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Echidna|1300504924|2875026 said:I'd love someone to wear that to my weddingGo for it!
I'm an etiquette maven, myself, but I have to say--anyone who focuses on another's bad form at the expense of focusing on the beauty of the event is just as bad, if not worse, than the original offender. In my experience, those who care about these things do so from a desire to be considerate of others, so this behavior (focusing on the mother's dress rather than the location and reception) is very unusual in people who truly care about decorum and propriety.marymm|1300634280|2875732 said:Etiquette and social courtesy matter to many people - I do not know if these things matter to you. Historically and traditionally, weddings were and are an occasion in which the bride and groom are the focus of attention. It is generally considered ill-mannered to act or appear in a way that shifts the focus off them and onto you.
Tradition (and most etiquette books and experts) holds that a woman wearing an all-white or ivory or cream dress or a dress in the same style as the bride is "competing" with the bride. It is thought a woman wearing all-red (a dramatic color) is also dressing in order to shift attention from the bride to her.
That said, today is a new day and brides often elect to have their attendants wear white or black or red... guests are simply constrained from wearing the same style garment. And many brides make it known that they do not mind what their guests choose to wear; and other brides decide guests should dress to conform to her chosen theme (ie, "black and white").
You may come from a different culture or tradition, or you may not value the social courtesies and traditions associated with weddings, but it doesn't mean they don't exist.
A true story -- years ago, my cousin married a very sweet girl who wore a gorgeous cream full-length full-skirted gown with elaborate wedding hat... my cousin's mom (my aunt) showed up in a full-length form-fitting ivory satin dress -- the bride and groom were mortified by her selection of attire, and it was the talk of the wedding and the reception... sadly, the beautiful outdoor wedding location and the splendid reception were commented on only as a sideline. To this day, the mom's dress is the main topic when talk of that wedding arises.
Haven|1300648148|2875861 said:marymm|1300634280|2875732 said:A true story -- years ago, my cousin married a very sweet girl who wore a gorgeous cream full-length full-skirted gown with elaborate wedding hat... my cousin's mom (my aunt) showed up in a full-length form-fitting ivory satin dress -- the bride and groom were mortified by her selection of attire, and it was the talk of the wedding and the reception... sadly, the beautiful outdoor wedding location and the splendid reception were commented on only as a sideline. To this day, the mom's dress is the main topic when talk of that wedding arises.
Those who spend their time talking about your cousin's mom's dress are in fact making the worst etiquette faux pas of all, actually, which is pointing out another's bad form. And what's worse, they're dwelling on it years after the fact! How very ill-mannered.
Haven|1300648148|2875861 said:I'm an etiquette maven, myself, but I have to say--anyone who focuses on another's bad form at the expense of focusing on the beauty of the event is just as bad, if not worse, than the original offender. In my experience, those who care about these things do so from a desire to be considerate of others, so this behavior (focusing on the mother's dress rather than the location and reception) is very unusual in people who truly care about decorum and propriety.marymm|1300634280|2875732 said:Etiquette and social courtesy matter to many people - I do not know if these things matter to you. Historically and traditionally, weddings were and are an occasion in which the bride and groom are the focus of attention. It is generally considered ill-mannered to act or appear in a way that shifts the focus off them and onto you.
Tradition (and most etiquette books and experts) holds that a woman wearing an all-white or ivory or cream dress or a dress in the same style as the bride is "competing" with the bride. It is thought a woman wearing all-red (a dramatic color) is also dressing in order to shift attention from the bride to her.
That said, today is a new day and brides often elect to have their attendants wear white or black or red... guests are simply constrained from wearing the same style garment. And many brides make it known that they do not mind what their guests choose to wear; and other brides decide guests should dress to conform to her chosen theme (ie, "black and white").
You may come from a different culture or tradition, or you may not value the social courtesies and traditions associated with weddings, but it doesn't mean they don't exist.
A true story -- years ago, my cousin married a very sweet girl who wore a gorgeous cream full-length full-skirted gown with elaborate wedding hat... my cousin's mom (my aunt) showed up in a full-length form-fitting ivory satin dress -- the bride and groom were mortified by her selection of attire, and it was the talk of the wedding and the reception... sadly, the beautiful outdoor wedding location and the splendid reception were commented on only as a sideline. To this day, the mom's dress is the main topic when talk of that wedding arises.
It's very shocking (and sad) to me when people use etiquette as a weapon against others. That is not its purpose. The purpose of etiquette is to enhance everyone's comfort and ease, and thus to heighten everyone's enjoyment of life, by making things like expectations of attire known so people can spend less time worrying about what to wear and more time enjoying the party.
Those who spend their time talking about your cousin's mom's dress are in fact making the worst etiquette faux pas of all, actually, which is pointing out another's bad form. And what's worse, they're dwelling on it years after the fact! How very ill-mannered.
Snobbery is the antithesis of good form.
Stepcutnut--I agree that the dress is lovely and you should wear it. Enjoy the wedding!
I definitely didn't mean to sound like I was trying to correct YOU, Marymm, I'm sorry if it came across that way.marymm|1300651580|2875898 said:I agree wholeheartedly. But then, social gaffes often start a domino-effect of poor behavior. The main reason I myself remember this wedding is because my dad suffered a heart attack on the dance floor during the reception and was rushed to the hospital -- but most people I speak to about this wedding do not remember this happening.Haven|1300648148|2875861 said:Those who spend their time talking about your cousin's mom's dress are in fact making the worst etiquette faux pas of all, actually, which is pointing out another's bad form. And what's worse, they're dwelling on it years after the fact! How very ill-mannered.marymm|1300634280|2875732 said:A true story -- years ago, my cousin married a very sweet girl who wore a gorgeous cream full-length full-skirted gown with elaborate wedding hat... my cousin's mom (my aunt) showed up in a full-length form-fitting ivory satin dress -- the bride and groom were mortified by her selection of attire, and it was the talk of the wedding and the reception... sadly, the beautiful outdoor wedding location and the splendid reception were commented on only as a sideline. To this day, the mom's dress is the main topic when talk of that wedding arises.
And I do hope my post above was not taken for reproof or lecturing, and I apologize if anyone was offended by its content or tone - I was responding to the poster who wondered if it really mattered, and I was explaining why to many people it does matter. I myself did not care who wore what to my wedding, and when I attend others' weddings I simply try to conform to the style of their wedding. But I still wouldn't wear an all-white dress to a wedding unless the bride specified it as required.