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Mreader

Mreader

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Mine is an unpopular one. While her behavior seems “gauche” - she says “you took it from me; it was in my hands”. In the vid the guy walks several rows over the grab it. I think he grabbed it from her hands.

But bc he gave it to his kid, the internet is crucifying her and now the Karen narrative (which I hate that term btw) is running rampant. One poor lady was identified as the “Phillies Karen” and had to issue a statement that she wasn’t that person bc she was getting harassed.

If the guy had just taken it away and no kid was involved, the narrative would have probably been that he was the bully.

I just feel this incident is very different from the hat snatching thing that happened last week.

Any-hoo it’s why I really hate the internet sometimes.

Discuss!
 
It does look like he grabbed it from her hand, but hard to tell since I couldn't really see either of their hands. If it was in her hand, then I think he was in the wrong, of course. I guess though, I wonder how important a baseball is that you would then take it away from the little boy. I am obviously not enough of a fan to have cared that much, but may have approached the father and said something to him about ripping it out of my hand being wrong, but that I would leave it with his child.
 
I agree with @Lookinagain . Typical entitled man storms over to claim the ball, then smugly hands it to his son, acting the hero.

I would've taken him aside and let him know in strong language what an ass he was. But because the kid already had it, I wouldn't have asked for it back.

Just last week, I reprimanded a man for zooming by and almost ripping off my car door as I was exiting my car in a parking lot. I don't take crap from entitled men.
 
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Lookinagain said:
It does look like he grabbed it from her hand, but hard to tell since I couldn't really see either of their hands. If it was in her hand, then I think he was in the wrong, of course. I guess though, I wonder how important a baseball is that you would then take it away from the little boy. I am obviously not enough of a fan to have cared that much, but may have approached the father and said something to him about ripping it out of my hand being wrong, but that I would leave it with his child.
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100% - this is what I mean by her being gauche but it gets on my nerves that the entire internet is trolling her - like I do not think I've seen one comment about how the guy was a jerk. It kind of amazes me.
 
It's unfortunate that the video doesn't clearly show if he took it out of her hands or not. If it did show that, I think that there would be less outrage, but I do think many would still think she should have let the boy have it, again, after reaming the father out. I would have been angry so don't know if I would have polite enough to take him aside and may have just let my anger take over and do it in front of the son.
 
Lookinagain said:
It's unfortunate that the video doesn't clearly show if he took it out of her hands or not. If it did show that, I think that there would be less outrage, but I do think many would still think she should have let the boy have it, again, after reaming the father out. I would have been angry so don't know if I would have polite enough to take him aside and may have just let my anger take over and do it in front of the son.
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The reason I think it was in her hands is that she says clearly in the video "you took it from me; it was in my hands".

Now I know that people obviously do not always tell the truth, but they do tend to be more truthful in the heat of the moment when they are letting their emotions overtake them.

But yes, I wish we could have seen it clearly.
 
If she never had it in her hands (and I do not believe that she did) and demanded it back from the dad, is she a jerk? I'd say so. Is being a jerk in this manner worth the hell that the Internet is raining down on her? I emphatically do NOT think so. Enough is enough people.

Edited to add: if she did have it in her hands and demanded it back from the dad after he gave it to a kid, is she still a jerk? Perhaps, but clearly less so than in the scenario where she never had it in her hands. When a ball is bouncing around the stands (as I think it appears this one was), all is fair game in terms of who gets to end up with it. I have no issue with the dad running over from 10 seats away to try to get it if it was bouncing on the ground.
 
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Unfortunately we'll never really know if it was in her hands or not. She says it was, and I'm sure he will say it wasn't.
 
He's an *******. No matter what his reasoning it was wrong. In her hands or not, he was NO WHERE near there and he literally snatched it out from under her. But of course, he's an entitled man and so no one is holding him accountable. It's the woman's fault. Because she's supposed to bend, to accommodate, to submit. I hate it.
 
Gypsy said:
He's an *******. No matter what his reasoning it was wrong. In her hands or not, he was NO WHERE near there and he literally snatched it out from under her. But of course, he's an entitled man and so no one is holding him accountable. It's the woman's fault. Because she's supposed to bend, to accommodate, to submit. I hate it.
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Well I am glad I found my people! LOL. I swear you cannot find anyone saying this online! It astounds me. And it kind of makes me want to barf that everyone is covering it - even the NBC nightly freaking news - and acting as if the dad is some sort of saint. It's great that they gave the kid a bat and now he's getting tix to the series and it's becoming a whole thing and I'm just shaking my head wondering why nobody is calling him an A-hole.

Also we need to retire "Karen". I feel so sorry for people who were born with that name.
 
Gypsy said:
He's an *******. No matter what his reasoning it was wrong. In her hands or not, he was NO WHERE near there and he literally snatched it out from under her. But of course, he's an entitled man and so no one is holding him accountable. It's the woman's fault. Because she's supposed to bend, to accommodate, to submit. I hate it.
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Have you been to an MLB game? What he did in terms of going over to where the ball landed does not make him an ass. It makes him a typical MLB fan (male or female). He didn't run over other people, he ran past empty seats to try to pick up a ball that seems to have landed on the ground.

I think this whole "another entitled man" argument is really taking this way too far. No one attending an MLB game should have an expectation that if a ball lands in their general area they are entitled to it. What do you want him held accountable for if he, in fact, did not take it out of her hands?

When there is no clear claim to the item I'm all for people doing what they can to put themselves in the right place at the right time.
 
Daily Mail has a story on this right now titled “Phillies Fan Sparks Outrage”. It really plays up sympathy for the man and makes the woman look bad. He supposedly gave the ball back to the woman. Please Google Daily Mail and read the story Mreader. I’d love to know your thoughts after reading the article. His son ended up with a signed bat in the end and got to meet the baseball star Bader. The article talked up the man being a good father trying to get a ball for his son and how he got caught up in the heatof the moment,
 
Calliecake said:
Daily Mail has a story on this right now. It really plays up the sympathy for the man and makes the woman really look bad. He supposedly gave the ball back to the woman. Please Google Daily Mail and read the story Mreader. I’d love to know your thoughts after reading the article. His son ended up with a signed bat in the end and got to meet the baseball star Bader. The article really played up he was a good father trying to get a ball for his son.
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Yes Calliecake I know that he gave back the ball and the whole nine yards with the bat and the kid meeting the star etc etc. The fact that he gave back the ball kind of makes me think he did yank it out of her hand. I think that is the crux of the whole thing about whether or not she had it in her hands - again the footage is unclear. But it just annoys me that every single outlet from tabloid ( I cannot trust the Daily Maol lol) to "objective" journalism is playing it up in this way.
 
adlgel said:
Have you been to an MLB game? What he did in terms of going over to where the ball landed does not make him an ass. It makes him a typical MLB fan (male or female). He didn't run over other people, he ran past empty seats to try to pick up a ball that seems to have landed on the ground.

I think this whole "another entitled man" argument is really taking this way too far. No one attending an MLB game should have an expectation that if a ball lands in their general area they are entitled to it. What do you want him held accountable for if he, in fact, did not take it out of her hands?

When there is no clear claim to the item I'm all for people doing what they can to put themselves in the right place at the right time.
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I've been to several. And somehow still managed not to be an *******. Even when the was a ball in my vicinity.

And no the entitled man narrative is not taking it too far. It's just fact. Most men are entitled, many without realizing it, but the worst of them in this country are white. I say that about to marry a white man, who also agrees with me .
 
adlgel said:
Have you been to an MLB game? What he did in terms of going over to where the ball landed does not make him an ass. It makes him a typical MLB fan (male or female). He didn't run over other people, he ran past empty seats to try to pick up a ball that seems to have landed on the ground.
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What is interesting is as I was reading about this (wasting too much time lol) there were a lot of opinions about MLB "etiquette" I guess and lots of people were saying that if you catch a ball, give it to the nearest kid. So I suppose that is a thing? I did not know that. One commenter said that once at a game she was annoyed bc she caught a foul ball and was told she should give it to a kid next to hear, and said kid was zoned out on his ipad. Anyway I guess that's one reason why people are so up in arms? I have a child; I would not expect someone who legit had their hands on the ball to turn it over the the nearest kid.

I thought it was crappy to double down and demand it back once she saw it was a child who had it. But again, the media is portraying her as a total jerk and the guy as a dad hero and it just rubs me the wrong way.
 
I think she probably had it in her hands. With no clear video there is no way to know for sure. She said right away he took it from her hands so I tend to believe her. From the article, I tend to think even the father knew he was being a jerk and that is why he kept saying he only did it for his kid. He also said he “jumped out of his skin” when she confronted him. I read that as how dare a woman confront him. I would have just given the ball to kid if I were the woman.

ETA: I just now noticed there is a picture of her waving her finger at him which isn’t a good look. It would appear they both did some things in anger. This should have been a two minute exchange and never even made the internet. I tend to believe she had the ball in her hands before all this started.
 
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His movements in the video make me believe someone else had their hands on the ball, as he looks to grab and pull hard to get the ball away. The fact that he hands it to his kid doesn’t change that. Maybe she was going to bring it home to her child? I don’t know. I give her credit for confronting a rude man.

I am also sick of the “Karen” phrase. Do we have a word/name for the guy who snatched the hat out of the kid’s hands at the tennis match? I don’t think so. As women we need to not join in on this vilifying of strong women.
 
Also, I promise you I’m not illiterate. I just saw all the typos in my post. I do a lot of talk to text and my vision is not what it used to be! Gah!
 
Mreader said:
Also, I promise you I’m not illiterate. I just saw all the typos in my post. I do a lot of talk to text and my vision is not what it used to be! Gah!
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No apologies necessary. I do the same.
 
I don't even know why anyone wants these baseballs. Unless it is some key homerun that wins the World Series, or pennant by some baseball icon etc.... these balls just go home and get dumped in the garage until they are lost or thrown out. Kids will find it novel....for a minute and a half, but still. I think they were both wrong in different ways, but I abhor the obvious misogyny in the bashing of the woman only.
 
RMOO said:
His movements in the video make me believe someone else had their hands on the ball, as he looks to grab and pull hard to get the ball away. The fact that he hands it to his kid doesn’t change that. Maybe she was going to bring it home to her child? I don’t know. I give her credit for confronting a rude man.

I am also sick of the “Karen” phrase. Do we have a word/name for the guy who snatched the hat out of the kid’s hands at the tennis match? I don’t think so. As women we need to not join in on this vilifying of strong women.
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I believe the male equivalent of a Karen is a Chad.
 
They are going after wrongly identified women to try and get this woman fired.
For a ball at a game.

My opinion? Misogyny unleashed. Burn the witch!!1!!!!!! Find her, get her! and worse.
Millions of men are having a field day saying terrible things all over the world. We are out of control with the social media overreaction.

For a ball at a game.
 
I saw comments on Twitter that talked about the rules - it’s the person who takes control of the ball, even in a scramble, who is entitled to the ball. That’s how these things work.

The woman thought it was her ball because it came to her vicinity. The person who grabbed it took control of the ball. The woman seems to be mentally deranged by confronting a father with a child, and making his kid give back their ball. What’s the point of taking back a ball that you think came to your area, if you take it from a kid?

De-escalation was correct, and likely prevented physical violence. “ The Dad did the right thing. You don’t argue with crazy. You just move it along and let karma do its thing.”

“ The ball is fair game until it's in someone's hands. Even putting your foot on it doesn't make it yours. There is no safe-space rule.” Eg it’s not a polite boundaries game. Male rules not female. It’s the buck it up game. And, male rules call for prioritizing the continuation of the love for the game into the future. After claiming the ball loudly and celebrating obnoxiously, you always give it to a kid. This woman just doesn’t understand the rules of the game. Karma will prevail, but I doubt someone like her will ever learn!
 
LightBright said:
I saw comments on Twitter that talked about the rules - it’s the person who takes control of the ball, even in a scramble, who is entitled to the ball. That’s how these things work.

The woman thought it was her ball because it came to her vicinity. The person who grabbed it took control of the ball. The woman seems to be mentally deranged by confronting a father with a child, and making his kid give back their ball. What’s the point of taking back a ball that you think came to your area, if you take it from a kid?

De-escalation was correct, and likely prevented physical violence. “ The Dad did the right thing. You don’t argue with crazy. You just move it along and let karma do its thing.”

“ The ball is fair game until it's in someone's hands. Even putting your foot on it doesn't make it yours. There is no safe-space rule.” Eg it’s not a polite boundaries game. Male rules not female. It’s the buck it up game. And, male rules call for prioritizing the continuation of the love for the game into the future. After claiming the ball loudly and celebrating obnoxiously, you always give it to a kid. This woman just doesn’t understand the rules of the game. Karma will prevail, but I doubt someone like her will ever learn!
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I am inclined to think, based on how events went down, that is was in her hand.

I still fail to understand the rationale of “you must give it to a kid”.

Is your reply a compilation of quotes @LightBright ? I can’t tell.
 
Mreader said:
I am inclined to think, based on how events went down, that is was in her hand.

I still fail to understand the rationale of “you must give it to a kid”.

Is your reply a compilation of quotes @LightBright ? I can’t tell.
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I quoted the comments from men that aren’t mine, off of Twitter and summarized the general sentiment from the side I agree with.

To me, baseball is a noble sport. A grown woman taking the ball back from a kid, whose father got that ball for him by following the rules, is a disgrace. The rules are, no one is obligated to defer to someone who drops a ball that they don’t hold securely in a scramble. Video shows she never even dropped it, she never touched it (people claim). The person who first possesses the ball (holds the ball securely) gets the ball. Even then, fans generally give it to the nearest kid, “unless they are sore losers or big babies.” (my quote)

AI

“For Fans
Ownership: If a ball goes into the spectator area, the fan who first possesses it becomes the owner.
Safety First: Fans should prioritize their safety and the safety of those around them, especially children.
No Interference: Do not reach over fences, railings, or into the stands to catch a ball.
No Shoving: Avoid pushing or shoving other fans to get a ball.
Etiquette: It's considered good practice to give a ball to a nearby child, though not required. “
 
I think it was in her hand. It did look like he made a motion that appeared to be pulling at something. But it is hard to tell. I would think if it wasn't in her hands but merely at her feet, she wouldn't have stormed over and asked for it back. Unless she really is some kind of nut.

But I don't understand this quote:

And, male rules call for prioritizing the continuation of the love for the game into the future

I know some female baseball fanatics and don't understand why only males would prioritize continuation of the love of the game.
 
Lookinagain said:
I think it was in her hand. It did look like he made a motion that appeared to be pulling at something. But it is hard to tell. I would think if it wasn't in her hands but merely at her feet, she wouldn't have stormed over and asked for it back. Unless she really is some kind of nut.
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This.
 
And, male rules call for prioritizing the continuation of the love for the game into the future
It has something to do with this...

Interesting little tidbit about the 'nobility' of baseball:
Only one person has struck out both Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig in the same exhibition.
A 17 year old girl named Jackie Mitchell. One of the first professional female pitchers. The commissioner voided her contract over it.
Said women couldn't play, 'too strenuous'.
They forced her out, banned her, others tried to say it was a hoax and a stunt(where have we heard that before?) and disparaged her for years.

So you see, it has to be 'male rules', because when it's fair play?
Jackie Mitchell might show up.
 
Calliecake said:
Daily Mail has a story on this right now titled “Phillies Fan Sparks Outrage”. It really plays up sympathy for the man and makes the woman look bad. He supposedly gave the ball back to the woman. Please Google Daily Mail and read the story Mreader. I’d love to know your thoughts after reading the article. His son ended up with a signed bat in the end and got to meet the baseball star Bader. The article talked up the man being a good father trying to get a ball for his son and how he got caught up in the heatof the moment,
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the daily mail has really turned to sh*t, i would not beleave their current narratiive
 
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