Well, Now Brett Kavanaugh Can Face His Accuser

[lovedogs]

In that it was so wild that he was totally unable to control himself? What is a boy to do with all of these sluts but sexually assault them?

 

[redwood66]

In that it was so wild that he was totally unable to control himself? What is a boy to do with all of these sluts but sexually assault them?

You don't know this.

 

[the_mother_thing]

“Look, we're not in a court of law,” Hirono said on MSNBC when asked to clarify if she thought Kavanaugh deserved a presumption of innocence. "We're actually in a court of credibility at this point and without having the FBI report or some semblance of trying to get corroboration we are left with the credibility of the two witnesses."

Sen. Mazie Hirono
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...-court-of-law-when-asked-about-presumption-of

 

[House Cat]

Look, I need to clear the air and ask the conservatives point blank..

Is it your belief that a “promiscuous woman” deserves to be sexually assaulted? Do you believe that she’s “asking for it” by putting herself in sexual situations more often than women who aren’t as active?

 

[House Cat]

You don't know this.

I was asking you if you felt that the environment was so wild that he couldn’t control himself. I wasn’t making a statement

 

[redwood66]

Look, I need to clear the air and ask the conservatives point blank..

Is it your belief that a promiscuous woman deserves to be sexually assaulted? Do you believe that she’s “asking for it” by putting herself in sexual situations more often than women who aren’t as active?

No one deserves to be sexually assaulted ever. And frankly it's disgusting that you would insinuate that anyone here thinks that.

 

[House Cat]

No one deserves to be sexually assaulted ever.

Then why are we tearing apart the past of Ms. Ford?

If she was held down with K’s hand over her mouth, while he tried to f*ck her..that was a life changing and frightening event!! We should be rallying around her AS WOMEN, not treating this like some political event.

 

[redwood66]

Then why are we tearing apart the past of Ms. Ford?

If she was held down with K’s hand over her mouth, while he tried to f*ck her..that was a life changing and frightening event!! We should be rallying around her AS WOMEN, not treating this like some political event.

Her own words from 35 years ago are relevant as are his and speak to character. It would be the same in a court of law. It has nothing to with deserving sexual assault.

The parties made this political.

See my edit to you above.

 

[House Cat]

Her own words from 35 years ago are relevant as are his and speak to character. It would be the same in a court of law. It has nothing to with deserving sexual assault.

There you go, behaving slippery as ever. Forget supporting assaulted women, you will support what? Men who assault multiple women.

How decent.

 

[telephone89]

There you go, behaving slippery as ever. Forget supporting assaulted women, you will support what? Men who assault multiple women.

How decent.

Bringing up the fact that she attended a party school or even a single party is exactly this. How DARE a woman attend drinking events! How dare she wear a skimpy outfit! How dare she attend a school where debauchery was going on! NONE of that makes it ok for someone to be assaulted. Thank you for speaking up for these women.

 

[redwood66]

There you go, behaving slippery as ever. Forget supporting assaulted women, you will support what? Men who assault multiple women.

How decent.

I don't even know what this means. I support evidence in order to convict someone either in a criminal or public opinion court. I don't support people based on their gender.

 

[lovedogs]

I don't even know what this means. I support evidence in order to convict someone either in a criminal or public opinion court. I don't support people based on their gender.

IMHO the issue here is whether it's relevant to discuss Ford's behavior or environment. In my view, the only relevant question about Ford's behavior that matters would be stuff related to lying or serial dishonesty. The rest is totally irrelevant, and *sounds* like excuses for why she "deserves" it.

 

[redwood66]

If that's the case then neither environment is relevant.

 

[House Cat]

I don't even know what this means. I support evidence in order to convict someone either in a criminal or public opinion court. I don't support people based on their gender.

When a woman is sexually assaulted, she looks to other women for comfort. She needs support FAR BEFORE anything is proven in a court of law. She needs it from the strong women around her. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

 

[House Cat]

IMHO the issue here is whether it's relevant to discuss Ford's behavior or environment. In my view, the only relevant question about Ford's behavior that matters would be stuff related to lying or serial dishonesty. The rest is totally irrelevant, and *sounds* like excuses for why she "deserves" it.

Yes!

 

[redwood66]

When a woman is sexually assaulted, she looks to other women for comfort. She needs support FAR BEFORE anything is proven in a court of law. She needs it from the strong women around her. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Hopefully she is getting it from the women around her as I am sure she will appreciate it. I have empathy for anyone who is a victim of sexual assault. But I reserve judgment until I hear evidence.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Then why are we tearing apart the past of Ms. Ford?

If she was held down with K’s hand over her mouth, while he tried to f*ck her..that was a life changing and frightening event!! We should be rallying around her AS WOMEN, not treating this like some political event.

That is what the Dems are using her as.

 

[Calliecake]

I couldn’t agree more @House Cat.

@the_mother_thing , Not being snarky, just curious. Have you ever read articles by professionals regarding how the brain processes traumatic events?

I think it’s a pretty safe bet that people who have raped and assaulted women don’t walk around advertising and acknowledging it, nor do they assault 99% of the women they come in contact with. Just because he didn’t assault women coming forward to speak on behalf of his character, doesn’t mean he hasn’t assaulted another woman.

Just the fact the republicans / Kavanaugh / Judge don’t want an FBI investigation or the fact Judge doesn’t want to be questioned under oath seems damning. Trump, McConnell, Hatch and Grassley speaking out against Dr. Ford while completely supporting Kavanaugh before even hearing from Dr. Ford is disturbing.

 

[lovedogs]

I couldn’t agree more @House Cat.

I think it’s a pretty safe bet that people who have raped and assaulted women don’t walk around advertising and acknowledging it, nor do they assault 99% of the women they come in contact with. Just because he didn’t assault women coming forward to speak on behalf of his character, doesn’t mean he hasn’t assaulted another woman.

THIS. One of my former abusers is married with a child (thanks to FB friends for keeping me updated on this *sarcasm since I don't ever want to hear about him*). I would hope that he hasn't done to her what he did to me, but it's irrelevant to his past behavior.

It's the same thing as happens when there's some huge murder/suicide. What to the neighbors always say on TV? They say, "omg, you never would have expected that from *insert name here*. They always seemed so nice/friendly/family oriented/loving".

 

[House Cat]

Hopefully she is getting it from the women around her as I am sure she will appreciate it. I have empathy for anyone who is a victim of sexual assault. But I reserve judgment until I hear evidence.

You only have “empathy” for assault survivors after they’ve gone through your vetting process. No thanks. That form of empathy does more harm than good.

 

[Calliecake]

When a woman is sexually assaulted, she looks to other women for comfort. She needs support FAR BEFORE anything is proven in a court of law. She needs it from the strong women around her. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

@Redwood, Comments you have made in the past and on here suggest women are to blame, without coming right out and saying so. As a few of us here have stated, this isn’t political to us. You’ve made comments on Pricescope that you wouldn’t let your husband have dinner alone with a women. You would need to be there with them. If you really feel this way, the problem is with you and your husband, not the women.

Red, Most of us on here don’t know each other in real life. We only have the words people type on have to go by. You may not feel the way some of your words come across. Maybe House Cat and I are wrong in interpreting them.


On a Happy Note @House Cat Bill Cosby is in jail.

 

[redwood66]

You only have “empathy” for assault survivors after they’ve gone through your vetting process. No thanks. That form of empathy does more harm than good.

What you call a vetting process is the law. Do away with it? No thanks.

 

[House Cat]

What you call a vetting process is the law. Do away with it? No thanks.

It is entirely possible to give empathy to a woman who has been raped before anything has happened in a court room.

 

[redwood66]

It is entirely possible to give empathy to a woman who has been raped before anything has happened in a court room.

And I said I do but you don't like my position on public accusations. Two entirely different things that you can't separate.

 

[OreoRosies86]

It is also possible to say nothing regarding sexual assault if you cannot do so without empathy.

 

[redwood66]

IOW if I don't like what you say you should shut up.

 

[Calliecake]

@redwood66 I think you are missing the point House Cat is trying to make. Other women often are the ones who are awful to women who have been assaulted. In some way it’s as though it has to be something the woman has done, clothes, make up, has a good body, whatever. I guess it is their way of feeling this couldn’t possibly happen to them. Rape is a crime of volence, not sex. I think many women still don’t get that, even today.

@House Cat, I apologize for speaking if this is not what you mean. I know you are fully capable of speaking for yourself.

 

[redwood66]

@redwood66 I think you are missing the point House Cat is trying to make. Other women often are the ones who are awful to women who have been assaulted. In some way it’s as though it has to be something the woman has done, clothes, make up, has a good body, whatever. I guess it is their way of feeling this couldn’t possibly happen to them. Rape is a crime of volence, not sex. I think many women still don’t get that, even today.

@House Cat, I apologize for speaking if this is not what you mean. I know you are fully capable of speaking for yourself.

I am not missing any point. Women do that yes and it is disgusting, but I haven't so don't accuse me of it. I said her own words at the time in 1982 are relevant if his are.

 

[the_mother_thing]

Ok, but how does that mean she deserves to be sexually assaulted?

K’s yearbook is equally irrelevant unless it proves he’s assaulted someone.

Look, I need to clear the air and ask the conservatives point blank..

Is it your belief that a “promiscuous woman” deserves to be sexually assaulted? Do you believe that she’s “asking for it” by putting herself in sexual situations more often than women who aren’t as active?

I haven’t read that anyone has said or believes that (that Ford or anyone ‘deserved’ to be assaulted); no one ‘deserves’ to be assaulted in any way, regardless of whether they are male or female, what they wear, etc. Attending a party where people get mind-blowing drunk does not mean someone should ‘expect’ to be assaulted.

That is not the same as/does not mean that certain environments/circumstances don’t introduce an elevated level of risk of something bad happening. That’s not an ‘excuse’ nor is it condoning that behavior; I just view the two separately (“expectations of” vs. “high risk”). For example, I have no expectation that going to a party should equate to my being assaulted. I expect I would go, have fun, socialize, etc.; however, when certain factors are introduced (alcohol, drugs, etc. ... things that tend to make people lose control of themselves, use poor judgment, make poor decisions, etc.), common sense dictates there is an elevated risk that something bad may happen. That could be an overdose resulting in someone’s death, someone leaving the party and driving drunk, and yes, an assault. None of these are things I choose to witness, be part of, nor be the victim of, so I choose not to attend such environments. For me, it’s a matter of minimizing risk, much like one might avoid unprotected sex, unhealthy behaviors like smoking, casinos if they have a gambling problem, etc. And that’s because I am only in control of MY behavior; not anyone else’s.

Others are free to choose differently; that’s their prerogative. That does not mean I think they should ‘expect’ to be or deserve to be assaulted.

 

[redwood66]

@Redwood, Comments you have made in the past and on here suggest women are to blame, without coming right out and saying so. As a few of us here have stated, this isn’t political to us. You’ve made comments on Pricescope that you wouldn’t let your husband have dinner alone with a women. You would need to be there with them. If you really feel this way, the problem is with you and your husband, not the women.

Red, Most of us on here don’t know each other in real life. We only have the words people type on have to go by. You may not feel the way some of your words come across. Maybe House Cat and I are wrong in interpreting them.


On a Happy Note @House Cat Bill Cosby is in jail.

I don't "let" my husband do or not do anything. He wouldn't do it based on his own decision and respect for me. We have no problems regarding this so don't assume we do.

I write and speak in a frank manner with no flowery language or extra emotional content (always have here on PS), and you are definitely misinterpreting them to meet some idea you have that conservatives don't care about women or sexual assault. I am also retire law enforcement so the law should obviously be important to me.

Good that Cosby is done for.