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boxy

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I am new to this forum. I just recently upgraded my stone and purchased a RB 1.75 F SI2 stone. It is GIA certified and has an ex, vg, ex cut, no Florescence, and no culet. On the HCA, it scores a 1.3. It is absolutely beautiful in person, very brilliant. However, when I got it home, I noticed that I could see the black inclusion that was plotted, with my naked eye. I was so disappointed when I saw it, as I thought SI's were supposed to be eye clean. However, I have since learned just wht this term means and realize that even some VS's are not eye clean. Anyhow, the unfortunate thing is that the flaw is located right near the center of the table. I really have to stare and search for it, however, at certain angles and lights, I can definitely spot it. I have to say, it really looks like a small black spec of dust when I do see it, but it still kinda bugs me. The rest of the stone is very clean. I didn't notice it at all in the store. Anyhow, I am torn between keeping it, because it's so brilliant and bright, or looking for something else. I paid 16800 for it. Thoughts, advice?
 
How visible is the inclusion? How close do you have to be to see it? SI2 is not normally eyeclean. SI1 can be. VS2 normally is. If you want absolutely you need VS1. But if you want a TRULY eyeclean SI stone (and you can find them) you need to work with a good vendor who will examine it and tell you what they see before they buy it.

Also it is visible through the top right? Because the sides aren't part of the clarity grade.
 
Comparable stones go for about 17000 and some of them are eyeclean.

Comps:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1444533.asp this one might be eyeclean for example. If it is, then that's why it costs more. If it isn't then... looks it is a little more (300) than yours, but it's also 5 points heavier. That tells me you paid what you should have paid. You didn't get a steal, but you didn't overpay either.
 
Gypsy,
Thanks for your feedback! It is much appreciated. Yes, the inclusion is visible from the top, as it's virtually in the very center of the stone. The place did allow me to trade in my original stone, so this helped me out tremendously towards making this upgrade. I will go this weekend to take a look at some other options, but knowing that I got a fair deal, makes me hesitant to let it go, as I had to fight for that price with my trade-in. I'm anxious to see what else they have.
 
boxy, it sounds like you need to search very carefully to locate the inclusion. In my head I'm imagining that it's blending nicely within the facet pattern of the diamond? When I received my stone and evaluated it the first day, I kept seeing what I thought was a large area of leakage under the table and I obsessed about it, then fianlly decided to post pics, and silly me it was table reflection. :oops: Since then, I almost never ever notice this spot. I just needed some affirmation that it was ok and normal. I wonder if you sit back and just view your diamond as if your admiring it's beauty rather than critiquing it, if you will start to feel as if the inclusion isn't as troublesome? It sounds as if others would never be able to locate it by a causal look or even assessment. Some people like to think of these small inclusions as beauty marks, you will always be able to identify your stone by this teeny tiny imperfection. ;)

Of course, there is also the issue of whether or not you can accept this inclusion now that you've found it. If I couldn't let it go and see the beauty of the diamond (inclusion included) then I would need to exchange stones. =)

Interesting in here what you decide, some come back and fill us in.
 
I am very excited to see what my SA brings to the table tomorrow. As I have been wearing it, I am growing to like it more, despite the little flaw. It seems like such a rare find to have such a low HCA score (1.3), and nice face size of 7.83 x 7.87 mm for a 1.75CT stone. And the color really is very nice, esp outside. I am thinking that if i do keep it, I may splurge and buy a new setting for it, since my original ring and band no longer fit well due to the larger size of the stone.

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yes, I can see it. Of course it will be much easier for us to see in a photograph than it ever will be when the diamond is in motion on your hand. =) You'll have to do some serious thinking on this. Your going to have this diamond for a long time I assume, and you don't want to always look at it and be disappointed with the inclusion. It sounds as though your starting to get past it though and are more able to enjoy all the other beautiful characteristics of the stone now though. How long is your return period? Have you considered dropping down in color to maybe a G or even an H and going up in clarity? Many people find that they can't tell the difference in the color once the diamond is in it's setting.

I agree, I think that your diamond as outgrown it's setting. I think a diamond that large set in a simple solitaire and matching diamond wedder would be classic and elegant. :love:
 
Thx for your feedback Christina! You're right, I have a big decision to make. I will keep you posted as to what happens and what I end up doing. I keep waffling back and forth, but being the anal person I am, I think I should get something that really is "eye clean," so as not to obsess about the visible flaws. Wish I weren't so darn picky!!!!-Or that I had no budget! : )
 
boxy|1337393275|3198892 said:
Thx for your feedback Christina! You're right, I have a big decision to make. I will keep you posted as to what happens and what I end up doing. I keep waffling back and forth, but being the anal person I am, I think I should get something that really is "eye clean," so as not to obsess about the visible flaws. Wish I weren't so darn picky!!!!-Or that I had no budget! : )



:lol: I hear you! There are eye clean SI2's out there, they are harder to find but you can do it. I'd look for stones with twining wisps and feathers or needles that don't cause any durability risks to the stone. I shy away from clouds unless I can actually view the stone in person, because you can't know what depth they have and if it will affect the brilliance of the diamond. If it doesn't affect it's performance then they are a decent inclusion as well. I've found that it's more difficult to find an SI2 that doesn't have some sort of inclusion under the table, but if it's small, white and located deeper inside the stone then it can still be very hard to locate. I have a crystal under my table but face up I can't see it at all, even knowing where to look, however from the side and in good light I can locate it. Being able to see inclusions through the pavilion don't bother me so long as they are white and not obvious.

I'm confident you will find exactly what your looking for. Sometimes it takes longer than we would like, but when you do find it, it makes the search worth it. Post back when you make your decision! I'm not sure if I told you already but your ring is beautiful! :love:
 
Thank Christina,
After spending my morning and afternoon there, I did reach a decision. I ended up with a D SI2 1.79 ct RB with slight Flor, triple ex and 1.4 on Halloway. I had to pay 1200 more, but was assured that it was well worth it. I trust that my SA was being genuine, as she's been very patient with me. It's beautiful and about the same diameter as my previous F stone. It's flaws were definitely more numerous, but not eye apparent to me, like my other stone. There were tiny little flecks of black spread about the table, but not dead center. And it had several pinpoints and one noticeable cloud with the loop, which was in the crown. I couldn't see it w/ naked eye, but my SA could at certain angles. My main concern was that from underneath, it had an indented natural, right under the girdle on the pavilion. It was very small though, and she said she could have a prong cover it. They are going to do the best to fix my ring with another head, in order to get the two bands to sit more flush. Keeping fingers crossed. I pick it up Tue night. Will take pics of the final result. I am 98-99% comfortable and happy with this stone, yes it has more flaws, but they were so dispersed and small, you really couldn't tell, plus the color was so amazing and bright.
One thing that puzzles me is the pricescope diamond pricing. I know they say it's wholesale prices, but they seem so low! Also, for some reason, for a ring my carat size and color, the D color is actually priced LESS than the F color, in the SI2 category. Do you think this was a typo?
 
No idea on the typo. But I can't wait till you have your new ring! And a D! D's are special!
 
Thx Gypsy! I will make sure to take pics and share. :)
 
Here's the final product! I am so happy with the stone! It's GIA D 1.79 triple ex, 1.4 HCA, SI2, eye clean so far to me!!! : ) Bands are still not completely flush, but much better than before!!! : )

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beautiful!
 
Beautiful! Love the icy white! :appl:
 
Thank you ladies!! WEBDIVA, O absolutely love your profile pic!! That setting is stunning! I may have to venture into looking for a new setting, as the gap is sort of bugging me, one side is larger than other. Yikes, when does it end??????
 
WOW. That is one bright beautiful stone! Wear it in the best of health. I think you made the right choice!
 
It looks beautiful Boxy! Very icy white, no inclusions noticeable on the photos, compared to the other stone and the bands look to be sitting much better on your hand.

Glad it worked out and you are so happy now! :bigsmile:
 
Thank you! Yes, I will definitely enjoy this ring!!! : ) Thanks for all your feedback!
 
Boxy I think you did a great job!! And a D!! :love: You sound so much more please with the results, so I think it was $1200 more, very well spent! =) It's so hard sometimes looking at clarity plots, sometimes they look such a mess that you think the stone could never ever be eye clean, and then other times they look clean on paper but IRL the tiny inclusion is a big black mess! That's one reason it's so important to have magnified images of stones, especially below VS2. But, whatever, you don't need to worry about that because you have a gorgeous HUGE D!!!! :appl: I'm very excited for you and so happy that your please with your new ring!!

So....onto settings??? :naughty: :lol:

btw, I'm super sorry that I missed your reply to me, I've been slacking and searching for setting ideas myself! :rolleyes: daunting!

Don't forget to start a thread in SMTB, if you haven't already!! :love:
 
Gorgeous and so huge on you! You must have teeny fingers!
 
Yes, that finger measures 3 3/4. The ring is a little too big after all the polishing they had to do to make the adjustments to the bands. They are going to put in some "speed bumps" inside the bands to help take up some space. Hopefully it'll work.
Christina, you'll have to let me know what you find in terms of settings. I am always one to ideas.
My poor hubby is sitting next to me, literally sweating at the thought of me being on a diamond jewelry forum. He thought the purse forum was a bad addiction, watch out! :)
 
So glad to hear a happy ending!
 
Gorgeous, you can absolutely tell the cut is wonderful, and if its eye clean then WOO HOO!
 
boxy|1337823509|3202199 said:
Yes, that finger measures 3 3/4. The ring is a little too big after all the polishing they had to do to make the adjustments to the bands. They are going to put in some "speed bumps" inside the bands to help take up some space. Hopefully it'll work.
Christina, you'll have to let me know what you find in terms of settings. I am always one to ideas.
My poor hubby is sitting next to me, literally sweating at the thought of me being on a diamond jewelry forum. He thought the purse forum was a bad addiction, watch out! :)

:lol: I think all of our husbands have had similar reactions! I have a feeling I'll be giving up a few Coach bags for the new setting though. :nono:
 
I hear ya. I've been making a mental list myself of all the things I can consign to help pay. :)
 
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