What do you say..............?

[Rod]

By now, many of you know me pretty well here. You know I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I've learned enough to at least help someone perhaps avoid a costly mistake. So, about a week ago, an acquantaince I knew said he had heard I knew a few things about diamonds and was looking for some help for an engagement ring. So, I spent over an hour with him and introduced him to Pricescope and guided him to the tutorials and we talked about grading reports and the C's. I advised him to stay with AGS or GIA graded stones and specifically suggested he avoid EGL unless he was planning to pay for an independent appraisal. I showed him rings on SMTR and he drooled over Mara's beauty (but who wouldn't) as well as many others. We talked about metals like white gold versus platinum vs palladium. And he promised to learn and not buy anything without my help. A few days later he says he's learning so much and had seen some rings from Whiteflash that he loved and was really grateful I had guided him towards better quality. And I felt good.

So, last night I see him and he says, "hey, I did it!!" And I said, "you mean you ordered something from Whiteflash?" And he says no, a buddy took me to see a "wholesaler" (uh oh) and he bought a 1.2 carat EGL "certified" (don't you hate that people think diamonds are certified) "SUPER IDEAL" (Don't you REALLY hate that dealers call them super ideal when they aren't even close) round stone set in white gold. So, I'm thinking, well maybe he didn't do badly and I ask if he has anything with the specs and he says, "no but here's what I do remember." "It's 1.2 carats, I, SI2" and then he says, "and it's 63/62" And then he says and I got it set in a white gold setting with some pave all for around $7,000 cash. And he wants to know what I think. WHAT DO I THINK?????????

I want so badly to shout at him and tell him he was hustled and the stone is likely pretty poor and I, SI2 is probably far worse than you were told and you paid waaaaay too much for your great deal. But all I could muster was, "that's great! I'm sure it's beautiful." I just don't get how he could have read the tutorials, taken notes when we talked about diamonds, said he would not do anything without my guidance and then go buy something that is nowhere near what he could have gotten. Frustrating I'm telling you.

Thanks for letting me vent...........

 

[Cehrabehra]

I don''t think I''d say much but I''m sure I''d visably cringe and say something like, "I hope it''s everything you wanted". And if forced to casually evaluate the stone I think I''d have a hard time not being honest. As much as you want to protect his feelings, my own diamond integrity would prohibit me from telling him he had a great stone if he did not.

 

[Cehrabehra]

BTW I'm totally not afraid of EGL stones... however, when I said that my sweet spot was VS2 J (which is what I got lol) I would have told someone with EGL stones or looked for EGL stones that were VVS2 H. And crunched the numbers myself. Boy, dropping to an I SI in EGL is asking for trouble

ETA: since warm stones don't but me the likely K color wouldn't offend but I'm really inclusion sensitive and that EGL SI is like nails on a chalkboard to me lol

BTW isn't it funny how some are color sensitive, some are stat sensitive, some are clarity sensitive, some are size sensitive... we each have our things. Every time I looked at SI1 stones I was uncomfortable. I would have preferred a VS1 but I was told my VS2 is a very high VS2 and boy my mind was even CLEANER lol!!

 

[:)]

Yikes! He needs to make sure to get it appraised. Let me guess - it is not returnable, right?

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 9/20/2006 3:49:06 PM
Author:
Yikes! He needs to make sure to get it appraised. Let me guess - it is not returnable, right?

don''t say that don''t say that lol it''s likely true but I didn''t want to go there!!!!! lol

 

[Kaleigh]

Rod, I feel for ya. The same thing happened to me. My very close friend''s husband came to me asking me to help in finding a new ring for his wife. He was all over the place between radiants, EC''s and princess cuts. I knew she wanted an EC and steered him towards those. I told him to come on here and have a look at some vendors, sent him a list of stones. Gave him the general guide lines of what to look for etc.. He bought down in Jewelers row, a radiant with a huge inclusion right in the middle of the table. He ended up returning it. I told him the truth, and he''s glad I did. So good luck, not an easy situation I''m sure...

 

[FireGoddess]

I wouldn''t kick an EGL USA stone out of bed either. They can be good deals since they are slightly less expensive, if you do your homework.

However, I think some people always seem to think they can get a GREAT DEAL! somewhere no matter what an educated consumer will tell them. They hear the word wholesaler or ''have a friend who knows someone'' and all of a sudden the educational info flies out the window.

Since the ring is not for you, and you did try your best, all you can do is say what you said....''good for you.''

 

[Rod]

Date: 9/20/2006 3:57:05 PM
Author: Kaleigh
Rod, I feel for ya. The same thing happened to me. My very close friend''s husband came to me asking me to help in finding a new ring for his wife. He was all over the place between radiants, EC''s and princess cuts. I knew she wanted an EC and steered him towards those. I told him to come on here and have a look at some vendors, sent him a list of stones. Gave him the general guide lines of what to look for etc.. He bought down in Jewelers row, a radiant with a huge inclusion right in the middle of the table. He ended up returning it. I told him the truth, and he''s glad I did. So good luck, not an easy situation I''m sure...

Thanks Lisa.....maybe I should have just told him the truth. I know my face had to have given away how I felt. He even commented, that EGL was one of the labs I recommend, right?

And that''s when I realized most of what I had told him went in one ear and out the other. I don''t know if he can get his money back. I''m just inclined to drop it, but boy was I disappointed to hear what he did. I was feeling that all my time here was going to save someone from a bad purchase and I was so happy to share my knowledge and help. I failed miserably and that depressed me.

 

[Rod]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:01:00 PM
Author: FireGoddess
I wouldn''t kick an EGL USA stone out of bed either. They can be good deals since they are slightly less expensive, if you do your homework.

However, I think some people always seem to think they can get a GREAT DEAL! somewhere no matter what an educated consumer will tell them. They hear the word wholesaler or ''have a friend who knows someone'' and all of a sudden the educational info flies out the window.

Since the ring is not for you, and you did try your best, all you can do is say what you said....''good for you.''

I agree, and I wouldn''t keep an EGL off the consideration list, if it was a decent stone. This one is likely not too good and using the pricescope your diamond was WAY overpriced. That white gold setting better be worth over $3K to make up the difference between what the stone is worth and what he paid for it set. And I''m guessing a white gold setting with some pave didn''t come close.

 

[devientdrow]

Rod,
I really do feel for you and I applaud you for not shouting I''ve had 3 guy friends get engaged in the past year. My husband and myself told all 3 of them how much I loved diamonds and how much I could be of help to them when it came time to picking it out. ALL 3 OF THEM WENT WITHOUT ME OR EVEN CHECKING INTO PS LIKE I TOLD THEM TOO. And to be honest it upset me a little, only because I feel like I could of saved them some cash. So heres what they came up with:

1. My cousin in law went to Smyth, which is actually very nice BUT it''s one of those places where you need to know what your looking for and be firm with the sales people lest you spend a billion dollars. My cousin in law did the exact opposite and walked in and said baisically "I have 7k to spend what can I get?" He left with a 1ct assher set in yellow gold, with two small sapphires on eithier side. The stone is at least GIA graded and I think it''s like an H SI1. He spent all 7k on it.

2. My friend went to Jareds and got a 3/4''s ct princess set in a white gold setting with 3 small channel set princess cut diamonds on each side. The whole ring totals 1ct. He spent 5k. The stone is IGI graded

3. My husbands friend let me write up some cheat sheet notes for him. However he and his lady decided not to go with an ering at all and just purchased a diamond wedding band from Jareds. I wasn''t too upset with that since he didn''t get an ering at all.

So I understand. It''s hard when you spend time and really try and get someone to see what is quality. I''m amazed at my guys that I know that are spending MAJOR bucks on something but they don''t care to learn about it! It seems like they just want to get the easiest purchase they can that looks good to them. I''ve seen both these guys put more effort into buying a computer/jet ski!

Hahah I had to edit my post to say "graded" instead of "certified" hahah it''s a bad habit of mine!

 

[FireGoddess]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:06:27 PM
Author: Rod

I failed miserably and that depressed me.

I don''t think you should look at it that way, at all!!!

All my friends know I am sparkly obsessed and many have asked for my opinion. Some have listened (ie. wrote down what I said and followed the advice).....some I even wrote emails of information to and they still ended up buying some mall crap because it was ''easy.'' In the end, all you can do is advise. If they don''t take the info seriously, or act on their own accord what can you do? He could have called you up and asked for your opinion before buying but he didn''t. He thought he had an ''in'' with a wholesaler and would come out with the steal of the century...which never happens.

 

[devientdrow]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:06:27 PM
Author: Rod

Date: 9/20/2006 3:57:05 PM
Author: Kaleigh
Rod, I feel for ya. The same thing happened to me. My very close friend''s husband came to me asking me to help in finding a new ring for his wife. He was all over the place between radiants, EC''s and princess cuts. I knew she wanted an EC and steered him towards those. I told him to come on here and have a look at some vendors, sent him a list of stones. Gave him the general guide lines of what to look for etc.. He bought down in Jewelers row, a radiant with a huge inclusion right in the middle of the table. He ended up returning it. I told him the truth, and he''s glad I did. So good luck, not an easy situation I''m sure...

Thanks Lisa.....maybe I should have just told him the truth. I know my face had to have given away how I felt. He even commented, that EGL was one of the labs I recommend, right?

And that''s when I realized most of what I had told him went in one ear and out the other. I don''t know if he can get his money back. I''m just inclined to drop it, but boy was I disappointed to hear what he did. I was feeling that all my time here was going to save someone from a bad purchase and I was so happy to share my knowledge and help. I failed miserably and that depressed me.

Aww Rod you didn''t fail. If he honestly thought EGL was one of the ones you mentioned then really like you said he wasn''t listening and that is his own fault. This is a big and important purchase and if you as a friend were taking YOUR time to give him some pointers he should of listened to you. Did he show it to you yet?

 

[Rod]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:11:17 PM
Author: FireGoddess

Date: 9/20/2006 4:06:27 PM
Author: Rod

I failed miserably and that depressed me.

I don''t think you should look at it that way, at all!!!

All my friends know I am sparkly obsessed and many have asked for my opinion. Some have listened (ie. wrote down what I said and followed the advice).....some I even wrote emails of information to and they still ended up buying some mall crap because it was ''easy.'' In the end, all you can do is advise. If they don''t take the info seriously, or act on their own accord what can you do? He could have called you up and asked for your opinion before buying but he didn''t. He thought he had an ''in'' with a wholesaler and would come out with the steal of the century...which never happens.

Thanks for making me feel better!!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:06:27 PM
Author: Rod

Date: 9/20/2006 3:57:05 PM
Author: Kaleigh
Rod, I feel for ya. The same thing happened to me. My very close friend''s husband came to me asking me to help in finding a new ring for his wife. He was all over the place between radiants, EC''s and princess cuts. I knew she wanted an EC and steered him towards those. I told him to come on here and have a look at some vendors, sent him a list of stones. Gave him the general guide lines of what to look for etc.. He bought down in Jewelers row, a radiant with a huge inclusion right in the middle of the table. He ended up returning it. I told him the truth, and he''s glad I did. So good luck, not an easy situation I''m sure...

Thanks Lisa.....maybe I should have just told him the truth. I know my face had to have given away how I felt. He even commented, that EGL was one of the labs I recommend, right?

And that''s when I realized most of what I had told him went in one ear and out the other. I don''t know if he can get his money back. I''m just inclined to drop it, but boy was I disappointed to hear what he did. I was feeling that all my time here was going to save someone from a bad purchase and I was so happy to share my knowledge and help. I failed miserably and that depressed me.

I''d call him asap because if it is possible for him to return it you''d be doing him a huge favor by intervening now before it''s too late! Might want to be sly and just ask about the return policy maybe ask about warranties and service etc. If there''s a window I''d jump through it for him and give him the straight truth!

 

[Oleander]

The siren''s lure of the "deal" is sometimes too strong for people, even if they know better.

Or it just isn''t as important to them as it is to PSers. And that''s fine as well. He''s happy with the deal, feeling like he pulled one over on the world of diamonds, and his fiance will likely love it since it''s a gift.

I never say anything bad once the purchase is made. My BIL asked me for help buying a grand piano (my area of expertise), and I, like you, spent time educating him on all aspects and brands, explaining the differences between mass-produced pianos and handmande ones, the different sounds and touches, etc. His budget would have allowed him to buy an amazing 7-foot plus sized piano--and in piano sales, there is bargaining room on price.

But he ignored all I told him; he wanted that piano to be delivered _that_ day, the salesman reeled him in on a used piano (not bad because it''s used, bad because of it''s condition), and it felt like a deal. He called me afterwards to ask me what I thought, and I told him it was a great choice and his wife will love it. After all, it''s big, black, and shiny. (Didn''t say that last part.)

So he ended up with a mass-produced, used, not rebuilt, piano with a known heavy touch (I know the piano he bought). Not one I would have spent that much money on, but I am a player and he is not. He just wanted a piece of furniture.

Sometimes you have to just back off--the same things aren''t as important to all people, and people spend money differently. Just smile and say "looks lovely!"

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:10:08 PM
Author: devientdrow
Rod,
I really do feel for you and I applaud you for not shouting I''ve had 3 guy friends get engaged in the past year. My husband and myself told all 3 of them how much I loved diamonds and how much I could be of help to them when it came time to picking it out. ALL 3 OF THEM WENT WITHOUT ME OR EVEN CHECKING INTO PS LIKE I TOLD THEM TOO. And to be honest it upset me a little, only because I feel like I could of saved them some cash. So heres what they came up with:

1. My cousin in law went to Smyth, which is actually very nice BUT it''s one of those places where you need to know what your looking for and be firm with the sales people lest you spend a billion dollars. My cousin in law did the exact opposite and walked in and said baisically ''I have 7k to spend what can I get?'' He left with a 1ct assher set in yellow gold, with two small sapphires on eithier side. The stone is at least GIA graded and I think it''s like an H SI1. He spent all 7k on it.

2. My friend went to Jareds and got a 3/4''s ct princess set in a white gold setting with 3 small channel set princess cut diamonds on each side. The whole ring totals 1ct. He spent 5k. The stone is IGI graded

3. My husbands friend let me write up some cheat sheet notes for him. However he and his lady decided not to go with an ering at all and just purchased a diamond wedding band from Jareds. I wasn''t too upset with that since he didn''t get an ering at all.

So I understand. It''s hard when you spend time and really try and get someone to see what is quality. I''m amazed at my guys that I know that are spending MAJOR bucks on something but they don''t care to learn about it! It seems like they just want to get the easiest purchase they can that looks good to them. I''ve seen both these guys put more effort into buying a computer/jet ski!

Hahah I had to edit my post to say ''graded'' instead of ''certified'' hahah it''s a bad habit of mine!

LOL I have a friend who is looking for a princess soon and I really hope she doesn''t make this mistake! In fact, I''m going to email her a link to this very thread and shake some fear into her!!!! LOL!!

BTW my BIL was talking about maybe asking his girlfriend to marry and I told him about PS and to ASK ME and he said, ''Nah, my cousin aldo down in chulavista works in the SD diamond district" and I was like NOOOO and he was like "But he''s family, can get it wholesale" and I''m like NOOOOOOOOOO lol Of course my husband, his brother, was the one who said, "let''s just go to shane company".

 

[:)]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:19:33 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 9/20/2006 4:10:08 PM
Author: devientdrow
Rod,
I really do feel for you and I applaud you for not shouting I''ve had 3 guy friends get engaged in the past year. My husband and myself told all 3 of them how much I loved diamonds and how much I could be of help to them when it came time to picking it out. ALL 3 OF THEM WENT WITHOUT ME OR EVEN CHECKING INTO PS LIKE I TOLD THEM TOO. And to be honest it upset me a little, only because I feel like I could of saved them some cash. So heres what they came up with:

1. My cousin in law went to Smyth, which is actually very nice BUT it''s one of those places where you need to know what your looking for and be firm with the sales people lest you spend a billion dollars. My cousin in law did the exact opposite and walked in and said baisically ''I have 7k to spend what can I get?'' He left with a 1ct assher set in yellow gold, with two small sapphires on eithier side. The stone is at least GIA graded and I think it''s like an H SI1. He spent all 7k on it.

2. My friend went to Jareds and got a 3/4''s ct princess set in a white gold setting with 3 small channel set princess cut diamonds on each side. The whole ring totals 1ct. He spent 5k. The stone is IGI graded

3. My husbands friend let me write up some cheat sheet notes for him. However he and his lady decided not to go with an ering at all and just purchased a diamond wedding band from Jareds. I wasn''t too upset with that since he didn''t get an ering at all.

So I understand. It''s hard when you spend time and really try and get someone to see what is quality. I''m amazed at my guys that I know that are spending MAJOR bucks on something but they don''t care to learn about it! It seems like they just want to get the easiest purchase they can that looks good to them. I''ve seen both these guys put more effort into buying a computer/jet ski!

Hahah I had to edit my post to say ''graded'' instead of ''certified'' hahah it''s a bad habit of mine!

LOL I have a friend who is looking for a princess soon and I really hope she doesn''t make this mistake! In fact, I''m going to email her a link to this very thread and shake some fear into her!!!! LOL!!

BTW my BIL was talking about maybe asking his girlfriend to marry and I told him about PS and to ASK ME and he said, ''Nah, my cousin aldo down in chulavista works in the SD diamond district'' and I was like NOOOO and he was like ''But he''s family, can get it wholesale'' and I''m like NOOOOOOOOOO lol Of course my husband, his brother, was the one who said, ''let''s just go to shane company''.

I lived in SD for a few years - there is a diamond district in SD???!!!

 

[Rod]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:13:14 PM
Author: devientdrow

Date: 9/20/2006 4:06:27 PM
Author: Rod

Date: 9/20/2006 3:57:05 PM
Author: Kaleigh
Rod, I feel for ya. The same thing happened to me. My very close friend''s husband came to me asking me to help in finding a new ring for his wife. He was all over the place between radiants, EC''s and princess cuts. I knew she wanted an EC and steered him towards those. I told him to come on here and have a look at some vendors, sent him a list of stones. Gave him the general guide lines of what to look for etc.. He bought down in Jewelers row, a radiant with a huge inclusion right in the middle of the table. He ended up returning it. I told him the truth, and he''s glad I did. So good luck, not an easy situation I''m sure...

Thanks Lisa.....maybe I should have just told him the truth. I know my face had to have given away how I felt. He even commented, that EGL was one of the labs I recommend, right?

And that''s when I realized most of what I had told him went in one ear and out the other. I don''t know if he can get his money back. I''m just inclined to drop it, but boy was I disappointed to hear what he did. I was feeling that all my time here was going to save someone from a bad purchase and I was so happy to share my knowledge and help. I failed miserably and that depressed me.

Aww Rod you didn''t fail. If he honestly thought EGL was one of the ones you mentioned then really like you said he wasn''t listening and that is his own fault. This is a big and important purchase and if you as a friend were taking YOUR time to give him some pointers he should of listened to you. Did he show it to you yet?

He hasn''t shown it to me and since I don''t know his girlfriend, I actually hope he doesn''t. I''m the kind of guy who tends to show my emotions on my shirtsleeve and I figure he''s happy, he''s excited, it''s what he wants, he thinks he did great so why should I rain on his parade? So, nope, hope I never see the little scoundrel.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:25:55 PM
Author:

I lived in SD for a few years - there is a diamond district in SD???!!!

He seems to think so LOL! I have no idea what sort of thing they have cooked up... I could conjure up theories but I probably shouldn''t

 

[Rod]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:10:08 PM
Author: devientdrow
Rod,
I really do feel for you and I applaud you for not shouting I''ve had 3 guy friends get engaged in the past year. My husband and myself told all 3 of them how much I loved diamonds and how much I could be of help to them when it came time to picking it out. ALL 3 OF THEM WENT WITHOUT ME OR EVEN CHECKING INTO PS LIKE I TOLD THEM TOO. And to be honest it upset me a little, only because I feel like I could of saved them some cash. So heres what they came up with:

1. My cousin in law went to Smyth, which is actually very nice BUT it''s one of those places where you need to know what your looking for and be firm with the sales people lest you spend a billion dollars. My cousin in law did the exact opposite and walked in and said baisically ''I have 7k to spend what can I get?'' He left with a 1ct assher set in yellow gold, with two small sapphires on eithier side. The stone is at least GIA graded and I think it''s like an H SI1. He spent all 7k on it.

2. My friend went to Jareds and got a 3/4''s ct princess set in a white gold setting with 3 small channel set princess cut diamonds on each side. The whole ring totals 1ct. He spent 5k. The stone is IGI graded

3. My husbands friend let me write up some cheat sheet notes for him. However he and his lady decided not to go with an ering at all and just purchased a diamond wedding band from Jareds. I wasn''t too upset with that since he didn''t get an ering at all.

So I understand. It''s hard when you spend time and really try and get someone to see what is quality. I''m amazed at my guys that I know that are spending MAJOR bucks on something but they don''t care to learn about it! It seems like they just want to get the easiest purchase they can that looks good to them. I''ve seen both these guys put more effort into buying a computer/jet ski!

Hahah I had to edit my post to say ''graded'' instead of ''certified'' hahah it''s a bad habit of mine!

At least I know I''m not alone. Thanks for sharing your experiences with me. And yes, even I sometimes say certified instead of graded, even though I certainly know better. LOL

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:27:53 PM
Author: Rod

He hasn''t shown it to me and since I don''t know his girlfriend, I actually hope he doesn''t. I''m the kind of guy who tends to show my emotions on my shirtsleeve and I figure he''s happy, he''s excited, it''s what he wants, he thinks he did great so why should I rain on his parade? So, nope, hope I never see the little scoundrel.

I''m partly of the mind that EVERY diamond should be loved.... but how much you *pay* for that joy is another thing altogether lol!

 

[Rod]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:45:21 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 9/20/2006 4:27:53 PM
Author: Rod

He hasn''t shown it to me and since I don''t know his girlfriend, I actually hope he doesn''t. I''m the kind of guy who tends to show my emotions on my shirtsleeve and I figure he''s happy, he''s excited, it''s what he wants, he thinks he did great so why should I rain on his parade? So, nope, hope I never see the little scoundrel.

I''m partly of the mind that EVERY diamond should be loved.... but how much you *pay* for that joy is another thing altogether lol!

Not sure I''m with you there........I''ve seen some really really bad frozen spit diamonds that truly deserved no love, but somehow, magically wound up on someone''s fingers or ears.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 9/20/2006 4:51:22 PM
Author: Rod

Date: 9/20/2006 4:45:21 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 9/20/2006 4:27:53 PM
Author: Rod

He hasn''t shown it to me and since I don''t know his girlfriend, I actually hope he doesn''t. I''m the kind of guy who tends to show my emotions on my shirtsleeve and I figure he''s happy, he''s excited, it''s what he wants, he thinks he did great so why should I rain on his parade? So, nope, hope I never see the little scoundrel.

I''m partly of the mind that EVERY diamond should be loved.... but how much you *pay* for that joy is another thing altogether lol!

Not sure I''m with you there........I''ve seen some really really bad frozen spit diamonds that truly deserved no love, but somehow, magically wound up on someone''s fingers or ears.

I dunno, for fifteen years I would have rather had a frozen spit diamond than nothing at all... granted if I''d had that I might not be able to justify what I''m getting... but still... for those who have a $300 budget, maybe they''d rather have the ugly diamond than a chip or nothing.

BTW one of the stores I went to, I asked for the biggest diamond they had which was only a 2 carat and it was SOOOOOO included... the salesperson said after I pointed it out that he agreed and it was so bad he wouldn''t sell it and I''m thinking, well why did you have it in your *window* then LOL

 

[Ellen]

You can lead a horse to water but you can''t make him drink.

I CAN imagine how you feel/felt, but don''t dwell on it, you did the best you could. And that''s all anyone can do.

 

[kcoursolle]

Rod, you definitely didn''t fail. The good news is that you probably made some sort of impression and that he could have done a lot worse actually. A 62/63 diamond EGL is not as bad as ebay LOL!!!

This has happened to me numerous times now. Since I''m around the age where many people are getting engaged, friends ask for my help all the time. I point them in the right direction, teach them about cut, etc. They seem interested and want to know, but when it really boils down to it, they want a diamond fast and with little effort. Luckily I don''t think their girlfriends are diamond obsessed like us and will probably love the ring with all of their heart.


I always say that same thing..."Lovely ring, congratulations!"


I will give help if people ask, but after they purchase I think they just want to hear they did a good job...even if they didn''t. Who am I to judge them and rain on their parade? Non-ideal cut diamonds are good enough for the majority of people...just not me LOL.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 9/20/2006 5:57:00 PM
Author: kcoursolle

I always say that same thing...''Lovely ring, congratulations!''

LOL I can''t do that! If I didn''t think it was lovely I couldn''t say it... but I could say, "Oh congratulations! You must be so excited!" Forget the ring, it''s all about the marriage anyway, right?

 

[Rod]

Date: 9/20/2006 5:57:00 PM
Author: kcoursolle
Rod, you definitely didn''t fail. The good news is that you probably made some sort of impression and that he could have done a lot worse actually. A 62/63 diamond EGL is not as bad as ebay LOL!!!

This has happened to me numerous times now. Since I''m around the age where many people are getting engaged, friends ask for my help all the time. I point them in the right direction, teach them about cut, etc. They seem interested and want to know, but when it really boils down to it, they want a diamond fast and with little effort. Luckily I don''t think their girlfriends are diamond obsessed like us and will probably love the ring with all of their heart.


I always say that same thing...''Lovely ring, congratulations!''


I will give help if people ask, but after they purchase I think they just want to hear they did a good job...even if they didn''t. Who am I to judge them and rain on their parade? Non-ideal cut diamonds are good enough for the majority of people...just not me LOL.

Thanks and I agree with you completely.

 

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Rod,
A friend of mine did far worse. He said he wanted to buy a house closer to my neighborhood. I did all the research for him and I thought they were in good hands. They told me a month later that they bought a brand new house in a city 15 minutes from mine for 1.2M (!!!??)

They put $50k deposit and it is non-refundable. I drove by and the place is a dump, surrounded by low end industries and bars. The school district is rated at the bottom. I checked the comparable and it is overprized by a huge amount. I just couldn''t believe it. Being a pal, I tried to talk them out of it by showing them all the relevant data. In my mind, losing $50K is much better off than losing hundreds of thousands especially the housing market is hitting a down turn. As you can predict it, they get really offended and they don''t even talk to me anymore. I lose a friend for nothing. My kids told me to mind my own business and I should have listened to them. I''ve done my best to show them the way and it is up to them to choose it wisely.