Jack replaced the cork and it caused his death. Hurley took over the role and chose Ben to help him.

There were many scientific questions that were left unanswered. I have thought, from the beginning of the series, that the scientific and spiritual aspects of Lost were intertwined. I am left believing that the island is still there.

Mr. Risingsun and I were crying into our tissues at the end of the finale. When Vincent lay down to die with Jack, I was a goner.
 
Date: 5/24/2010 1:15:45 PM
Author: risingsun
I think that when the bomb exploded, it opened the door to the sideways universe. When the characters died, they went there as a holding place and re-experienced their ''lives'' as they could have been before coming to the island. As they began to recognize each other, they started preparing to move on. The bond they formed on the island was so strong, given the power of the island, they chose to wait until everyone was ready to move on together. As it was revealed, not everyone chose to move on, e.g., Ben wasn''t ready.


As for the island, it was the cork in the bottle that prevented unrelenting evil from entering the rest of the world. Jack''s role as protector was brief. He was able, with Kate''s help, to kill the MIB by having Desmond briefly remove the cork. Then Jack replaced the cork and it caused his death. Hurley took over the role and chose Ben to help him.


There were many scientific questions that were left unanswered. I have thought, from the beginning of the series, that the scientific and spiritual aspects of Lost were intertwined. I am left believing that the island is still there.


Mr. Risingsun and I were crying into our tissues at the end of the finale. When Vincent lay down to die with Jack, I was a goner.
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I like the interpretation you provided ! I did not realize Vincent lay down to die with Jack. What was the symbolism in that and why did Vincent have to die? (I don''t remember much about the dog, obviously!)
 
Date: 5/24/2010 1:27:53 PM
Author: zhuzhu

Date: 5/24/2010 1:15:45 PM
Author: risingsun
I think that when the bomb exploded, it opened the door to the sideways universe. When the characters died, they went there as a holding place and re-experienced their ''lives'' as they could have been before coming to the island. As they began to recognize each other, they started preparing to move on. The bond they formed on the island was so strong, given the power of the island, they chose to wait until everyone was ready to move on together. As it was revealed, not everyone chose to move on, e.g., Ben wasn''t ready.


As for the island, it was the cork in the bottle that prevented unrelenting evil from entering the rest of the world. Jack''s role as protector was brief. He was able, with Kate''s help, to kill the MIB by having Desmond briefly remove the cork. Then Jack replaced the cork and it caused his death. Hurley took over the role and chose Ben to help him.


There were many scientific questions that were left unanswered. I have thought, from the beginning of the series, that the scientific and spiritual aspects of Lost were intertwined. I am left believing that the island is still there.


Mr. Risingsun and I were crying into our tissues at the end of the finale. When Vincent lay down to die with Jack, I was a goner.
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I like the interpretation you provided ! I did not realize Vincent lay down to die with Jack. What was the symbolism in that and why did Vincent have to die? (I don''t remember much about the dog, obviously!)
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I read Vincent laying down with him as a way to show what they accomplished on the island. Remember in the first season, at one point Jack warned, "If we can''t live together, we will die alone." Well, what they did was prove that they could and would and did live together. They became a community and a family and friends, and because of that Jack didn''t have to die alone. Come to think of it, the major characters seemed to have somebody else there when they died - at least towards the end. Even if the other person wasn''t dying, they were not alone.
 
Everyone has shed a lot of light. If the show itself was meant to be more about the people than it was about the island then why didnt they tell us how they died? That seems like an important element when you are telling a story about characters. I dont know about you guys, but to me it is so hard to remember every little thing that happened over the past 6 years. I mean every epidode, you watch, think, watch again, talk about it and then it repeated again every week. I remember a discussion we had about this a few weeks ago and I was happy about them being on the island because everyone seemed happier there then in the life they formerly led. Locke could walk, Jack was a leader/doctor, Su and Jin got through their marraige issues, etc. To me sideways world was the exact same thing as the island as far as emotional growth as the island. Or is it just me? So then is sideways world the life they would lead as the new "fixed" people they became on the island. I just cant jump aboard the purgatory wagon on this. If sideways world was purgatory then what was the church while they waited for the last person to die? A holding tank?
 
Date: 5/24/2010 1:57:40 PM
Author: radiantquest
Everyone has shed a lot of light. If the show itself was meant to be more about the people than it was about the island then why didnt they tell us how they died? That seems like an important element when you are telling a story about characters.
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Do you mean how each of the people that died while on the island? Those I think they mostly touched on in the recap. As for the people that flew away at the end I don''t think it really matters how they died. All that matters is they got off the island and went on to lead further lives, but that the island and what happened there was still the most important thing that happened in their lives.
 
Zhuzhu~I don''t think that Jack or Vincent were meant to die alone. Vincent found Jack and the circle was closed for this group of castaways. I do not think that the sideways universe was purgatory. It was where the Losties waited for each other, while experiencing a different type of existence that would not have been possible without their years on the island. It was as if being on the island pressed their reset buttons for the next step in their journey. For now, that is all my brain can hold
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DH just reminded me that Vincent was with Jack when he first regained consciousness on the island. I wish I had remembered that!
 
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So, what, like they''re all dead? And they''ve been dead? And this is purgatory?

Really? Seriously?

Geez, why not just bring in Jennifer Love Hewitt to steer them toward the light already. . .
 
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