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Date: 11/18/2008 5:59:32 AM
Author: bigjimmy
Lorelei:

one question for you, what differences does it make, whether the diamond has ideal angel or not?

b/c after u mention about the table %, i found this one:

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01450053#grading_report

it costs more, but seems almost every spec fits the 'ideal angel', in a regular person's eye, what different would it make with the diamond with a bigger table, but probably not as good angel?

thanks
Jimmy
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Hi Jimmy,

The crown and pavilion angles are the ' engines' which drive a diamond's light return, in particular the pavilion angle. You can have wider variance with the crown angle than you can with the pavilion but what is important is how well these angles work together. You will see from the figures provided earlier that the angles fall into the steeper 35/ 41 range which ideally can warrant further evaluation with an Idealscope image. This is because 35/ 41 is entering what we call steep deep range and these angles are hovering on the edge of this. GIA rounds their angles so depending on what the angles actually are, if a bit more shallow then the diamond could be fine, if a little steeper then it is possible there might be some light leakage - although it may not be an issue, we can't say without seeing images or the actual diamond. Unfortunately though BN will not provide Idealscope images. However this diamond certainly has potential.

As for table sizes, check out this info as it might help.

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/tablesize.asp
 
This stone scored HCA 2.4. Might not be a bad stone but could be better.

EDT:

Other vendors ships overseas too, you just have to ask them and payment may require wire-transfer for their safety.
 
Date: 11/18/2008 3:37:02 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
Where are you from if I may ask?

Anyway, my opinions are as follows.

H VS2 is probably a safer bet as AGS grades optical performance much tighter and VS2 is a cleaner face up stone.

The E SI1 stone''s performance is predicted by HCA, so that might be a hit and miss there. A size that is just in 2ct, so a chip on it, very rare occurrence, will cause a larger drop in price. SI1 you will need to check to make sure it is eye-clean when you get it immediately. The things going for it are the color and fluor, as these are things of the stone property and cannot be change with cutting, as in you can get better optical performance and maybe better clarity depending on where the inclusions are located by re-cutting it but there is no way to change the color and fluor of the stone.

So depends on what you like best. Good Luck. :)
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I commented on it b4, maybe you missed it.
 
Lorelei,

this one doesn''t have the "ideal cut", with the right table width and angel...

b/c it''s AGS report, so if on AGS it has a "ideal" cut, althought the angel/tables don''t mater, its okay?
but not with GIA?

thanks for the clarification
 
My real final pick (running out of time)

H/VS2/ HCA 1.6, but might not be available on BN (dont know why)
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01154767?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0

H/VS2/ HCA 1.1, but not within the ideal cut angel/table?
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01449769#grading_report


H/VS2/ HCA 1.3, but I am worried about the additional clouds not shown comment, afraid it might effect the lighting,like the other post I've seen(not much other inclusion)
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01284549?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0

H/VS2/ HCA 0.9, same thing, worried about clouds not on the plot
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01394679

what is ur first pick and 2nd?

thanks again for your info, it really helped alot, and confused me alot
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, but I am sure I will find the best diamond, great thanks.
 
Date: 11/19/2008 6:12:51 AM
Author: bigjimmy
Lorelei,

this one doesn't have the 'ideal cut', with the right table width and angel...

b/c it's AGS report, so if on AGS it has a 'ideal' cut, althought the angel/tables don't mater, its okay?
but not with GIA?

thanks for the clarification
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Jimmy, this diamond has the AGS0 cut grade which can encompass various combinations of proportions and angles which will work together to achieve the AGS 0 title. AGS Ideal are a fairly safe bet for cut quality and performance. Sometimes others may use the term Ideal to describe a diamond's cut quality rather loosely and is no guarantee of a well cut diamond, Ideal as used by AGS however is awarded to diamonds which meet their strict criteria for an ' Ideal Cut,' which many agree are top cut stones. GIA's highest cut grade is Excellent and is rather less strict than AGS, allowing at time for some less desirable angle combos which can make the Excellent cut grade. Also with the numbers I provided on the previous page, these are suggested guidelines only to help you find a well cut stone, not an absolute rule as I explained before, there are other combinations of proportions, table size etc which can still result in a good looking diamond.

So to conclude, AGS 0 cut grade diamonds are a reasonably safe bet that you will get a good looking stone, also as the cut grade is light performance based rather than proportion. This allows for other proportion combos to get the 0 cut grade if they work well enough together.
 
Date: 11/19/2008 6:19:08 AM
Author: bigjimmy
My real final pick (running out of time)

H/VS2/ HCA 1.6, but might not be available on BN (dont know why)
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01154767?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0

H/VS2/ HCA 1.1, but not within the ideal cut angel/table?
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01449769#grading_report


H/VS2/ HCA 1.3, but I am worried about the additional clouds not shown comment, afraid it might effect the lighting,like the other post I've seen(not much other inclusion)
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01284549?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0

H/VS2/ HCA 0.9, same thing, worried about clouds not on the plot
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01394679

what is ur first pick and 2nd?

thanks again for your info, it really helped alot, and confused me alot
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, but I am sure I will find the best diamond, great thanks.
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Ok I had a look through, firstly no worries about the additional clouds not shown comments with VS2 clarity, these are just mentioned for the sake of completeness.

As to which to pick, it is difficult without Idealscope images which we like to have to confirm the proportions of a particular diamond, but I like the look of #4, 3 and 2 to begin with, but they all look like potentially good diamonds, see which are available?
 
2, then 4. Nothing to worry about for the clouds, esp on VS2.

2 is safer bet, better spread too.
 
Since we can't get an idealscope pic, I would pick 3 if it were me. The angles have very safe numbers, which is important since GIA rounds them. And there's nothing wrong with VG symmetry and polish. So that one gets my vote.
(the AGS has a crown that's a bit shallow, you may lose some fire with it)
 
I just wanted to comment that you are getting such great advice. Lorelei and Ellen are always right on top of everything.
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I had one of those GIA "excellent" diamonds with bad angles, everything you hear about them is true. Now thanks to learning a lot here, I've had my diamond recut to ideal proportions and now she's a beauty! You're lucky to have found this BEFORE buying one!

Edit: I realized there were many more people giving you great advice too. It's just that every time I open up a thread to comment, Lorelei and Ellen are on it already! There are so many wonderfully helpful people here though!
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I just returned an H vs1 diamond to blue nile..... 2.05 ct. Nothing wrong with it just went a different way and grabbed a whiteflash stone. I will post the specs. The reason why i say this becasue you could get it before they relist it..... 22900

Stock number... LD01440609
Laser inscribed too
I had my jeweler look at it and he was impressed but I wanted sarin, ideal scope etc..... so I returned.


http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs1-clarity_LD01440609
 
Kelli, thanks for the props anyway, much appreciated!
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Date: 11/19/2008 2:42:42 PM
Author: Ellen
Kelli, thanks for the props anyway, much appreciated!
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Ditto, Kelli thanks so much! Ellen and I have been doing this for a long time now so your kind words mean a lot that we are doing a good job!
 
Date: 11/19/2008 2:38:06 PM
Author: beach
I just returned an H vs1 diamond to blue nile..... 2.05 ct. Nothing wrong with it just went a different way and grabbed a whiteflash stone. I will post the specs. The reason why i say this becasue you could get it before they relist it..... 22900


Stock number... LD01440609

Laser inscribed too

I had my jeweler look at it and he was impressed but I wanted sarin, ideal scope etc..... so I returned.



http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs1-clarity_LD01440609
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Thank you for the kind offer, I''ve made the order last night already with the
H/VS2/ HCA 0.9,

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-vs2-clarity_LD01394679

I will keep you guys post as how the diamond goes, after I surprise my wife of course =p
and again, really appreciate everyone''s help and education here, especially Lorelei and Stone-cold for not giving up on me with my endless repeating questions
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Good Luck then. :)
 
It was my pleasure assisting you Jimmy, please post pics when you get the ring completed!
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