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I''m happy to say that all of you were right and I had almost no reason to be so terrified of "the talk".

I wanted to wait a little longer but just couldn''t after we found out at Easter dinner that his cousin is starting to look to buy a house with his girlfriend and they plan to get engaged before the purchase, so that would be this summer. They are much younger than us and have been dating less time than we have so of course I was a bid upset. I''m happy for them, obviously, b/c they are a wonderful couple and wish them all the happiness in the world it''s just the timing made me a little sad.

So when we talked about their engagement he said he and guys in general never really thought about things like that. Later I told him I wanted to talk to him and I wanted him to think about the things he never thought about. Basically he said what I thought he would say which was that he had thought about it a little, that he didn''t even want to imagine living without me so he knew he wanted to marry me but he''s still working on the problems most guys have with that whole idea (like never having sex with anyone else ever again and becoming a boring married man etc.), which I knew but he does seem to be getting over those.... slowly.

I tried to make sure he knew the last thing I wanted to do was rush him I just wanted to know what he thought and what kind of time-line he had in his mind so we would be on the same page. I knew before and believe in my heart it will happen I just wanted to have an idea of when so when everyone asks me, and they will, I don''t torment myself. I have to admit I did cry and I know it made him feel horrible but I''m just an emotional person and I think I was crying more b/c I was embarrassed that he saw me so emotional about all this.

He admitted that he thought he should wait until after his sister''s wedding (I had guessed he would think that) b/c she often feels like he takes the spotlight all the time, and getting married is a huge thing for her so he wants to just let her have the spotlight throughout this time. I do understand that, and I think it''s very sweet of him that he''s being so thoughtful of his sister''s feelings. Although I do think it''s kinda silly with him being a guy I''m sure him getting engaged would not steal her thunder and she would be very happy for him, but if he wants to wait I support him in that. Her wedding is in October, 7 months away, and when he realized how long their engagement really will be (15 months I think) he knew that was a very long time wait on the side-lines. He did say he didn''t want to have a long engagement, he wanted 2 months (LOL) I told him as long as we could plan what we wanted I am all for a short engagement but I thought 4-6 months was more realistic.

He said he''s just a horrible procrastinator (which is true) and for something that is this scary for him and this important he has to make sure it''s right. He said he''s not good at planning things and he would want the ring and the proposal to be just perfect so it would take time and I can''t argue with that. I did tell him however that it didn''t matter how he proposed that I would love it. I don''t want him to worry about getting the ring right so maybe I will make a ring book for him, but not for a few months b/c I want to respect his decision not to steal focus from his sister.

So it looks like I''ll be on the list for at least the next 6-8 months, but I feel so much better knowing that he wasn''t thinking more like 1-2 years. I don''t have to torture myself anymore I can just relax and enjoy being with him. I do feel like we needed to have this talk to plant the idea in his head or at least bring it forward a bit, so I''m so glad we talked.

Thanks ladies for leading me in the right direction on this one!
 
Yay KCCute! I''m glad the talk went well... I know 6-8 months is a long time to wait, but that''ll give you more time to research a ring you love! I think that''s very kind of the two of you to go so far to protect his sister''s feelings. Right now it may seem unfair, but in the long run -- you may have a better relationship with your (future) sister-in-law because of it.
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Date: 3/24/2008 10:45:52 AM
Author: patient1
Yay KCCute! I''m glad the talk went well... I know 6-8 months is a long time to wait, but that''ll give you more time to research a ring you love! I think that''s very kind of the two of you to go so far to protect his sister''s feelings. Right now it may seem unfair, but in the long run -- you may have a better relationship with your (future) sister-in-law because of it.
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Thanks patient1!

Oh absolutely! His sister is so important to him and she''s a great lady so I wouldn''t want to cause any undue drama and if he thinks it''s best to wait then 6-8 months really is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Now I think I just need to help him as much as he''ll let me so he''s not stressed out about the whole ring thing. I know he''ll want to save up a little more before he shops, but I''d like to plant the idea that it''s okay for him to research and buy the ring before her wedding. I don''t think he knows how long it can take and I don''t want him to feel like he should rush out as soon as she''s married and buy a ring.

All in all I think we had a wonderful talk.
 
Glad that your talk went well. That time will fly by!
 
Date: 3/24/2008 10:19:55 AM
Author:KCCutie
he''s still working on the problems most guys have with that whole idea (like never having sex with anyone else ever again and becoming a boring married man etc.), which I knew but he does seem to be getting over those.... slowly.
That above comment really disturbs me. I think your BF should seek some counseling and get over himself. I hate that ridiculous mentality. It''s the same bachelor party = last night of freedom BS. Being married is awesome. If things get stale or boring, it''s because two people allow that to happen, not because they''re "married"...
 
Date: 3/24/2008 12:30:09 PM
Author: surfgirl

Date: 3/24/2008 10:19:55 AM
Author:KCCutie
he''s still working on the problems most guys have with that whole idea (like never having sex with anyone else ever again and becoming a boring married man etc.), which I knew but he does seem to be getting over those.... slowly.
That above comment really disturbs me. I think your BF should seek some counseling and get over himself. I hate that ridiculous mentality. It''s the same bachelor party = last night of freedom BS. Being married is awesome. If things get stale or boring, it''s because two people allow that to happen, not because they''re ''married''...
Ditto. I''d be hurt if my FH said that to me. He said the opposite to me, that he didn''t want to be with anyone else.
 
Date: 3/24/2008 12:30:09 PM
Author: surfgirl
Date: 3/24/2008 10:19:55 AM

Author:KCCutie

he's still working on the problems most guys have with that whole idea (like never having sex with anyone else ever again and becoming a boring married man etc.), which I knew but he does seem to be getting over those.... slowly.

That above comment really disturbs me. I think your BF should seek some counseling and get over himself. I hate that ridiculous mentality. It's the same bachelor party = last night of freedom BS. Being married is awesome. If things get stale or boring, it's because two people allow that to happen, not because they're 'married'...

You're right, but then about 90% of the guys out there need the same counseling. It upsets me a little that he hasn't gotten over that yet but I think he's getting there. I have told him on more than one occasion that 1. he's only been with one woman for the past 2 years and it hasn't killed him yet, and 2. if he became "boring" after we got married I'd be upset, I don't want marriage to change him I want to marry him b/c of who he is now. Each time I tell him this he says he knows that's true but obviously there's a little part of him that is still stuck on it b/c he still brings it up....or maybe he just thinks he's supposed to be stuck on it, who knows.

Maybe I'm way off but I think most guys have these issues (some more than others) and they just eventually get over it and I have faith that he will get over it. I think he knows he needs to work on getting over it in the next 6 months or so. I think if he talked to some happily married guys it would help him, but you know guys just don't talk like girls do.

ETA: Legacy It's not that he says he wants to be with someone else. It's just getting over the fact that he couldn't if he did want to.
 
Date: 3/24/2008 1:04:26 PM
Author: KCCutie


Date: 3/24/2008 12:30:09 PM
Author: surfgirl


Date: 3/24/2008 10:19:55 AM

Author:KCCutie

he's still working on the problems most guys have with that whole idea (like never having sex with anyone else ever again and becoming a boring married man etc.), which I knew but he does seem to be getting over those.... slowly.

That above comment really disturbs me. I think your BF should seek some counseling and get over himself. I hate that ridiculous mentality. It's the same bachelor party = last night of freedom BS. Being married is awesome. If things get stale or boring, it's because two people allow that to happen, not because they're 'married'...

You're right, but then about 90% of the guys out there need the same counseling. It upsets me a little that he hasn't gotten over that yet but I think he's getting there. I have told him on more than one occasion that 1. he's only been with one woman for the past 2 years and it hasn't killed him yet, and 2. if he became 'boring' after we got married I'd be upset, I don't want marriage to change him I want to marry him b/c of who he is now. Each time I tell him this he says he knows that's true but obviously there's a little part of him that is still stuck on it b/c he still brings it up....or maybe he just thinks he's supposed to be stuck on it, who knows.

Maybe I'm way off but I think most guys have these issues (some more than others) and they just eventually get over it and I have faith that he will get over it. I think he knows he needs to work on getting over it in the next 6 months or so. I think if he talked to some happily married guys it would help him, but you know guys just don't talk like girls do.

ETA: Legacy It's not that he says he wants to be with someone else. It's just getting over the fact that he couldn't if he did want to.
I can't believe he said that to you!
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I just went back and read your other posts and was stricken by the fact that he's around 31 years old and (theoretically) six months away from being engaged. I guess you can only wait and see if he "grows out of it" but there's something seriously wrong with this picture. I think you should go to premarital (or couples)counseling to get a better "feel" of the situation and set up some time lines. I'm not sure if I'm getting the warm, settling down vibes from his words. At this point, he would have to convince ME he was ready to commit.
 
Date: 3/24/2008 12:30:09 PM
Author: surfgirl




Date: 3/24/2008 10:19:55 AM
Author:KCCutie
he's still working on the problems most guys have with that whole idea (like never having sex with anyone else ever again and becoming a boring married man etc.), which I knew but he does seem to be getting over those.... slowly.
That above comment really disturbs me. I think your BF should seek some counseling and get over himself. I hate that ridiculous mentality. It's the same bachelor party = last night of freedom BS. Being married is awesome. If things get stale or boring, it's because two people allow that to happen, not because they're 'married'...
THANK YOU for posting that! And, I agree with you! I can't tell you how many of my girlfriends have complained about this mentality. I wish I knew where it came from (I want to blame the Child Man syndrome and Maxim, but I know that's not all it).

For every guy out there who think that or worries that, I want to give them a friend of mine's phone number. My friend is in his 50s, and he's been married to the same woman since he was 19. She was only his second or third girlfriend, by the way. I asked him one time if he ever regretted getting married so young, and he said, "Nope. Sue (his wife) is awesome. She's put up with my sh*t all these years, she stuck by me and gave me two beautiful daughters. Why the hell would I want to look elsewhere? Man, I would NOT want to be one of these young guys, hanging out in bars and sleeping with tons of women. Today's dating scene is disrespectful. Call me old-fashioned, but I have no regrets."

He never wanted to play the field, and he likes being married. I betcha there's lots more out there that feel like he does but don't want to say anything because it's not considered "cool" or "manly" to want to be "tied down." Men even make fun of other men that like being married. I ran into that this weekend, matter of fact. My BF and I went to a very casual, last-minute wedding on Saturday. It was so last minute that we got a phone call, not an invitation. Bride and groom are both Marines who were granted a 3 day leave for Easter, and the parents threw a party together and called a JP so they could get married on leave. The father of the groom is one of my BF's long-time (30+ years) buddies. They and a couple other guys were joking about another friend of theirs who could not come to the wedding. One of the guys said, "Yeah, since he married her and had the kid, he's a prisioner in his own house. He don't go nowhere no more!" And one of the guys piped up with, "Yeah! Cindy's got him on 24/7 Diaper Duty and Honey Do projects." I also heard mention of the "kitty-whipped" description (you know the word -- not appropriate to post here). We're not talking 20-somethings.....we're talking men in their late 40s and early 50s. The guy in question was married previously and got remarried to a much younger woman who got pregnant immediately after their wedding. I overheard this exchange, got really POd and said, "Well, some men aren't overgrown frat boys. Maybe he came to the realization that being in your late 40s, divorced and barhopping like a college boy is sad and boring. Maybe he likes staying home with his wife and child as opposed to partying down with immature yahoos like you guys." I then got a drink and went and stewed. After hearing that commentary -- and realizing my own BF was part of the dialogue -- I needed a few drinks and was none-too-fond of my BF's friends. He could not understand why I wasn't joining in on the conversation and agreeing with them all and spending time instead with Jimmy Beam
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. I was so angry that if there wasn't bar-service there, I would have walked home.

Bridget in Connecticut..
 
You know whats funny about all of this is that there have been studies that have shown that men are much happier married than single and that they are happier than women in marriage in general.

I don''t think you should talk to him anymore about it, honestly. I would think to myself-ok, I laid down the law, it''s up to him now. Give yourself your own deadline and then sit on your haunches. I''ve done a version of this myself, but my timeline is so astronomically long that I don''t even know that it should be considered a timeline. Seriously-Fall 2009 at the moment. Thats for another rendition of "The Talk" if I don''t see progress by then. But lots of things can change between now and then, and I''m not ready for marriage now, and neither is he.

I''m wondering if your BF is....
 
I''m not trying to say that these ideas men have about marriage are right or that I agree, but the truth is they exist and they are pretty prevalent.

I know it seems harsh that he would mention it to me but if he really feels that way I''m glad he''s being honest. I can see how that would sound like a very hurtful comment but I''m sure I didn''t and couldn''t explain the context. I agree that it''s a very immature mindset and he knows this. We even talked about it last night he said that he''s 31 and he should be ready to get married.

Actually (and maybe it''s b/c I love him so much) but he was very sincere about it and I wasn''t hurt by it at all. He isn''t proud of these thoughts and he''s working on getting over them. That''s all I can say. The bottom line is I have never been so happy with anyone else I can''t and don''t want to imagine life with out him and he feels the same about me. So if this is something we have to work out then so be it. I know lots of other guys get past this and he can too.
 
Date: 3/24/2008 4:58:54 PM
Author: FrekeChild
You know whats funny about all of this is that there have been studies that have shown that men are much happier married than single and that they are happier than women in marriage in general.
There''s also a study that says that married men have more sex than single men...
 
Date: 3/24/2008 12:30:09 PM
Author: surfgirl

Date: 3/24/2008 10:19:55 AM
Author:KCCutie
he''s still working on the problems most guys have with that whole idea (like never having sex with anyone else ever again and becoming a boring married man etc.), which I knew but he does seem to be getting over those.... slowly.
That above comment really disturbs me. I think your BF should seek some counseling and get over himself. I hate that ridiculous mentality. It''s the same bachelor party = last night of freedom BS. Being married is awesome. If things get stale or boring, it''s because two people allow that to happen, not because they''re ''married''...
I have to say that this comment rubbed me the wrong way too. Where''s the gratitude and appreciation? Why dwell on something so trivial when he''s got you and all the awesomeness that goes along with that? My fiance is 29, and he''s glad to be done with the whole dating scene. He feels bad for, not envious of, his friends who are still looking.

I wonder if this mentality has something to do with the company a person keeps? Quite a few of FI''s friends are very happily married and regularly express their joy. They are in no way boring!
 
Date: 3/24/2008 10:19:55 AM
Author:KCCutie
he knew he wanted to marry me but he''s still working on the problems most guys have with that whole idea (like never having sex with anyone else ever again and becoming a boring married man etc.), which I knew but he does seem to be getting over those.... slowly.

Honestly...I wouldn''t want to marry a man who had these doubts. My husband, from the beginning, let me know that he wanted ME for the rest of his life and wasn''t at all worried about the fact that I''d be the only/last woman he''d be sleeping with. If he''d had doubts about that...I''d have been offended that he said it and I wouldn''t have married him...probably would have ended the relationship. I hope it works out for you...but I''d seriously question whether those feelings are normal. None of the married men I know had those worries.
 
Date: 3/24/2008 5:26:43 PM
Author: Aloros

Date: 3/24/2008 12:30:09 PM
Author: surfgirl


Date: 3/24/2008 10:19:55 AM
Author:KCCutie
he''s still working on the problems most guys have with that whole idea (like never having sex with anyone else ever again and becoming a boring married man etc.), which I knew but he does seem to be getting over those.... slowly.
That above comment really disturbs me. I think your BF should seek some counseling and get over himself. I hate that ridiculous mentality. It''s the same bachelor party = last night of freedom BS. Being married is awesome. If things get stale or boring, it''s because two people allow that to happen, not because they''re ''married''...
I have to say that this comment rubbed me the wrong way too. Where''s the gratitude and appreciation? Why dwell on something so trivial when he''s got you and all the awesomeness that goes along with that? My fiance is 29, and he''s glad to be done with the whole dating scene. He feels bad for, not envious of, his friends who are still looking.

I wonder if this mentality has something to do with the company a person keeps? Quite a few of FI''s friends are very happily married and regularly express their joy. They are in no way boring!
I think you could be right, I think it has something to do with the company you keep. Maybe it''s a regional thing I don''t know. I do know that he''s not by any means the only guy around here who thinks this way and I know for a fact that several of his friends think this way and that he personally doesn''t know many guys his age that are married and happy about it. All of which are very sad, but unfortuantely true.

No one is perfect. I''m certainly not and it doesn''t bother me that he is not either. He openly admitted that he had these feelings and that he was not proud of them so I know he''s working on it. I personally think it takes a big man to admit something like this to the one you love and I''m not going to throw away an amazing realtionship with a the man I love just becasue he admitted to having thoughts (that while they may not make me feel warm and fuzzy) are truthful and as far as I can tell normal.

I wonder how many guys out there had these thoughts before they got married nad just never said anything about it except to their guy friends? Thoughts like these are echoed and probably perpetuated by the media but they had to start somewhere. Agian I''m not saying they are right but it just seems like guys are told they should feel this way. I can''t judge him for not getting over this sooner b/c if he had he''d proabably be married to someone else and we never would have met.

Sorry if I rambled....
 
Hmmm...I do know some guys who think the way your bf does. They''ve also gotten married. But it doesn''t mean they are happily married. Or ever wanted to get married. Or will remain faithfull. It just means that they were too lazy or scared to get out of their relationships, got married because their girlfriends gave them ultimatums and ended up making huge decisions that were not instinctually right for them, but made the decision anyway because it was easier to stay in the relationship than get out and start all over again.

I also know many men who are happily married because it was something they want to do and don''t have the same issues your bf does. These same men had felt the way your bf did with other women they didn''t end up marrying.

In fact, I was the same as your bf in my previous relationship. I''m now engaged to a man that I feel instinctually is the right fit for me. I was in a very long term (over 7 years) with a wonderful man who did not feel right to me instinctually. He was always the one who wanted to get married, I was always the one holding back. I can attest that I also lamented very much at the time that he would be the last person I''d be with. I felt that way because I always felt I could do "better." I have never felt that with my fiance.

I''m not saying my experience is applicable to your current situation. But I do think that unless you''ve gone through some major issues growing up (e.g. dysfunctional family, death in family at early age), you shouldn''t have to go through therapy to figure out of if you want to get married to someone. You either do or you don''t. I''d suggest your bf, and other men, read the book "Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell. For major decisions like getting married, it shouldn''t take a long time to come to the decision. Your gut will just let you know whether you want to.
 
KC I am so happy that your talk went well and you are feeling better! Enjoy!
 
Date: 3/24/2008 1:04:26 PM
Author: KCCutie

Date: 3/24/2008 12:30:09 PM
Author: surfgirl

Date: 3/24/2008 10:19:55 AM

Author:KCCutie
he's still working on the problems most guys have with that whole idea (like never having sex with anyone else ever again and becoming a boring married man etc.), which I knew but he does seem to be getting over those.... slowly.

That above comment really disturbs me. I think your BF should seek some counseling and get over himself. I hate that ridiculous mentality. It's the same bachelor party = last night of freedom BS. Being married is awesome. If things get stale or boring, it's because two people allow that to happen, not because they're 'married'...
You're right, but then about 90% of the guys out there need the same counseling.
HI:

You can think that if it gives you comfort. It is about as selfish a reply as I ever would have imagined.

Yet, I applaud his honestly; it strongly suggests that he really isn't ready to get married as his feelings on such an important matter in "permanent coupledom" are, still, all about him. Given his statement, is this an issue that "time" can resolve--or what will it "take"?

Sharon
 
Date: 3/24/2008 5:21:09 PM
Author: sunnyd
Date: 3/24/2008 4:58:54 PM

Author: FrekeChild

You know whats funny about all of this is that there have been studies that have shown that men are much happier married than single and that they are happier than women in marriage in general.

There''s also a study that says that married men have more sex than single men...

I''m glad that one didn''t come up in class sunnyd. I would not have felt comfortable listening to a lecture with anything about sex coming from the woman who was teaching the class. She had a tendency to get overly familiar and reveal lots of stuff about her son and her personal life that we REALLY didn''t need to know. I can only imagine where it would have gone if she''d had a sex study to go over.
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Date: 3/24/2008 12:30:09 PM
Author: surfgirl
Date: 3/24/2008 10:19:55 AM

Author:KCCutie

he''s still working on the problems most guys have with that whole idea (like never having sex with anyone else ever again and becoming a boring married man etc.), which I knew but he does seem to be getting over those.... slowly.

That above comment really disturbs me. I think your BF should seek some counseling and get over himself. I hate that ridiculous mentality. It''s the same bachelor party = last night of freedom BS. Being married is awesome. If things get stale or boring, it''s because two people allow that to happen, not because they''re ''married''...

I agree with this statement surfgirl made, and disagree with your blanket statement of "problems most guys have". That is what society has made you think is acceptable, which it is not(not to mention I don''t think it is a majority male view either). In my own opinion, I couldn''t be happier to have found the person I want to spend my whole life with, I couldn''t imagine myself with another person let alone sleeping with someone else. I never want to see/imagine another woman''s face besides my GF. So, no offense to your bf but that is BS. I really don''t think I am an exception to any rules here, but maybe I am just a sucker. If I am in fact a sucker, I would go out on a limb and say my sucker viewpoint is the more correct viewpoint.
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I am not taking personal offense but as a male here I just want you to know I highly doubt 90% of the guys have that view, and if 9/10 guys you have met/been with do, then you are selecting from the wrong group. I am not saying it isn''t a big step and you can''t be nervous about it, but he clearly isn''t ready for it if he is concerned about settling down.

Sorry, just my opinion from the male point of view.

Ben
 
Thanks Ben for putting in a good word for the guys ... putting off commitment because that would mean not being able to screw around anymore (pardon me) is really rather lame and offensive. Then again, it may be better than getting committed and still assuming that it is OK, right?
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It is lame and offensive to her in my opinion which is kind of what I am trying to get at(ie. it is a more serious issue IMO). I do agree it is better to wait if he is having reservations now, but if he doesn''t want to settle down, why would he automatically want to in 6-8months when nothing has changed in terms of him having gone and done whatever he feels he needs to. Obviously I agree he should not get into anything out of convenience and cheat, because cheating is the highest form of disrespect in my opinion and just stems from being a lazy coward and not discussing issues or getting out of your relationship.

Maybe I am way off here, and again I hope/assume your relationship is fine. But having to have "the talk" with a significant other almost sounds like you are needing to convince them. When someone I wanted to spend my life with says they "haven''t really thought about it much" that is a huge red flag. It''s almost like you are negotiating a deal.

Sorry, I don''t mean to sound preachy and act like I know it all and I don''t, most of all about your relationship. Just some of the things I got from your post struck me as odd and I just want people to be happy or possibly avoid an issue that can only be seen from an outside perspective.

Either way, good luck!

Ben
 
I always enjoy when a guy comes on PS and ventures forth into these estrogen laden threads to give his opinion, a feat in and of itself that marvels me!

Ben is right. It''s funny but there''s this silly Wedding Story show on TLC and it''s on during my gym workout and I flipped it on yesterday and it was the day of the wedding and the groom was having brunch with his best man/groomsmen and they were razzing him about possibly crying like a baby when he saw his bride walk down the aisle and one of his buddies said "Hey, just think of baseball scores so you dont bawl.." and the groom turned to the guy and said, "So you think I should be thinking of baseball scores when I''m looking at my bride walk down the aisle to marry me? Yeah, I dont think so..." Not all guys have that marriage=end of my life viewpoint and if yours does, why would you want to marry someone like that?
 
Date: 3/25/2008 12:52:21 PM
Author: surfgirl
I always enjoy when a guy comes on PS and ventures forth into these estrogen laden threads to give his opinion, a feat in and of itself that marvels me!

Ben is right. It''s funny but there''s this silly Wedding Story show on TLC and it''s on during my gym workout and I flipped it on yesterday and it was the day of the wedding and the groom was having brunch with his best man/groomsmen and they were razzing him about possibly crying like a baby when he saw his bride walk down the aisle and one of his buddies said ''Hey, just think of baseball scores so you dont bawl..'' and the groom turned to the guy and said, ''So you think I should be thinking of baseball scores when I''m looking at my bride walk down the aisle to marry me? Yeah, I dont think so...'' Not all guys have that marriage=end of my life viewpoint and if yours does, why would you want to marry someone like that?
How cute is that?! I would have gushed watching. I''m also a sucker for those shows...

Freke...lol yeah luckily this prof didn''t rely on personal experiences during lecture...ew. Her son gave that info up?! Odd.
 
Date: 3/25/2008 1:12:09 PM
Author: sunnyd
Date: 3/25/2008 12:52:21 PM

Author: surfgirl
I always enjoy when a guy comes on PS and ventures forth into these estrogen laden threads to give his opinion, a feat in and of itself that marvels me!

Ben is right. It''s funny but there''s this silly Wedding Story show on TLC and it''s on during my gym workout and I flipped it on yesterday and it was the day of the wedding and the groom was having brunch with his best man/groomsmen and they were razzing him about possibly crying like a baby when he saw his bride walk down the aisle and one of his buddies said ''Hey, just think of baseball scores so you dont bawl..'' and the groom turned to the guy and said, ''So you think I should be thinking of baseball scores when I''m looking at my bride walk down the aisle to marry me? Yeah, I dont think so...'' Not all guys have that marriage=end of my life viewpoint and if yours does, why would you want to marry someone like that?

How cute is that?! I would have gushed watching. I''m also a sucker for those shows...

Freke...lol yeah luckily this prof didn''t rely on personal experiences during lecture...ew. Her son gave that info up?! Odd.
That is so cute!

sunnyd She would talk about everything. Apparently her son WASN''T having sex (why did we need to know that?!) but yet he had girls spending the night over at their house all the time.
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Yeah right he wasn''t having sex. A 17 year old boy that has girls spending the night all the time and he''s not having sex? WHATEVER.

It was bad enough hearing her talk about how she lived in a commune while she was going to graduate school. I can''t imagine breeching the subject of sex.
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Date: 3/25/2008 12:52:21 PM
Author: surfgirl
I always enjoy when a guy comes on PS and ventures forth into these estrogen laden threads to give his opinion, a feat in and of itself that marvels me!


Ben is right. It''s funny but there''s this silly Wedding Story show on TLC and it''s on during my gym workout and I flipped it on yesterday and it was the day of the wedding and the groom was having brunch with his best man/groomsmen and they were razzing him about possibly crying like a baby when he saw his bride walk down the aisle and one of his buddies said ''Hey, just think of baseball scores so you dont bawl..'' and the groom turned to the guy and said, ''So you think I should be thinking of baseball scores when I''m looking at my bride walk down the aisle to marry me? Yeah, I dont think so...'' Not all guys have that marriage=end of my life viewpoint and if yours does, why would you want to marry someone like that?

Alright apparently I''m wrong and not as many guys think this way as I thought, or maybe it''s just that the people in this forum don''t know many that think that way.

I''m not defending this mindset. I think if nothing else it is incorrect to think this way. But I still do think there are a number of guys out there who fall for this lie. I never said there weren''t guys who didn''t think this way, but admittedly my percentages may well have been way off.

Honestly I felt kind of attacked by most of the above comments and I asked my sister if she thought his comments were unusual for guys in general and for him and she agreed with me (and if she disagreed with me she would say so) that most guys think this at some point and then get over it, and that E will get over it.

I know the PSers don''t know my BF and none of you were there when he said this. There was a lot in the way he said it that tells me that he sincerely wants to completely put those thoughts from his mind and I admire him for being so open with me. I won''t stop loving him b/c he has thoughts that other people think are horrible especially when I know he knows those thoughts aren''t true and is working on a solution.

I don''t want to argue. So I''ll just agree to disagree.
 
Oops! I posted this in the the wrong thread at first!

KCCutie, I''m sorry if you felt a bit attacked it the previous posts, I think it just sent up a red flag to the above posters, as it did myself. I do know men who think like your BF does (the majority of my guy friends), however in all honestly I would be seriously concerned if my boyfriend felt that way. In fact I don''t think I would be with him anymore if he said he was concerned that I was going to be the last girl he was ever going to be with. HELLO, I''m awesome you should be happy that you get to be with me forever!
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Actually my BF and I were talking about something similar the other night and I told him after a certain amount of time, if a guy doesn''t know he wants to spend the rest of of his life with you and wants to make sure you are always by his side, then what else is there to do? It''s not going to change after 4 years or 10 years.

I think that you two need to talk about this even if you don''t want to push the situation. If he sees you as being the love of his life then I would think he would be jumping at the chance to be with you everyday for the rest of his life. Maybe there is something other then just the thoughts that society can put into a man''s head that is effecting him.


In the end you know who your boyfriend is and how much he loves you. I think it''s good idea to talk about the topic of marriage again with him, I would hate to see the time that you both discussed come and go only for you to find out that he still isn''t on the same page. That''s why I think it''s a good idea for you to talk about WHY he feels this way. It''s one thing for "all the fellas" to think that marriage is silly, you aren''t wanting to marry "all the fellas" You want to marry the man you love and he should be feeling the sameway. Good luck to you both! I wish you the best. **Hugs**


 
Here''s the thing.... considering the whole conversation I think we still are on the same page.

He did say that he thought we shouldn''t do anything until after his sister''s wedding and had reasons for it which lead me to believe that he thought about that before I even brought it up.

He did say he couldn''t and didn''t want to imagine his life without me. He doesn''t want to lose me. I did cry and he said he didn''t want me to cry over it the fact that waiting was obviously becoming hard for me upset him. He knows that his choices are to marry me or watch me eventually leave and the later of the two terrifies him.

Before we set any kind of time-line I said I just couldn''t wait 2-3 more years, he said in his mind he thought we would be engaged in a year or less. He told me that he wants a short engagement.

I''m not comfortable with bringing the subject up again so soon, but I promise when the subject comes up again (and I''m sure it will) I''ll be sure to get some answers. We did talk about why he feels this way and he has reasons that I don''t feel are appropriate to share here.

Thank you all for your concern and we will seek pre-marital counseling (my parents won''t have it any other way and I know it''s invaluable) but I owe him a little time to let him work on it on his own.

I trust him, I love him and I''m not ready to entertain leaving him over this issue.
 
In any healthy relationship communication will solve all problems and you can work through issues. I hope no one suggested leaving him, and I don't think or mean to imply you should. I just didn't want you to have a warped sense of what you take as acceptable behavior/reasons and that it could be something else. You obviously know your bf, I don't know him or you, I just was going off the first post about what you said and the fact that a "talk" needed to even take place, when I would assume it would be happily and readily talked about. That is all I was trying to point out, but of course every relationship is different.

If it is a small issue obviously giving him time is a good idea and counseling really may not be needed unless other things merit it. However it never hurts to talk to a "professional" , which is essentially what you are doing now by bouncing ideas off of someone and getting objective perspectives on things that facilitates communication.

Either way, I apologize if I came off as attacking, the picture that was painted to me originally didn't seem super healthy which I felt a need to address. Like I said before I don't know either of you and it is hard to convey tone online about a conversation you had with your bf and the whole fear of settling down thing may have been mentioned in passing briefly and not been a focus(good open honesty, still would be a concern to me personally).

Obviously I am no expert, just one man's opinion on it.

I wish you the best and look forward to read the update about you being happily engaged.

Ben
 
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