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babs23r

babs23r

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Did anyone see that heated match yesterday afternoon. Love Serena, thought it was unfair to call her out on coaching. She didn’t even see him.
 
Didn't see the match but I saw her reaction and thought she was being rather unfair to the referee guy & unsportwoman-like. Her own coach admitted to 'coaching' her.

Are changes needed? Perhaps. But that doesn't mean you disrespect someone 'on the court'. Time & place ... I'm sure there is a grievance process to address such matters.
 
This is going to blow up. It was a completely sexist penalty on the ref's part and possibly cost her the title. As has already been shown, he's be talked to by men with worse words and behavior and didn't penalize anywhere near as harshly. He took a GAME from her. The unfortunate part is that it also taints the win for Japan and Osaka.
 
HI:

Saw it from start to finish. Entertaining to be sure.

cheers--Sharon
 
I have zero interest in any sport, but I was taught that the referee/umpires decision was always regarded as law.

Having seen the incident, it reminded me of John McEnroe’s outbursts in the past, and was unprofessional and unsporting.

Her coach has admitted that he was coaching her, whether she saw him or took any notice, her issue is with him, not the umpire.

Abusing the ref/umpire is not tolerated in any other sport, and smashing her racquet is akin to tantrum throwing, not exactly a good example for her daughter.

Her remark about him never umpiring another game she plays in, reminds me of the celebrity “do you know who I am?” statement when they don’t get what they want.

She hasn’t been playing well lately, as evidenced by her recent loss at Wimbledon, and her outburst IMVHO, has done her no favours at all.
 
the_mother_thing said:
Didn't see the match but I saw her reaction and thought she was being rather unfair to the referee guy & unsportwoman-like. Her own coach admitted to 'coaching' her.

Are changes needed? Perhaps. But that doesn't mean you disrespect someone 'on the court'. Time & place ... I'm sure there is a grievance process to address such matters.
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Had to see the match. Can’t judge just from snippets of behavior. Like seeing a preview for a movie. Have to see the whole match.
 
babs23r said:
Had to see the match. Can’t judge just from snippets of behavior. Like seeing a preview for a movie. Have to see the whole match.
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I saw video of all the pertinent parts & penalties. Her behavior was unprofessional - period. She has only her coach & herself to blame. And the only apology owed is to the actual winner of the match.

@Austina I thought the exact same thing regarding the 'celebrity behavior'. Sad!
 
Men have said and acted far worse with less penalties. Look at John McEnroe for example :
 
@babs23r Just because men do something doesn't make it acceptable nor appropriate. Should we (as women) start cat-calling and playing grab-ass as well because "men do it"?
 
I’m just pointing out the double standards that we have in this society. Not saying their behavior is ideal, but you can’t compare Serena’s outbursts with John’s or other male players.
 
babs23r said:
I’m just pointing out the double standards that we have in this society. Not saying their behavior is ideal, but you can’t compare Serena’s outbursts with John’s or other male players.
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I’m not condoning double standards. But I also don’t think it's fair nor reasonable to compare one person’s behavior today to another’s behavior a few decades ago.
 
the_mother_thing said:
I’m not condoning double standards. But I also don’t think it's fair nor reasonable to compare one person’s behavior today to another’s behavior a few decades ago.
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Is 2016 a better year to compare bad men sportsmanship?
Andy Murray kicked a tennis ball at the empires head and received NO penalties.
Just saying......
 
babs23r said:
Is 2016 a better year to compare bad men sportsmanship?
Andy Murray kicked a tennis ball at the empires head and received NO penalties.
Just saying......
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And two wrongs don’t make a right. If Serena wants to lower herself and her personal standards for ‘acceptable behavior’ in the sport, that’s her prerogative.

Just saying ...
 
the_mother_thing said:
And two wrongs don’t make a right. If Serena wants to lower herself and her personal standards for ‘acceptable behavior’ in the sport, that’s her prerogative.

Just saying ...
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Of course two wrongs don’t make a right. But if one sex isn’t penalized for the same (or worse) behavior then neither should the other. That’s the discussion right now. Not if their behavior was bad (of course it was) and if they acted like divas (of course they did). It’s equality. And in this case, there wasn’t any equality.
 
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i didn't watch the match but read about it. the fact that the winner was crying on the podium tells me there was more going on than serena having a hissy fit. bad behavior is not to be applauded but we have to call out the double standard. for the same actions men are called passionate, women are called hysterical. men are assertive, women are b****y. story of our lives and we need to keep calling it out because people don't realize how pervasive sexism is and how damaging it is to our society.
 
hathalove said:
Look at this cartoon. What do you see: a clever bit of satire, poking fun at a tennis legend’s petulant behaviour; or an image with dark resonances of another era, when black people were routinely depicted as less than human and when assertive women were regarded as hysterical?

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and...ng-or-old-fashioned-racism-1.3625565?mode=amp
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That cartoon is extremely offensive. Not only is she treated with an unfair sexist double standard, but the racist view of “angry black woman”. A white woman speaking up for herself in the same situation would not have been penalized in the same way.


ETA Certainly we’ve seen male players react much worse and be penalized less harshly. A black woman standing up for herself is seen as troublesome and not tolerated.
 
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I saw this and was appalled at her unsportsman-like conduct and the horrible audience. And as a woman I'm kind of disgusted that this is turning into a gender equality lesson.

I felt badly for the winner.
 
doberman said:
I saw this and was appalled at her unsportsman-like conduct and the horrible audience. And as a woman I'm kind of disgusted that this is turning into a gender equality lesson.

I felt badly for the winner.
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Now I agree with this too. The equality should be addressed, but the behavior seems to be lost in the background. Both issues are unacceptable, especially from “role models”. Trying to excuse it as competitiveness or getting lost in the heat of the moment shouldn’t be an acceptable answer.
 
ILikeShiny said:
Now I agree with this too. The equality should be addressed, but the behavior seems to be lost in the background. Both issues are unacceptable, especially from “role models”. Trying to excuse it as competitiveness or getting lost in the heat of the moment shouldn’t be an acceptable answer.
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Yes, equality should be addressed, but not in this case as it was far overshadowed by conduct. Women can have the right to throw a temper tantrum as well as men? I can't get behind that.
 
I agree no one has the right to throw a temper tantrum. It's not that a female tennis player should be just as entitled to act out...of course no one should do it. It's still really important to call out that the reaction to acting out differs when perpetrated by men vs women.
 
Women’s tennis has been wrought with sexism for decades. What they can or can’t wear or say or act. Unfair sexism beyond other sports arenas. Serena was standing up for herself, albeit in an unsportsmanlike manner? Sportswoman like not with standing, She also acted in a very sportswoman like manner calming down the rude, booing audience and congratulating Naomi’s win. It was sad and extremely emotional and uncomfortable for Naomi. There is so much to talk about with this situation, it’s much bigger than just Serena’s actions. She is also fighting for the women coming behind her in the sport.

ETA: I applaud her conviction.
 
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Bonfire said:
Women’s tennis has been wrought with sexism for decades. What they can or can’t wear or say or act. Unfair sexism beyond other sports arenas. Serena was standing up for herself, albeit in an unsportsmanlike manner? Sportswoman like not with standing, She also acted in a very sportswoman like manner calming down the rude, booing audience and congratulating Naomi’s win. It was sad and extremely emotional and uncomfortable for Naomi. There is so much to talk about with this situation, it’s much bigger than just Serena’s actions. She is also fighting for the women coming behind her in the sport.

ETA: I applaud her conviction.
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I agree! This is a symptom of an issue that has been with us since the beginning of time.
 
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