Was LOOKING.. need some insight PLease

[MINE!!]

Ok, I was looking at this diamond that a jeweler had been RAVING about and had asked me to come in and see. It is a Round Brilliant and I thought it was pretty. But you are the experts.. I am not sold on it... considering my dilemma over the round diamond issue.

Tell me what you think... if you do not mind

1.61
7.58-7.54x4.78mm
depth: 63.2
Table: 60
Crown: 14%
Pav.: 44%
Girdle: Medium to SL. THick Faceted
Culet: none

Polish Very good
Symmetry Good to very good
SI2
G
No Flour
Certified by EGL ( don''t I have to conciouslly lower the color and grading since it was certified by EGL and not GIA)

He wants 7500

Whatcha think? Was I seeing something pretty or something that was not worth 7500?

 

[Maxine]

first impression is that is seems kinda deep..................did you check the price on search engine?
you do need to check it out w/someone re: color and other items reported on cert.....

 

[Maxine]

Run those #''s through HCA....only comes up w: 5.4!!!! Fair-good

 

[MINE!!]

aaahhhhhh.... thank you!!!

 

[lizzyd]

Hi,

I''m pretty new here myself, but these are the parameters I''ve been trying to look within for a well-cut RB stone:

table 53 - 58%
depth 58.7 - 62.3%
crown angle around 34''
pavillion angle around 40.5''

Of course, there can be variations on those numbers, depending on who you talk to. And, certain combinations of those numbers can get you an incredible looking stone while other combinations may get you a so-so looking stone. These are just rough parameters that I''ve come to from my own research and the help of many wise and informed people on this board! But in the end, you have to look with your eyes!

I did a p-scope search for around 1.60ct stones that are one grade lower than the one you describe for both color and clarity (because of the EGL cert). The three stones that came up were all about $2,000 less than the one you''re looking at.

Then, I did a search for a 1.6ct GIA/AGS0 hearts and arrows G/H SI1/SI2 and the prices were all around $11,000+. There must be something in the middle that you might like?

Anyway, I think perhaps the stone you''re considering might be a little too deep to have optimum light return. Also, I think you can do better on price. Especially if you one of the good p-scope vendors!

If you feel you need to go with your local jeweler for some reason, then if I were you, I would do a p-scope search for some stones you think you''d like, print off the details pages and bring them with you. Ask your local guy to please find you a stone that falls within the parameters you want (including crown and pavillion angles) and see if he''ll match the p-scope pricing. If he''s good, he''ll want your business and will work hard for you.

Also, make sure he allows you to bring it to an independent appraiser before you have to commit to the stone.

Good luck. And let us know what you end up doing.

Cheers,
LizzyD

 

[AChiOAlumna]

Date: 3/18/2005 8:31:15 AM
Author:MINE!!

; But you are the experts.. I am not sold on it... considering my dilemma over the round diamond issue.

This sentence says wonders...ultimately, if you are not sold on it, move on...all these numbers are helpful guidelines, but you''ll know when you find "the one" that will make you happy....follow your gut...it''s telling you all that you need to know...

 

[Mark Turnowski]

Hi

If you''re looking for an ideal cut diamond, this one would not fall into that category. The depth is too large as well as the table. In addition the crown and pavilion angles are too big. Try to find a diamond that the table meaasurements are closer to the 53-58%, and the depth 59-62. Those numbers will usually bring down the pavilion and crown numbers. In addition the HCA number will come more into line with a more brilliant diamond. I would also check out the clarity and be sure that the SI2 is not eye visible to you. SI2 clarities can work both ways for you. If it is a good SI2 than you can save a considerable amount of money. However if the diamond is an SI2 that is not eye clean than you probable wouldn''t be happy with it and you would need to increase your budget and search for an SI1. Either direction that you take have an independent appraiser help you in finalizing your decision.

 

[phoenixgirl]

I think you can do a lot better for $7500.

 

[valeria101]

G-Si2 by EGL could match GIA's H-I1 and for that the price doesn't sound like such a bargain anymore. Actually, the prices for GIA H-SI2 could bebetter (as long as you are out of the AGS0 interval fro depth & table - which is the case).

Pricescope prices for 1.5-1.7cts G-Si2 (EGL) start at $5700 - so what makes this one a bargain ?

Even among GIA SI2, the appearance of the inclusions change the price: even if the grade itself does not tell if the stone is "eye clean" or not, the dealer who priced it knew what it is. Not that a badly included piece might not be priced high, but why would a good one be discounted ? At least it doesn't sound safe to assume that off the bat.

Since EGL puts the extra prportions on the cert, you could indeed sort among out EGL diamonds using the HCA to narrow down some options. There's no telling if optical symmetry would come close to the painted H&A samples or not - but the idea proportions do make a difference and would be worth looking for, IMO.

If brighteness and price for size are OK. perhaps goig outside the "old" AGS0 specs is not such a bad thing.

How does this sound ?

 

[valeria101]

It can''t be too hard to obtain copies of the certs for a line up like this