We R Torn Over This J Diamond

[burberries5]

The following is an impulse order from JamesAllen because my fiance and I wanted to see what a J would look like.

Round Round
Lab: AGS
Carat: 1.58
Cut: Ideal
Color: J
Clarity: VVS2
Depth: 60.7
Table: 57
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Medium blue
Measurements: 7.56*7.58*4.59

The diamond arrived yesterday and we have been looking at it, carrying it around with us all day everywhere to see it in all sorts of lighting, etc. We both love the size of it, the clarity, and the price ($6810). It does have a slight tint to it, especially held up next to her F colored diamond but overall it is beautiful and nice white face up standing alone.

The dilemma here is that:
#1)Is this a good diamond to keep?
#2)She loves rose gold so will this diamond become more tinted/warm if set in Rose Gold?
#3) In certain lighting (in the car at night with interior doorlight on), this diamond looks somewhat blueish purple/dull brown (its so hard to describe). Is this due to it''s medium blue fluorescence?

We are both torn on whether or not to return this diamond because for the size, clarity, and price...it was hard to pass up. However we are not educated enough in diamonds to know if this is a good one to keep. I read so many people here on Pricescope that are happy with their J''s so we had to see it for ourselves. But now that we have seen it....we are so confused. Why does it look blueish purple brown? Are our expectations too high because we are holding it up against the other F color diamond?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/16/2009 4:24:31 AM
Author:burberries5
The following is an impulse order from JamesAllen because my fiance and I wanted to see what a J would look like.

Round Round
Lab: AGS
Carat: 1.58
Cut: Ideal
Color: J
Clarity: VVS2
Depth: 60.7
Table: 57
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Medium blue
Measurements: 7.56*7.58*4.59

The diamond arrived yesterday and we have been looking at it, carrying it around with us all day everywhere to see it in all sorts of lighting, etc. We both love the size of it, the clarity, and the price ($6810). It does have a slight tint to it, especially held up next to her F colored diamond but overall it is beautiful and nice white face up standing alone.

The dilemma here is that:
#1)Is this a good diamond to keep?
#2)She loves rose gold so will this diamond become more tinted/warm if set in Rose Gold?
#3) In certain lighting (in the car at night with interior doorlight on), this diamond looks somewhat blueish purple/dull brown (its so hard to describe). Is this due to it's medium blue fluorescence?

We are both torn on whether or not to return this diamond because for the size, clarity, and price...it was hard to pass up. However we are not educated enough in diamonds to know if this is a good one to keep. I read so many people here on Pricescope that are happy with their J's so we had to see it for ourselves. But now that we have seen it....we are so confused. Why does it look blueish purple brown? Are our expectations too high because we are holding it up against the other F color diamond?

Hi burberries

If you could post the rest of the info on the grading report, that would be really helpful then we can see how well this diamond is cut, it looks promising from the info given, I take it AGS0?


crown and pavilion angles
diameter in MM
star and lower girdle facet percentages.

As to the purple brown hue, diamonds can be like mirrors and will pick up and reflect colours from their surroundings, in some lights even top cut stones can look downright unexciting such as in direct sunlight, sometimes they can look very dark. I have noticed this effect or similar too in a car with the interior light. I don't know if it is the fluorescence causing this effect, medium is usually subtle to me, you might notice it as a faint bluish glow in some lights but it isn't obtrusive.

Its hard to know what to tell you, if you are unsure then maybe a J colour isn't the best choice for you, I would look at H or better. Alternatively if you do like the diamond but would like another opinion, consult an independant appraiser to get their take on the stone.

Are you planning on setting it in rose gold to include the prongs? If so then that might make the diamond look a little warmer, with the band I wouldn't have thought so but I am not sure here, might be best to wait for one of the experts to advise.

Appraiser tool - https://www.pricescope.com/appr_list.aspx

 

[GoSharks]

If that price is right, and especially if that price is right and you meant to say VVS2 not VS2, unless there is something not truly "ideal" about your ideal cut stone, then you have quite a deal. Did you flip the 6 and 8?

#1) For you to get a full response about the stone, more information helps. Listing specific angles %''s, and pictures such as idealscope or anything else you may have, will allow people to share what they know. What you have stated for information isn''t much to evaluate the cut, and cut is king at Price Scope.

At the end of the day though, since you have the stone, the most important opinion is available... what do you and the lady think, now that you are looking at it?

#2) Rose gold sounds like a nice setting for the stone to me, but again that''s all preference, there is no specific perfect material for stones based on their color. I do seem to see a lot of advice about trending away from white gold/plat for colored stones, but J is right between stones that face up colorless and stones that are truly warm, so really its still just your preference. Personally I bet it would look nice though.

#3) As for florescence, I wouldn''t imagine medium florescence would be all that noticeable, but perhaps in that specific lighting it is. Got anything else with some florescence to look at? Does that other stone have any? Are you just getting some serious fire at that specific place and viewing angle, and you aren''t used to it? Most of all, do you find the colors you see to be "interesting" or "unique", or does it just strike you as "weird"?


As far as comparing J to F goes, you will of course notice the difference more when they are side to side. If you look down at the face of the stone by itself, in various light, and find it to be sufficiently white to you, then that should suffice. There is no wrong answer, just your answer. Be sure to listen to yourself, and her, and go with your gut feeling about what you prefer. You won''t look back.

 

[Lorelei]

Good post GoSharks!!!!

 

[burberries5]

Thank you for your response. I had to learn "crown", "pavilion", and "girdle" right now because I have no clue what those #s are when I look at the AGS certificate.

Okay...so you scared me when you asked if I accidentally flipped the 6 and 8 when I told you this diamond was $6810. I quickly took out my James Allen receipt and it clearly states $6810.

As for the specific measurements, they are as follows (from AGS):

Table Diameter: 56.6
Crown Height: 15.0
Pavilion Depth: 43.5
Crown Angle: 34.7
Pavilion Angle: 41.1
Girdle: 0.5 to 3.5 faceted
Culet: says "pointed"

Also...from the very top of the diamond to it''s bottom point.. it says 60.7%

Shape: Round Brilliant
Cut Grade: AGS Ideal 0
Color Grade: AGS 3.0 (J)
Clarity Grade: AGS 2 (VVS2)
Carat Weight: 1.588
Comments: "Fluorescence: Medium Blue" and "The clarity grade of this diamond is based on clouds that are not shown."

There are no marks on the diamond diagram so I think that means it''s completely clean, right? How come it is not called an "IF" if there is no marks in this diamond whatsoever?

PLEASE HELP. I think it''s pretty and white but at the same time I keep thinking since it''s a J, there must be something wrong/yellow about it. I keep feeling that the price was too low and thus something is wrong with the diamond. My lady loves the size though. That''s the only thing we seem to feel confident about... it''s size.

 

[burberries5]

Thanks Lorelei for your response.

I truly wish to afford a G or H in 1.50+ but those cost so much. When I found out she did not mind an I color diamond, that was when we started learning about Js too. And now that we discovered the price difference, it is so hard to go back to looking at G and H''s in VS1 and up without having to sacrafice on a 1.5 carat size.

Thank goodness we have 30 days to do a return.

 

[ts44]

I cannot speak to the stats burberries, and will leave that to Lorelei and the other experts but I want you to know that I have a J set in platinum and even halo''d with G-H colored diamonds and I cannot see any yellow face-up or difference between the center diamond and the halo diamonds. When I saw the diamond loose, I was able to see the slight warmth from the sides but it did not bother me. My setting is a bezel and you cannot see the sides of the diamond when set.

While all J''s are not created equal, I think you could absolutely put a J in rose gold and it would look perfectly fine. I seriously considered rose gold before we decided on the platinum setting.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/16/2009 5:53:39 AM
Author: burberries5
Thank you for your response. I had to learn 'crown', 'pavilion', and 'girdle' right now because I have no clue what those #s are when I look at the AGS certificate.

Okay...so you scared me when you asked if I accidentally flipped the 6 and 8 when I told you this diamond was $6810. I quickly took out my James Allen receipt and it clearly states $6810.

As for the specific measurements, they are as follows (from AGS):

Table Diameter: 56.6
Crown Height: 15.0
Pavilion Depth: 43.5
Crown Angle: 34.7
Pavilion Angle: 41.1
Girdle: 0.5 to 3.5 faceted
Culet: says 'pointed'

Also...from the very top of the diamond to it's bottom point.. it says 60.7%

Shape: Round Brilliant
Cut Grade: AGS Ideal 0
Color Grade: AGS 3.0 (J)
Clarity Grade: AGS 2 (VVS2)
Carat Weight: 1.588
Comments: 'Fluorescence: Medium Blue' and 'The clarity grade of this diamond is based on clouds that are not shown.'

There are no marks on the diamond diagram so I think that means it's completely clean, right? How come it is not called an 'IF' if there is no marks in this diamond whatsoever?

PLEASE HELP. I think it's pretty and white but at the same time I keep thinking since it's a J, there must be something wrong/yellow about it. I keep feeling that the price was too low and thus something is wrong with the diamond. My lady loves the size though. That's the only thing we seem to feel confident about... it's size.

Where it says in comments " clarity grade is based on clouds that are not shown" means that they are insignificant enough to get the VVS grade but to plot them would be very difficult being so tiny, as they are inconsequential the grader thought it sufficient to mention that they are there but no need to mark them out.

Its a difficult decision, it appears to be a well cut stone but if you aren't sure then don't settle. I definitely think if you are unsure an appraisal would be worthwhile but as I say if this diamond isn't making you both happy look at some more, no point committing to this one if you have serious doubts. Maybe an independant expert's opinion might settle the question.

 

[Amethyste]

Date: 8/16/2009 4:24:31 AM
Author:burberries5


#2)She loves rose gold so will this diamond become more tinted/warm if set in Rose Gold?

OH MY!!! I used to have a J with Med Blue Fluorescence set into a PUR rose gold tension setting. Here's some pictures of it. I think a "J" is a fabulous choice for the money. Facing up, usually a well cut "J" will look pretty colorless. Of course, any other color compared to a D-E-F will definately look a little more tinted. I liked the fluorescence I had in my J, is added some interesting color flashes, my "J" diamond was an AGS-0 and it was really pretty!

 

[Amethyste]

Another one

 

[Amethyste]

and a shot of the 2 rings together... I don''t want to hijack your thread with pictures... But I thought they were appropriate for your situation

 

[Lula]

Hi, Burberries,
It sounds like you got a well-cut diamond in a great carat weight for an excellent price.

I have owned an AGS0 J diamond, and 99% of the time it was white or slightly creamy white. In certain lights, especially at night, my J would take on a darker, more golden color, with lots of flashes of color. But it was rare.

I owned a D before that, and in bright light (under a street light at night) it would be nearly black with lots of flashes of color.

The first time I saw well-cut diamonds in the dark under bright lighting, whether it was my D or my J, I was shocked -- the "darkness" of the stone was disconcerting. I''ve since learned from PS that well-cut diamonds tend to go dark under that type of lighting, and it''s nothing to be concerned about.

I''m wondering how much the fluorescence adds to this phenomenon. Perhaps others who own stones with strong fluorescence will respond to your thread with their experiences.

 

[glitterata]

It sounds as if you like the diamond but are having a "mind clean" issue. If you had the exact same stone and believed it was an H color, how would you feel about it? Do you mind the thought of a J more than the look of this particular J?

As far as the fluorescence goes, fluorescence means that when ultraviolet light hits the diamond, the diamond will glow blue. You will never see this effect unless UV light is hitting the diamond, so unless you have a UV light in your car at night, the purply brown effect in the car has nothing to do with fluorescence. In general, you'll probably only notice the fluorescence in a dark room with a blacklight, such as a bar or nightclub. Sunlight has lots of UV light in it, so the diamond will do its blue-glowing thing in sunlight, but you're unlikely to notice because the blue glow is so much dimmer than the sunlight. (Unless the diamond has very strong fluorescence, which yours doesn't.) Sort of like the way a flashlight is bright at night, but if you turn it on in the daytime it looks very dim.

The brown-purple effect in the car probably doesn't have much to do with the color either. It's probably because it's a well cut diamond, as others have mentioned. How does the F look in the car at night?

I think you will probably be happy with this J, as long as you don't mind the THOUGHT of a J. If the thought of it bothers you, you will probably not be happy with it.

 

[shimmer]

I have an uncertified OEC ''J'' in a rose gold bezel and it looks way whiter than my previous I-color AGSO that was set in white gold. It may be due to the difference in cut or the closed in bezel hiding the tint from the sides, but I''m pretty sure the rose gold also has something to do with it. Can you get it set within the return period (or even plop the diamond into the setting and view it in different lighting)? If you don''t care for it you could unset and return.

 

[decodelighted]

That''s a steal of a price on a well cut diamond in that size range ... if it looks good in every other environment than a dimly lit car at night I think I''d just chalk that up to a compromise I could live with!

There is going to be SOME kind of compromise with any stone ... (and any house, and any ...uh ... mate). Its a matter of what you can & can''t live with.

The only way to know if the "J" color was causing the purplish brown thing in the car is to have an equally sized higher color stone with medium blue flor. in the same car @ the same time & compare those -- apples to apples. Isn''t fair to compare an F w/ no flor ... or a smaller F ... or a non-ideal cut F ... all might react differently to the same lighting situation.

Ideal cuts stones do "go dark" under some circumstances. Maybe that''s what you''re seeing -- and it has nothing to do with the "J" color ... wouldn''t it be a shame to trade for a different (smaller) stone & then find the same look happens with that one! Eeep!

 

[burberries5]

Thank you all for your responses. I am starting to feel more and more confident with this J diamond. I even took it to my buddy''s house to compare it with his wife''s 1.5 carat G diamond. They were uncertain about whether their diamond was an ideal cut but when they saw mine, they were impressed. To them, they said they could not see the difference between a G and my J. I can see a slight "warmth" in my J but it fired back better than their G. They called me crazy if I were to return it. So, with all the wonderful information from PS-ers and comparing it to another similar sized diamond in higher color, I feel that this J is perfect but I was just too ignorant to believe in it.

Thank you. I will try posting pictures of before and after I set it.

 

[Lorelei]

Congrats!!! That was a great move comparing it to your friend''s 1.5!!!!

 

[Rockit]

This sounds like a beautiful diamond and a great price. I''m glad you decided to go ahead with it. Great idea to compare with a friend''s diamond. I can''t wait to see photos!

I agree, all J''s are not equal, however, just so you know, I wear a J-color RHR nearly everyday – with higher colored diamonds on my left hand – and I have no issues with any tint in the J. A beautiful diamond is a beautiful diamond, and, as your visit with friends proved, performance of a beautiful diamond is what gets noticed and appreciated most. BTW, I think a rose gold setting will be exquisite.