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IntSpin

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Hello,

I''m looking to buy an engagement ring in the UK and came across a site that, basically, says that AGS certs aren''t that good in terms of appearance to a human: yes there is a difference to machines, but it''s not noticable to a human observer. The site recommends ''Antwerp cut''.

In a reply to an email, the sender gave the impression that he didn''t think much of HCA either: and is escpecially negative about H&A stones. Is the info supplied true, as it seems contrary to most of the posts on this forum?

Acoording to the website he''s a diamond trader based in Antwerp, and cuts stones as well. Is it an old world/ new world thing, just like wine about 10 years ago?

Thanks for any advice and opinions,

Billy
 
Hey, Billy, welcome to Pricescope.

You know...anybody can say anything.

Though Mr. Antwerp may be right, does he provide evidence, or is it just sexy and provocative to you that he''s contrarian. The most contrarian guy we know on this board, otherwise, is also a crook.

Why do his statements give you particular concern...why is he convincing?
 
I have to agree with RG''s post and add that usually those that are so vocally negative about accepted technologies are so because they know that their product is inferior. Usually people who are being honest about things will leave you to do research and make a decision because they KNOW they are selling a quality product.
 
Who is the crook? Fill a newbie in so I don''t get the wool pulled over my eyes? I''m reading everything I can on this site. People seem very knowledgeable. :)
 
Date: 11/24/2008 4:28:45 PM
Author: hoofbeats95
Who is the crook? Fill a newbie in so I don't get the wool pulled over my eyes? I'm reading everything I can on this site. People seem very knowledgeable. :)

No one who has been brought up super recently on PS. Trust me you'd figure it out if you heard him talk or read his book.
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Being based in Antwerp, I have to strongly disagree with the notion that one bad apple in my town spoils us all. This is most certainly not an old world/new world-thing.

And there is no such thing as ''Antwerp Cut''.

Live long,
 
Date: 11/24/2008 4:36:52 PM
Author: Paul-Antwerp
Being based in Antwerp, I have to strongly disagree with the notion that one bad apple in my town spoils us all. This is most certainly not an old world/new world-thing.


And there is no such thing as ''Antwerp Cut''.


Live long,

Agreed Paul. And Paul''s diamonds are some of the best, so you could look for European vendors of his stones.
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Hello Ira,

Thanks for the welcome and the fast reponse!
I was actually on fairly close to making a final descision about a diamond, about 0.5 carat H&A AGS Ideal, D, IF, 0.9 on HCA; but thoght that I should get an alternative opinion. I suppose I''ve given this guy a little leeway because I tend to be a bit ''old school'' about life in general.

Actually, I think I''m not terribly sure I would buy from this guy, even if I were to be convinced by him (not so far)! I would like to be able to view the diamonds, compare what he calls ''Antwerp cut'' ( sorry, I don''t know what else to call it) with H&A AGS 0.... however he''s an internet dealer and isn''t insured to have a unknown buyer in his office, apparently.

Cheers for your help!

Billy
 
oh sorry, I didn''t mean to imply that all people in Antwerp are Old World (actually, I quite like Old World wines). I was only referring to the particular guy that didn''t have high opinions of AGS and HCA. I apologise for any offense caused!

And actually, apologise for using the Old World/New World anology in the first place.
 
Date: 11/24/2008 5:14:09 PM
Author: IntSpin
Hello Ira,


Thanks for the welcome and the fast reponse!

I was actually on fairly close to making a final descision about a diamond, about 0.5 carat H&A AGS Ideal, D, IF, 0.9 on HCA; but thoght that I should get an alternative opinion. I suppose I''ve given this guy a little leeway because I tend to be a bit ''old school'' about life in general.


Actually, I think I''m not terribly sure I would buy from this guy, even if I were to be convinced by him (not so far)! I would like to be able to view the diamonds, compare what he calls ''Antwerp cut'' ( sorry, I don''t know what else to call it) with H&A AGS 0.... however he''s an internet dealer and isn''t insured to have a unknown buyer in his office, apparently.


Cheers for your help!


Billy

The stone you''ve picked sounds beautiful. I''d stick with that one personally. And just a little plug, I assume you are buying D IF for a reason, but just in case you can save quite a bit of money by dropping the color and clarity a few notches and you''ll never notice the difference...
 
Yeah, I know D IF carries a big premium, and it''s not really noticable without a trained eye and a loupe: it''s just ''mind clean'' (I think that''s a brilliant phrase, whoever coined it!), getting something not quite perfect just doesn''t seem quite right for an engagement ring (was going to say for a perfect girl, but thought that would be a bit too corny! Oops, I just said it... well what is said cannot be unsaid
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); well that''s my opinion anyway.
 
Date: 11/24/2008 5:44:08 PM
Author: IntSpin
Yeah, I know D IF carries a big premium, and it''s not really noticable without a trained eye and a loupe: it''s just ''mind clean'' (I think that''s a brilliant phrase, whoever coined it!), getting something not quite perfect just doesn''t seem quite right for an engagement ring (was going to say for a perfect girl, but thought that would be a bit too corny! Oops, I just said it... well what is said cannot be unsaid
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); well that''s my opinion anyway.

Lol. Perfectly legitimate choice as long as you know why you are doing it!!
 
Date: 11/24/2008 5:45:59 PM
Author: neatfreak


Date: 11/24/2008 5:44:08 PM
Author: IntSpin
Yeah, I know D IF carries a big premium, and it's not really noticable without a trained eye and a loupe: it's just 'mind clean' (I think that's a brilliant phrase, whoever coined it!), getting something not quite perfect just doesn't seem quite right for an engagement ring (was going to say for a perfect girl, but thought that would be a bit too corny! Oops, I just said it... well what is said cannot be unsaid
emteeth.gif
); well that's my opinion anyway.

Lol. Perfectly legitimate choice as long as you know why you are doing it!!
Absolutely and make sure you find the best cut D IF you can to really maximise the sparkle factor!
 
Date: 11/25/2008 4:09:08 AM
Author: Lorelei
Date: 11/24/2008 5:45:59 PM

Author: neatfreak



Date: 11/24/2008 5:44:08 PM

Author: IntSpin

Yeah, I know D IF carries a big premium, and it''s not really noticable without a trained eye and a loupe: it''s just ''mind clean'' (I think that''s a brilliant phrase, whoever coined it!), getting something not quite perfect just doesn''t seem quite right for an engagement ring (was going to say for a perfect girl, but thought that would be a bit too corny! Oops, I just said it... well what is said cannot be unsaid
emteeth.gif
); well that''s my opinion anyway.


Lol. Perfectly legitimate choice as long as you know why you are doing it!!
Absolutely and make sure you find the best cut D IF you can to really maximise the sparkle factor!

Well, it''s an AGS Ideal, H&A with a HCA score of 0.9 (excellent light return, fire, scintillation; very good spread). I should be getting a idealscope soon: not that I know much about how to interpret it! good enough to show off a D IF? Also there''s a loupe image: looks good to me, but I''m not an expert!

Cheers,

Billy
 
Date: 11/25/2008 11:21:28 AM
Author: IntSpin

Date: 11/25/2008 4:09:08 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/24/2008 5:45:59 PM

Author: neatfreak




Date: 11/24/2008 5:44:08 PM

Author: IntSpin

Yeah, I know D IF carries a big premium, and it''s not really noticable without a trained eye and a loupe: it''s just ''mind clean'' (I think that''s a brilliant phrase, whoever coined it!), getting something not quite perfect just doesn''t seem quite right for an engagement ring (was going to say for a perfect girl, but thought that would be a bit too corny! Oops, I just said it... well what is said cannot be unsaid
emteeth.gif
); well that''s my opinion anyway.


Lol. Perfectly legitimate choice as long as you know why you are doing it!!
Absolutely and make sure you find the best cut D IF you can to really maximise the sparkle factor!

Well, it''s an AGS Ideal, H&A with a HCA score of 0.9 (excellent light return, fire, scintillation; very good spread). I should be getting a idealscope soon: not that I know much about how to interpret it! good enough to show off a D IF? Also there''s a loupe image: looks good to me, but I''m not an expert!

Cheers,

Billy
Most definitely!!!

Here is how to interpret Idealscope images and you will be able to see your arrows as well!

http://www.ideal-scope.com/using_reference_chart.asp
 
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