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I dont mind being corrected (of course theres been so few times that theres been an actual error on my part!
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)if its done in the right (polite)way.Sometimes it shows class just to let some things go,but some times you need to stand up for your self if a person is trying to make you look bad in front of others, or its a power play to see if you will back down and make themselves look good.
 
Spelling in English is hard though. Look at the word "enough". It speaks for itself.
 
Date: 6/16/2009 9:57:25 PM
Author: D&T
I''m terrible at English, it is my second language, however, I always welcome someone to correct me, I have a problem with misusing the correct term or word, so PSer''s please correct me
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I really welcome it, sometimes I feel dumb asking. The word I mis use frequently is Has and Have... I still don''t get it. go figure.
Same here, D&T! I actually find it helpful when someone corrects me as long as their correction is correct, that is!
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If it''s not, I find it mildly irritating (i.e. native speakers misusing affect and effect; come on now, it''s your own language, learn it! No need to confuse me! Just joking... kinda. lol)

Regarding my first language though, I''m relentless. My writing and speaking are flawless even if I say so myself
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(I''ve had a great passion for literature for as long as I can remember), so I don''t like it when someone tries to correct me and they''re actually incorrect. But usually I''m the one that''s trying very hard not to correct others.
 
I usually bite my tongue. It''s really hard though, especially at work. I teach at a special needs school, and my assistant (who has recently left to do another job) was wonderful in many areas, but her spelling, grammar, sentence construction--you name it--were atrocious. It drove me insane when she''d help the students and spell something wrongly, or have them write ''sentences'' that were missing verbs or punctuation. She''d also add words to their word books (where they go to find how to spell words) and misspell those. It was difficult, because I didn''t want to undermine her authority with the students, but at the same time, she was teaching them the wrong things!
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If someone corrects me incorrectly...it depends on who it is. If they're doing it in a nice gentle way, I'll let it slide, unless it's a close relationship where it's fine to get into a conversation about it. If it's done it a not-so-nice way, I recorrect and explain why, to end it.

Two of my pet peeves are:

1) I will try and do it. It's try TO do it! That one bugs the crap out of me, I always use the correct version and people always mistakenly correct it. There was actually a discussion about it with Stephen Fry recently. He was in my corner, however he's big on the evolution of language, so his stance is that so many people are saying "try and do it" now that it's a lost battle.

2) Someone already mentioned it but I hate when people correct me for saying "do you want to come with Jane and me?" to "Jane and I?". Ugh. Do you want to come with I? Really? Come on people!

Phew...ok I'm calm...good topic Haven
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ETA if someone corrects me correctly (and nicely!) I am grateful. It should be done.
 
My boss (the prez) is the worst at pronouncing words correctly and I don''t say and thing, but everyone in the company calls them Mr. X-isms...

Actually = Ashually
Regardless = Irregardless
Aghast = Agasp
Aluminum = Al-you-min-ee-um (which is sad because we''re in manufacturing)
Probably = Prolly

Ahhgh I can''t even think of more, but it''s unnerving to listen to.
 
depends on the situation. I HATE when someone corrects ANYONE because of their grammar in front of others. I think it''s rude and embarrassing. I think if an adult chooses to talk a certain way it''s their choice and business. If they are going to correct someone before a big (for example) job presentation then fine but do it discretely. I guess coming from a family whose English is their 2nd language and not all having degrees in grammar, it irks me when ppl try to correct my parents especially in a way that''s embarrassing to my parents.

In the past when I''ve had a KNOW IT ALL try to correct me (and I know they are wrong), I have said THANKS but no... my information is correct. If someone is going to try and embarrass me in front of others I don''t have a problem standing up for myself in a nice way.
 
One ''correction'' that I really enjoyed was an American who left a comment on a British designer''s website telling her that she couldn''t spell ''jewellery'' and how the heck did she expect to sell anything if she couldn''t even spell and suggesting that she should use spell check!
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I do use British spellings myself, but I don''t correct people from some other countries if they use their native spellings.

Sometimes on PS I have questioned some spellings - I remember one poster who kept talking about ''rose pedals'', I was confused as to whether this was a US term or whether the poster didn''t know that it should be ''rose petals''.

It bugs me when people talk about ''carrots'' instead of ''carats'' and whilst I wouldn''t correct a quote I will use the correct spelling as much as possible in my reply.

IRL, I used to go crazy when I was working in Italy - my company would spend loads of $$$ having tags for their clothing printed and all the info in English was grammatically incorrect, spelt wrongly and completely incomprehensible. I mean how much hassle would it be to email me and ask me to proof it?

But then, I once did that for a colleague who was sending out a letter inviting buyers to a meeting. I had to correct a fair bit as it was worded really badly. His boss then changed it all back again. My colleague pointed out that I had written it - his boss''s reply: "Well Pandora knows f*** all about English"...
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Date: 6/17/2009 9:09:48 AM
Author: Pandora II
One 'correction' that I really enjoyed was an American who left a comment on a British designer's website telling her that she couldn't spell 'jewellery' and how the heck did she expect to sell anything if she couldn't even spell and suggesting that she should use spell check!
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I do use British spellings myself, but I don't correct people from some other countries if they use their native spellings.

Sometimes on PS I have questioned some spellings - I remember one poster who kept talking about 'rose pedals', I was confused as to whether this was a US term or whether the poster didn't know that it should be 'rose petals'.

It bugs me when people talk about 'carrots' instead of 'carats' and whilst I wouldn't correct a quote I will use the correct spelling as much as possible in my reply.

IRL, I used to go crazy when I was working in Italy - my company would spend loads of $$$ having tags for their clothing printed and all the info in English was grammatically incorrect, spelt wrongly and completely incomprehensible. I mean how much hassle would it be to email me and ask me to proof it?

But then, I once did that for a colleague who was sending out a letter inviting buyers to a meeting. I had to correct a fair bit as it was worded really badly. His boss then changed it all back again. My colleague pointed out that I had written it - his boss's reply: 'Well Pandora knows f*** all about English'...
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I remember that one!
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Here is one which crops up a lot here cutlet for culet.
 
LOL...funny story (at least to me)

Our department admin is in charge of the birth announcements for the floor. This is how each announcement goes out:

Baby X was borned on such and such date, weighing whatever.

I cringe every time I see this. So a friend of mine had her baby and called me to let everyone know. I sent her (the admin) an email that said the same:

Baby X was born on such and such date, weighing whatever.

Well, the admin emails me back saying "thanks for the update! I made a correction please see below before I distribute" and the correction was to change born to borned.

I sat there staring at the emai for 15 minutes not knowing what to say because our admin is really sensitive. I just decided to let it go.

When the email finally goes out, it says:

Team, below is a message from FIERY about So and So''s baby:

Baby X was borned on such and such date, weighing whatever.

I got so much crap that day from everyone lol
 
Some new teenagerisms . . .

"Hey, that''s mines." I guess it kind of makes sense . . . his, hers, ours, yours, theirs . . . they all end in S. I also see "theirself" in in their writing. But they say "mines" all the time. I do correct them. "Did you say ''mines''? You know that''s not a word, right? It''s just ''mine.''" This is usually received with a look of total confusion. If they say something to me in a double negative or using ain''t, I just repeat it back to them and raise an eyebrow. "You ain''t got your homework?" And then they say, "Oh, sorry, I don''t . . . got my homework?" and I say, "You don''t have your homework?"

"Way" has become the new "much" or "very." "That''s way cool." "That''s way more work than I can do."

Granted, it is a small group of my honors kids who have these problems, but this is what they are hearing at home and they really believe it''s correct. When I teach 12th grade AP literature next year, I''m going to emphasize to the kids how important reading intelligent publications is. Most of what they read has been dumbed down, and if they are ever to learn more sophisticated vocabulary and phrasing, then they will have to learn it by exposure, not by memorization (because heaven knows I tried to beat it into them by memorization in the 10th grade, and it didn''t work!). They need to read the NY Times or the Washington Post for their news, not CNN (broadcast journalism doesn''t need to worry about good writing) or Yahoo. And they need to read the novels I assign in class, not SparkNotes! Etc.



OK, so I guess nobody has any clue about my grammar puzzle. The answer was the object complement, not any of the choices listed in the exercise. I give a lot of kudos to the teacher who figured it out. There was quite a debate between direct and indirect object, and somebody even thought it was the predicate nominative, which at least was on the right track with the complement part.
 
When I was teaching, whenever I corrected students, I usually got back, "Why do you care? You're not the English teacher." So obviously, Haven, you and any other English teachers should be the only ones that care and ARE allowed to correct.
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Since exiting the teaching profession, I usually just let poor grammar and pronunciation slide, unless asked for help. The ones that drive me nuts and I have a hard time not correcting are your/you're and they're/there/their in writing and the wonderful midwestern pronunciation of "wash"--i.e. "I'm going to warsh the car."

Me and everyone else prolly need to be learned to speak and write more better.
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Date: 6/16/2009 7:56:40 PM
Author:Haven
someone corrects you, but her correction is actually incorrect?
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I''m interested in how you respond, especially when the person is subtle about making the correction. (e.g. She repeats what you just said or wrote, but changes a word or punctuation to include an incorrect edit that she believes is the correct form.)

Do you ignore it? Do you subtly correct her correction? Do you begin to second-guess yourself, even though you *know* you''re correct?

I''m asking because I''ve noticed this happen both online and in real life, and it''s interesting to see how different people react when they''re corrected.

I have a good friend who often uses ''I'' as an object pronoun, but I never correct her because, well, it would just feel like a rude thing to do. I do use ''I'' and ''me'' correctly when speaking with her, of course, but never as a means of correcting her misuse of these words. However, she often corrects my use of these words, although her corrections are wrong. I don''t say anything, as she is subtle about these ''corrections'' and it''s not really something I care to address.

And, there is one word that I''ve used a couple times here on PS, and then posters later quoted my post and used the subtle correction technique on me to show me the ''correct'' version of that word. I''ve always ignored it, but I will admit that I always want to say ''Hey! Wait a minute! I used that word correctly!''

So, what do you do? My guess is that everyone ignores it, but I can''t help it, it bothers me to be incorrectly corrected!

I''m a nerd. Go ahead, point and laugh. I suppose I should be thanking my lucky stars that I have time to worry about these things, right?
It depends on who''s correcting me and whether or not other people are arond.

If it is someone who I don''t know well, and it just the two of us, I''ll usually ask in as non-threatening a way as possible, "Are you sure?" If we are with other people, I will bite my tongue, unless it is a correction that impacts the rest of the group.

If it''s someone I know well, I will usually just tell them that I am REALLY confident I am correct. Sometimes they listen, sometimes they don''t. But I pick my battles and try not to be nit-picky. More often than not, this tactic works - they know that when I speak up, I''m speaking up for a good reason.

This used to happen a lot with my BF when we''d do crossword puzzles together. He''d try to correct my spelling on a regular basis. Early on in our relationship, I would let him do it, since we''d obviously find out his spellings were wrong when the puzzle didn''t work out and I didn''t want to bruise his ego.
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Slowly but surely, he started to notice that my spelling was more accurate than his. So now, if he tries to correct my spelling, I just use the "I am REALLY SURE about this," and he backs off. It cracks me up now.
 
It grates on my nerves to see grammatical errors, but especially on a message board I would just let it go because we all make mistakes sometimes. If someone is correcting someone else in a quote, I really think they have WAY too much time on their hands. I think it shows more class to just let it go. Real life situations are a bit different and I would politely correct the person if I thought it might later embarrass them.
 
Date: 6/17/2009 8:43:05 AM
Author: Starset Princess
My boss (the prez) is the worst at pronouncing words correctly and I don''t say and thing, but everyone in the company calls them Mr. X-isms...

Actually = Ashually
Regardless = Irregardless
Aghast = Agasp
Aluminum = Al-you-min-ee-um (which is sad because we''re in manufacturing)
Probably = Prolly

Ahhgh I can''t even think of more, but it''s unnerving to listen to.
Oh, this is too funny! I have to think it makes work a little more fun sometimes!
 
I have to say, I would correct the person. I hate grammatical and spelling errors, and I do mean hate them. I tend to be guilty of overusing commas, which I am working on. Otherwise, I am a major sticker, and want to know that I am doing things correctly, and believe firmly in correct education.

It''s sad because there are many places that don''t put any emphasis on this. My SO is a very intelligent individual when it comes to math, business ideas, common sense, street smarts, he knows his history and science information, but his schools did not place any emphasis on learning proper English, and he now has trouble with reading very slowly, and spelling. I''ve been helping him as much as I can, and know that it isn''t any fault of his. He was never taught to enjoy English and enjoy reading.
 

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6/17/2009 12:57:05 AM
Author: jewelerman

I dont mind being corrected (of course theres been so few times that theres been an actual error on my part!
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)if its done in the right (polite)way.Sometimes it shows class just to let some things go,but some times you need to stand up for your self if a person is trying to make you look bad in front of others, or its a power play to see if you will back down and make themselves look good.
I really think you have hit the nail on the head with the spirit of your posting, jewelerman. Let me rephrase that ;-). You appear to be saying that the poster''s intent is important, and I agree with that sentiment.

I love to debate grammar and language usage and I would be very comfortable indeed engaging in a discussion of my grammar with someone who was well-intentioned. I would not be so happy if I were publicly corrected for something that was just a careless mistake or a typographical error, however.

If I think someone may have less than stellar grammar or spelling, I do not correct the person. If the person is someone I consider a peer (another grammar buff), I feel free to engage in what I hope will be a delightful exchange! I never correct out of condescension unless someone has attacked me for something. Sometimes, then, I have been known to add to one of my replies, "...and by the way, there is no such word as ''orientated''; you mean ''oriented".


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I let it go for the most part. I will correct under the following circumstances though:

1. It is a good friend, we are alone, and it might be embarrassing for her/him in the future to keep saying it.
2. It is for work, school, an invitation, etc. Basically something that will be released publicly and could make the person look stupid.

I get really annoyed though when people think they are holier-than-thou and correct others in normal conversations. Unnecessary IMO. It is just a power play.
 
Date: 6/17/2009 8:43:05 AM
Author: Starset Princess
My boss (the prez) is the worst at pronouncing words correctly and I don''t say and thing, but everyone in the company calls them Mr. X-isms...


Actually = Ashually

Regardless = Irregardless

Aghast = Agasp

Aluminum = Al-you-min-ee-um (which is sad because we''re in manufacturing)

Probably = Prolly


Ahhgh I can''t even think of more, but it''s unnerving to listen to.

Oh man, starset, this one drives me CRAZY! My boyfriend always says "irregardless." I''ve told him multiple times it''s incorrect, and always give him crap about it, but he continues to say it. It''s weird, because he''s actually kind of a nerd/snob about things (he''s very smart/educated, is in medical school, etc.) but he just can''t get this word out of his vocabulary. Gah...
 
Date: 6/17/2009 8:43:05 AM
Author: Starset Princess
My boss (the prez) is the worst at pronouncing words correctly and I don't say and thing, but everyone in the company calls them Mr. X-isms...

Actually = Ashually
Regardless = Irregardless
Aghast = Agasp
Aluminum = Al-you-min-ee-um (which is sad because we're in manufacturing)
Probably = Prolly

Ahhgh I can't even think of more, but it's unnerving to listen to.
Just because of the conversation
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, I know a lot of Brits and Aussies that pronounce it that way and have corrected me when I say "A-loo-min-um," which makes me wonder if he's not American. Ladies, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's another way of pronouncing it, in keeping with the British spelling of aluminium. (Seriously. Correct me.)

If I'm wrong, I do like to be corrected. I'm always up for learning something new. Whom trips me up, as does "I feel bad" vs. "I feel badly."

One personal pet peeve is when people pronounce "Le Havre" as "La Harve" assuming that Brett Favre's name trumps all else for the "-vre" sound. Argh. I actually am about to go get corrected on that AGAIN.
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ETA: Obviously I'm one to correct an incorrect correction, but I usually avoid it. I mostly try to point out things that make me go "Hmmmm...." Like now I'm curious about Starset's boss' nationality. (I hope I'm not offending you, Starset.) I think grammar is interesting, and sometimes when somebody corrects me and I think I'm right I will ask them about it because I genuinely want to know the rule that I'm screwing up.
 
I have been tempted to tell a couple of posters here on pricescope that their usage of certain words is incorrect, but have been scared off because I think it would be rude. At the same time, I sometimes think that it''s MORE rude to allow them to continue using that form of the word when I could easily save them a lot of embarrassment by letting them know the rule. So what on earth do you do in that situation? So far I''ve done nothing.

BTW: I know I spell things wrong all the time.
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I''m afraid to say anything here. My grammar online is terrible. My spelling is good. I know my homonyms. I tend to put apostrophes where they don''t belong from internet habit. I wouldn''t do it in something formal.

As for the comment about English spelling, I tutored ESL students way back in the day. Try to explain the spellings for "enough", "cough" and "though". ??? It makes no sense.

Yes I correct my youngest daughter, but my oldest daughter corrects ME! Or I ask my oldest for the proper usage or grammar on things as she''s taken so many grammar courses in university and has become much smarter than me.
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I let it go, unless it''s my dh or kids. (although I would NEVER correct them in front of anyone) My dad used to correct me in front of people when I was young and it drove me nuts.

The ones that really irritate me are incorrect their/there/they''re and your/you''re useage. If english is someone''s second language it''s okay to make those errors, but for native english speakers it''s not that complicated people!

The one that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end is "I seen." Nothing makes a person sound more uneducated than that phrase, in my opinion. There is a poster on PS who shall remain nameless who likes to correct other people''s grammar but then follows that up with an "I seen this" comment and it just makes me shake my head...

My spelling is horrible sometimes, though and I make typos all the time. I wouldn''t be offended if someone corrected me as long as it wasn''t done to make me look bad!
 
Date: 6/17/2009 10:36:30 AM
Author: dragonfly411
I have to say, I would correct the person. I hate grammatical and spelling errors, and I do mean hate them. I tend to be guilty of overusing commas, which I am working on. Otherwise, I am a major sticker, and want to know that I am doing things correctly, and believe firmly in correct education.

It''s sad because there are many places that don''t put any emphasis on this. My SO is a very intelligent individual when it comes to math, business ideas, common sense, street smarts, he knows his history and science information, but his schools did not place any emphasis on learning proper English, and he now has trouble with reading very slowly, and spelling. I''ve been helping him as much as I can, and know that it isn''t any fault of his. He was never taught to enjoy English and enjoy reading.
LOL...did you mean "stickler?"
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Date: 6/17/2009 11:05:07 AM
Author: princesss

Date: 6/17/2009 8:43:05 AM
Author: Starset Princess
My boss (the prez) is the worst at pronouncing words correctly and I don''t say and thing, but everyone in the company calls them Mr. X-isms...

Actually = Ashually
Regardless = Irregardless
Aghast = Agasp
Aluminum = Al-you-min-ee-um (which is sad because we''re in manufacturing)
Probably = Prolly

Ahhgh I can''t even think of more, but it''s unnerving to listen to.
Just because of the conversation
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, I know a lot of Brits and Aussies that pronounce it that way and have corrected me when I say ''A-loo-min-um,'' which makes me wonder if he''s not American. Ladies, please correct me if I''m wrong, but I believe that''s another way of pronouncing it, in keeping with the British spelling of aluminium. (Seriously. Correct me.)

If I''m wrong, I do like to be corrected. I''m always up for learning something new. Whom trips me up, as does ''I feel bad'' vs. ''I feel badly.''

One personal pet peeve is when people pronounce ''Le Havre'' as ''La Harve'' assuming that Brett Favre''s name trumps all else for the ''-vre'' sound. Argh. I actually am about to go get corrected on that AGAIN.
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ETA: Obviously I''m one to correct an incorrect correction, but I usually avoid it. I mostly try to point out things that make me go ''Hmmmm....'' Like now I''m curious about Starset''s boss'' nationality. (I hope I''m not offending you, Starset.) I think grammar is interesting, and sometimes when somebody corrects me and I think I''m right I will ask them about it because I genuinely want to know the rule that I''m screwing up.
You would be correct. My husband hates it when I say aloominum. The word is spelled differently in Oz (and UK, etc) vs the U.S. and I think we each pronounce it correctly based on the accepted spelling.
 
I can't recognize spelling errors for the most part, so I don't really see too many of the errors on this forum that people are talking about. I guess in a way that is kind of good, because I can get to the point without getting distracted.

When I am writing something important, my best friends ask me if I need it looked over, I always say yes. But they don't correct my day to day stuff. They have realized this is not a problem that will be fixed by "correcting" me and it frustrates me more. For work, I have memorized the most common words I use, and that has fixed the problem well enough. I try not to let it get to me, the only time it bothers me is when people use my spelling as a way to judge me when they know my strengths are in other areas.

This got me to thinking, at one point I was almost fluent in Spanish. I did not have any problems spelling, it was a nice change. I guess that is because you can truly sound a word out in Spanish and it is right, but it was a really nice feeling to not have to worry about it so much.
 
Date: 6/16/2009 9:57:25 PM
Author: D&T
I''m terrible at English, it is my second language, however, I always welcome someone to correct me, I have a problem with misusing the correct term or word, so PSer''s please correct me
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I really welcome it, sometimes I feel dumb asking. The word I mis use frequently is Has and Have... I still don''t get it. go figure.
your English is much better than mine.
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Haven
i know you are referring to my terrible spellings and grammers
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i don''t mind if someone corrects my English,English is my second language. humm...come to think of it...i couldn''t read or write Chinese either.
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i''am one of the few PSer that don''t have a college degree
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DFire--I am definitely NOT referring to you at all!

I admire anyone who is bilingual, especially if you post in a second language. I can barely speak Spanish and Hebrew anymore, and I took lessons in both of those languages for over a decade.
 
Yes we say aloo - minium in the UK instead of aloo - minum.
 
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