What are your thoughts on how government is handling COVID-19

[Demon]

I am really proud of our pollies in Oz - they are behaving very well and co-operating. Even Jacinda Ahearn - NZ PM and our Scott Morison are getting on well and they are polar opposite parties and have loads of bad blood over various issues. NZ is almost like a state of Australia.

That's great that you have grownups. We have a president here that's fighting with any governor who isn't thanking him enough for the beautiful job he's doing.

 

[Babyblue033]

NY state is allowing my Son's private pre-k to re-open. They sent an email yesterday asking who wants to send their children. Even though tuition is paid in full we're keeping him home. We're home, we don't "need" to send him to school.

I'm not sure what I would do if my son's preschool (YMCA) reopens. Right now, I don't think I would feel it's safe enough. In a month? I don't know.

With adults you can at least create a more safe environment with specific guidelines, social distancing, washing hands, not touching your face, etc. But none of that works with young kids. AND kids are more likely to either don't show symptoms or get sick, which means they can all bring the virus home to their families.

 

[Dancing Fire]

You and your wife would be in the "as risk" age group not your kids and your grandkids.

We have no choice since we have to babysit the grandkids.

 

[Dancing Fire]

How so? explain that. Trump downplays the virus when he was in FACT getting info that it was very serious, that makes HIM responsible to me at least for the early deaths, HOW did Obama downplay the start of H1N1? (hint: he didn't). So I bet I'll be waiting till doomsday for you to answer.

Ok, got it!. Trump caused 60k deaths and Obama 0.

 

[Dancing Fire]

That's great that you have grownups. We have a president here that's fighting with any governor who isn't thanking him enough for the beautiful job he's doing.

So the governors bears no responsibility only the POTUS? . It is up the governors to decide when to reopen their state.

 

[Demon]

So the governors bears no responsibility only the POTUS? . It is up the governors to decide when to reopen their state.

Oh come on DF. You've surely heard Trump complaining that they aren't thanking him. And of course it's up to the govs to decide when to open, even though Trump claimed he could.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Oh come on DF. You've surely heard Trump complaining that they aren't thanking him. And of course it's up to the govs to decide when to open, even though Trump claimed he could.

Ca. and NY governor was very grateful to Trump.

 

[Demon]

Ca. and NY governor was very grateful to Trump.

And yet he's still fighting with Cuomo.And the governors being grateful doesn't change the fact that he's whining about not being thanked enough.

 

[arkieb1]

We have no choice since we have to babysit the grandkids.

Well hopefully the other members of your family ie your children realise you and your wife are more vulnerable and do everything they can to maintain social distancing and hand washing etc to prevent any of you from getting it.

 

[Dancing Fire]

And yet he's still fighting with Cuomo.And the governors being grateful doesn't change the fact that he's whining about not being thanked enough.

That will never change...R vs D.

 

[Demon]

That will never change...R vs D.

Of course not. But I would like the president not to whine about not being thanked enough.

 

[missy]

And yet he's still fighting with Cuomo.And the governors being grateful doesn't change the fact that he's whining about not being thanked enough.

Yanno, Cuomo should know better. He shouldn't waste any energy arguing (or worse yet mocking) with Trump. It doesn't help anyone. Trump cannot help himself but Cuomo can and should.

After Mocking ‘King’ Trump, Cuomo Says Virus Should Be ‘No-Politics Zone’ (Published 2020)

Gov. Andrew Cuomo attacked the president in a string of television appearances on Tuesday but then pulled back, saying the “president will have no fight with me.”

www.nytimes.com

After Mocking ‘King’ Trump, Cuomo Says Virus Should Be ‘No-Politics Zone’
Gov. Andrew Cuomo attacked the president in a string of television appearances on Tuesday but then pulled back, saying the “president will have no fight with me.”

Hours after comparing President Trump’s daily briefing to a “comedy skit,” Gov. Andrew Cuomo said at his own briefing that he did not want to further engage Mr. Trump.Credit...Gabby Jones for The New York Times

By Luis Ferré-Sadurní and Jesse McKinley

• April 14, 2020
• • 
    

Since the coronavirus began to ravage New York, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo has used a fine mix of outright flattery and back-room diplomacy to draw down a variety of federal support, preaching nonpartisanship while mostly avoiding direct attacks on President Trump.
In a span of about 24 hours this week, however, Mr. Cuomo, more typically known for his bruising political style, appeared to return to his roots.
In a frenzy of television appearances on Tuesday, Mr. Cuomo urged the president to avoid being “dictatorial.” He said on CNN that Mr. Trump’s coronavirus response had been “schizophrenic.” About 30 minutes later on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” he compared the president’s daily briefings to “a comedy skit,” while saying no governor should watch them because “there’s no value in it.”
Mr. Cuomo’s comments were prompted by Mr. Trump’s unsubstantiated claim during a White House news conference on Monday evening that he had “total authority” over the states when it came to reopening the economy.



That claim was quickly rebuked by several governors, including Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland, a Republican who heads the National Governors Association. But it was Mr. Cuomo who used the sharpest language, threatening to undo weeks of diplomacy toward the White House.
Mr. Cuomo’s shift in tone comes at a time when New York’s once-urgent need for immediate resources from the federal government has lessened, with many indicators showing a so-called flattening of the curve in the state.


It also followed the introduction of the governor’s new coalitionwith his counterparts from six neighboring states to draft a plan to reopen the region’s economy — a move that displeased President Trump, whose exasperation grew Tuesday after Mr. Cuomo’s media appearances.
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“Cuomo’s been calling daily, even hourly, begging for everything, most of which should have been the state’s responsibility, such as new hospitals, beds, ventilators, etc.,” the president wrote on Twitter. “I got it all done for him, and everyone else, and now he seems to want Independence! That won’t happen!”



Mr. Trump followed up with another post in which, referring to the film “Mutiny on the Bounty,” he compared the governors’ coalition to mutineers turning on their captain.

But given a chance to respond at his daily news briefing later Tuesday morning, Mr. Cuomo, a third-term Democrat, held back, repeatedly saying that he did not want to argue with Mr. Trump.
“The president was clearly unhappy,” Mr. Cuomo said, noting the “Mutiny on the Bounty” tweet and other remarks by Mr. Trump, who he said “was clearly spoiling for a fight on this issue.”
But Mr. Cuomo said he would not engage further, saying the coronavirus crisis should be a “no-politics zone.”
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“The president will have no fight with me,” he said.
The governor said that he still needed the federal government’s help, particularly as the response begins to shift to restoring economic and social activity.
“In this reopening, we could lose all the progress we made in one week,” he said.
On Tuesday evening, Mr. Trump appeared to reverse course on his claims of absolute authority, saying during a White House news conference that he would allow states to implement their own protocols to reopen the economy.
Addressing Mr. Cuomo directly, he said, “I want him to take his time, do it right and then open New York. I’m not putting any pressure on the governors.”



Asked why he had criticized the president in his spate of morning television interviews, Mr. Cuomo said that he felt it was his duty to correct and rebut the notion that Mr. Trump had unfettered power.
If the president did order the state to reopen, Mr. Cuomo said, “that would be the worst possible thing he could do at this moment, would be to act dictatorial and to act in a partisan, divisive way.”
Indeed, Mr. Cuomo used his briefing to opine on the distinct roles of federal government and states, quoting Alexander Hamilton and citing the principles of the 10th Amendment.
“We don’t have a king in this country; we didn’t want a king,” he said. “So we have a constitution and we elect a president.”
Earlier, Mr. Cuomo, who served in the federal government as the secretary of Housing and Urban Development under President Clinton, also seemed acutely aware of the ability of the federal government to both assist and, potentially, hamstring efforts in New York, even as new coronavirus cases and hospitalizations are starting to ebb.
Mr. Cuomo has been successful thus far in securing cooperation from Mr. Trump, who the governor has said has “delivered for New York,” a sentiment he echoed on Tuesday.
“He is right: I did call and say I need federal assistance,” Mr. Cuomo said, adding, “And I praised him for his actions.”



At the governor’s request, the federal government loosened testing restrictions during the early days of the outbreak, greatly increasing New York’s capacity to test hundreds of thousands of people. It sent thousands of ventilators from the national stockpile to New York.
Last month, the Navy deployed the U.S.N.S. Comfort, a 1,000-bed hospital ship to New York City, and the Army Corps of Engineers sent its personnel to retrofit the Javits Center, a gargantuan convention center in Midtown Manhattan, into a makeshift hospital with thousands of beds for coronavirus patients.
Many of those federal resources, however, appeared more urgent when state officials were citing worst-case forecasts showing New York would need up to 140,000 hospital beds and 40,000 ventilators at the peak of the outbreak.
Instead, the state’s hospitals have been strained, but not overrun.
Still, the one-day death toll rose again on Tuesday, to 778, following two days of declining number of deaths, bringing the statewide death toll to 10,834. More than 200,000 people have been infected with the virus in New York.
Mr. Cuomo acknowledged the daunting challenges faced in reopening society, including ramping up diagnostic testing, cleaning transportation vehicles, stations and public spaces, and tracing and stomping out new outbreaks.
“There’s a lot to do here,” he says. “The states cannot do this on their own.”

 

[Demon]

Yanno, Cuomo should know better. He shouldn't waste any energy arguing (or worse yet mocking) with Trump. It doesn't help anyone. Trump cannot help himself but Cuomo can and should.

After Mocking ‘King’ Trump, Cuomo Says Virus Should Be ‘No-Politics Zone’ (Published 2020)

Gov. Andrew Cuomo attacked the president in a string of television appearances on Tuesday but then pulled back, saying the “president will have no fight with me.”

www.nytimes.com

Can't read it. I guess I've used up my monthly freebies. Cuomo shouldn't engage, but I understand his frustration.

 

[missy]

Can't read it. I guess I've used up my monthly freebies. Cuomo shouldn't engage, but I understand his frustration.

I copied and pasted it for you.

 

[Demon]

I copied and pasted it for you.

Yes, you did, thanks! I just saw the "click to expand" and took it for quoting someone else's post.

I really can't get too mad at Cuomo. It would have been nice if he had not gone on the talk shows and complained about Trump. But I get his frustration. Testing capability isn't what it should be, having to fight for ventilators, etc. I imagine I would have reacted much worse, much sooner.

 

[missy]

Yes, you did, thanks! I just saw the "click to expand" and took it for quoting someone else's post.

I really can't get too mad at Cuomo. It would have been nice if he had not gone on the talk shows and complained about Trump. But I get his frustration. Testing capability isn't what it should be, having to fight for ventilators, etc. I imagine I would have reacted much worse, much sooner.

Yes I understand it. But Trump is a ticking time bomb. He must be handled with kid gloves. And Cuomo is smarter than that. But yeah he’s human. Still his job has to be protecting the people as best he can and sparring with Trump is just not smart. Trump is vindictive and small minded and ill behaved.

 

[Demon]

Yes I understand it. But Trump is a ticking time bomb. He must be handled with kid gloves. And Cuomo is smarter than that. But yeah he’s human. Still his job has to be protecting the people as best he can and sparring with Trump is just not smart. Trump is vindictive and small minded and ill behaved.

I agree with all you said. Has to be exhausting though, trying to keep a lid on the virus, trying to get supplies, and having to baby Trump all at the same time.

 

[missy]

I agree with all you said. Has to be exhausting though, trying to keep a lid on the virus, trying to get supplies, and having to baby Trump all at the same time.

I think anyone who wants to be in politics has to be just a little (at least) bit crazy to begin with lol. And yeah exhausting to the max when there’s a pandemic.

 

[MaisOuiMadame]

I think anyone who wants to be in politics has to be just a little (at least) bit crazy to begin with lol.

Word, Missy!!

 

[Snowdrop13]

I can‘t believe you have protestors shouting things like “your health does not supersede my rights” and “if you want communism go to China”!!!!

 

[NonieMarie]

They are the ones that have been incited by social media, probably by a foreign power, and it doesn't help Trump is saying stupid crap.
I watched the latest briefing from beginning to end. Our president is a liar and narcissist. Why are people, including my mother, still making excuses for him? I'm trying so hard to stay sane.

 

[missy]

They are the ones that have been incited by social media, probably by a foreign power, and it doesn't help Trump is saying stupid crap.
I watched the latest briefing from beginning to end. Our president is a liar and narcissist. Why are people, including my mother, still making excuses for him? I'm trying so hard to stay sane.

It's very hard to watch. I don't understand why people are still defending Trump. He is a liar. He is a narcissist. He is malignant in so many ways. I mean no disrespect to those who still support him but I would appreciate insight into why they do. I genuinely don't understand. Maybe their insight will help me understand. No, they don't owe me anything but if they were so willing I would love to get their POV.

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

I am really proud of our pollies in Oz - they are behaving very well and co-operating. Even Jacinda Ahearn - NZ PM and our Scott Morison are getting on well and they are polar opposite parties and have loads of bad blood over various issues. NZ is almost like a state of Australia.

you mean you guys being the west island of NZ

do you by any chance want to swap ...?

ive been happy enough with her response to the crisis all be it slightly late but she is listening to the same advisors that would be advising a national govt
our lock down is stricter than yours and has been extended to this time next week when we will go to alert level 3
an opposition MP described alert level 3 as like alert level 4 but with KFC

im happy we will stay in lock down till after ANZAC day weekend
this is what she had to say regarding Anzac day

And so, this weekend, ANZAC weekend, enjoy the company of your bubble, stay local, and reflect on the amazing sacrifice of our forebears.

Decades ago they came together in the most testing of circumstances half a world away and helped forge who we are today. It was a very different battle than the one we are in now, but the character of who we are as a country remains exactly the same.

So please, stay strong, stay home, be kind. And let’s finish what we started"


this is what alert level 3 will be like


1. Stay home. If you are not at work, school, exercising or getting essentials, then you must be at home, the same as at Level 4.

2. Work and learn from home if you can. We still want the vast majority of people working from home, and children and young people learning from home. At-risk students and staff should also stay at home, and they will be supported to do so. Early learning centres and schools will physically be open for up to Year 10 for families that need them.

3. Make your business COVID-19 safe. COVID-19 has spread in workplaces, so the quid pro quo of being able to open is doing it in a way that doesn’t spread the virus. Important industries like construction, manufacturing and forestry will be able to open, as will retail so long as it is contactless retail.

4. Stay regional. You can exercise at parks or beaches within your region, but the closer to home the better. Activities must be safe – keep 2 metres away from anybody not in your bubble. Make minimal trips.

5. Keep your bubble as small as possible. If you need to, you can expand your bubble a small amount to bring in close family, isolated people or caregivers.

6. Wash your hands often with soap. Then dry them. Cough into your elbow.

7. If you’re sick stay at home and seek advice from your GP or Healthline about getting a test. And quickly. There is no stigma to COVID-19. None. We will only be successful if everyone is willing to play their part in finding it wherever it is.


ive thought Mr Morrison is getting better as he goes along so im still happy to swap out the 'pretty communist' or Morrison

for economic recovery we need a national govt and luckily we have elections latter this year

stay safe over there, i personally think we are both only in a relatively good position due to geography and the tiny bit of time that brought us

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

I can‘t believe you have protestors shouting things like “your health does not supersede my rights” and “if you want communism go to China”!!!!

exactly
im the most right wing person i know (i came out of the womb that way) yet im completly towing the line and doing what the pretty communist (the PM) is telling me to do because she has the advisors and experts, not me.
she also has a mum & dad, and a little baby

i mean i do raise my eyebrows at certain things but loss of personal freedom is only temporary? so no one else in my country dies

for me its that simple and i don't want anybody else lossing their grandma or grandad and if that means we have to all star at home another week then so be it
we will pick up all the pieces of the broken economy when we are all safe

 

[Tekate]

Not quite, Trump caused basically EARLY deaths didn't he say this:

February 10: Trump says without evidence that the coronavirus "dies with the hotter weather"

February 24: Trump tweeted: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA."

February 25: A senior White House official falsely claims the virus has been "contained"

February 26: Trump baselessly predicts the number of US cases is "going very substantially down" to "close to zero"

Okay this is just some of the dumb sh-- he said in FEBRUARY. it goes on and on but you get the gist IF you haven't read all about his BS statements.

Obama:

Obama Declares H1N1 a National Emergency
by Peggy Peck, Executive Editor, MedPage Today October 24, 2009

Trump’s H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic Spin

In tweets and other appearances, President Donald Trump has repeatedly compared his response to the new coronavirus with President Barack Obama’s handling of the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic. But Trump’s information is frequently incorrect or misleading -- and the two viruses are very different.

www.factcheck.org

Read the above and check FACTS.

Ok, got it!. Trump caused 60k deaths and Obama 0.

 

[Calliecake]

@Dancing Fire, Trump had the perfect opportunity to become a decent president with this crisis. All he had to do was step up, take responsibility for not taking this seriously at first, unite the country by becoming a president to all, enact the defense production act when It was clear we had hot spots. Had he put politics aside and helped all governors get what they asked for help, stopped the childish comments and name calling, he would have been respected. Of course there would have been problems, lessons learned and things would not have gone perfectly, but he would have gained respect for his handling of pandemic.

Instead Trump chose to deny responsibility, lie to the country, belittle governors on Twitter, not enact the defense production act immediately, not wear a mask when the scientists and doctors were telling us we need them, encourage anti shutdown protests, and incite violence. At a time when the country needed a president to unify the country, he once again chooses to try to divide. It just isn’t in him to be a decent human being. Every American should be disgusted by this.

We are in the depths of this crisis. We don’t even have adequate testing and this President is still trying to create chaos.

 

[MJ_Mac]

@Daisys and Diamonds - You have no problem calling the Australian PM by his name but yet you call your own New Zealand PM "the pretty communist". I hope you realize how demeaning and sexist this sounds.

 

[AGBF]

I can‘t believe you have protestors shouting things like “your health does not supersede my rights” and “if you want communism go to China”!!!!

These protests did not begin until Trump encouraged (and probably engineered) them. They are not spontaneous. In the old days we would have said they were caused caused by "outside agitators". I bet Trump is busing in his organizers to every state where there there are protests. If you read the polls 58% of the American people fear going too quickly on"opening" the American economy. And why wouldn't they? We are still dropping in droves! Nothing has improved. Only the general sitting behind the lines is willing to send out the foot soldiers to be killed en masse.

 

[Demon]

These protests did not begin until Trump encouraged (and probably engineered) them. They are not spontaneous. In the old days we would have said they were caused caused by "outside agitators". I bet Trump is busing in his organizers to every state where there there are protests. If you read the polls 58% of the American people fear going too quickly on"opening" the American economy. And why wouldn't they? We are still dropping in droves! Nothing has improved. Only the general sitting behind the lines is willing to send out the foot soldiers to be killed en masse.

Yep. The protest in Austin was organized by Infowars (Alex Jones).

 

[AGBF]

Yep. The protest in Austin was organized by Infowars (Alex Jones).

And I bet any good journalist could trace Trump into every state where there was a protest. One state doesn't show the pattern of ongoing interference; it would only show that there was a catalyst for the protests, but then they "took off". And I do not believe that for one second. Too many Americans have a healthy fear of dying from covid-19. If there are going to be protests, they have to be constantly encouraged. Trump must have a well paid cadre of tough operatives out there.