URGENT--buying this stone tonight--are specs okay?

[Gala139]

My wise friends--

I''m buying this stone tonight which is a 1.74 F SI2 and which was BEAUTIFUL in person, but I''m worried that the specs are weird. They are 7.72x7.63x4.83
flor none
polish very good to good
sym good
table 57
pavil 44.1
depth 63
crown 15.3

I realize I have crown height rather than angle, but that''s the best I can get for data. All fall into ideal except for the pavilion depth and total depth figures. What do those figures being out of spec with "ideal" really mean? Thanks!!

 

[ame]

If it looks great to you buy it.
Have you run them through HCA? Not an end-all be all.

 

[Gala139]

Thanks, Ame--I can''t run it through because I have crown height but not angle

 

[DoubleB]

Gala, maybe I''m too late, but did you see this one at Good Old Gold?

http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_75ct_f_si1_h%26a.htm

double b

 

[Gala139]

Thanks DoubleD--you made me feel great because I got my stone for a LOT less! Yippee! But tell me, ARE the specs weird or have I just been trolling on Pricescope too many hours?

 

[ame]

specs aren''t the end all be all. Going on just numbers doesn''t guarantee the best visual experience.

 

[Gala139]

Ame, you are so smart--I can drive myself batty with running the numbers instead of trusting my eyes--which told me the stone was BEAUTIFUL and the one I can imagine wearing for the next 50 years

 

[ame]

Date: 9/22/2005 12:55:29 PM
Author: Gala139
Ame, you are so smart--

Someday you will eat those words

IF you love it, it''s PERFECT.

 

[Kaleigh]

You can''t go by numbers alone. If YOU love it that''s all you need. Trust your eyes. And yes ame is one smart cookie, a little wacky at times, but smart.

 

[ame]

Only a little? no way. way more.

Thanks!

 

[valeria101]

Date: 9/21/2005 7:35:03 PM
Author: Gala139
Thanks, Ame--I can't run it through because I have crown height but not angle

Yes you can.. juts select % instead of 'angle' for the pavilion and crown measures...

...and the result is HCA=5 which is an imperfect result due to those averaged numers, senzitive percentages & all but basically not great news, whatever that means.

Since you have % but not angles, I suppose this diamond comes with an EGL report. Is it so?

And why rush? Do you have a personal deadline or these is some other reason? There are plenty of diamonds out there, of course.

What can I say: seeing it is the ultimate test, not these numbers. It would help compare this one with something known to be top cut. Is it feasible for you? F/SI2 that looks great in person also sounds like great news (i.e. colorless and clean looking with a potentially attractive price tag...). Not to mention the desirable weight close to 2cts.

Not sure this helps - unfortunately the critical info - how this looks in person - is not something you can show online

The HCA was not meant to outweigh visual inspection anyway, as far as I can tell. And that is why the tool has a brother - the IdealScope that could help communicate looks beyond numbers. Any chance you could try that or a H&A viewer? It could help compare this stone with others beyond reach locally, if anything.

There is a close contender listed here this one. You could compare what you have seen with the picture in question, but it takes slightly unusual viewing conditions to have a comparable impression (diffuse lighting and looking at the stone close up, straight down the table and either through some magnification device with a large field to see the whole stone in one shot or at least holding the diamond in the shadow on the two palms placed near / around it to reaveal the contrast pattern). Perhaps this sounds weird - seeing diamonds like that really makes them look uninteresting in person. If this is any consolation - there is no way to make them look worse than either the recipe above or the respective picture! (IMO, as usual).

PS: of course, if the diamonds at WF or elsewhere look appealing under such conditions, all for the better. That was comment was meaning no harm, really.

 

[Gala139]

Oh, Ana, thank you for your wisdom--I''ve been following your posts avidly and know you are in the know in a huge way! I admit that my heart sank when I read them, tho. I''m so confused and have to decide today. A friend who is a gemologist (GIA) looked at the stone with us and said it was awesome, but I''m putting a lot of weight on the cert, which is EGL (LA), as you guessed right. How can this stone look that damn good in person and be a 5? My heart hurts right now!

 

[valeria101]

Date: 9/22/2005 2:19:40 PM
Author: Gala139

How can this stone look that damn good in person and be a 5?

I no expert.... but my guess is that there is enough room for error in those stats to allow for that.

At worst, the stone cold be great, but miles from the best out there. But, really... if a diamond was really ugly anyone could tell (glassy, lifeless, packed with inclusions hazy - or something glaring like that) so we may not be taking 'miles' but very close proximity. In the end, yo are not buying it for submission to some cut award - it just needs to look good on itself (which your posts spell ou clearly) and stand comparison within reason (which I can't possibly tell, and the HCA can only tell if the numbers inserted there are true to nature enough, which is not a small 'IF' at all).

 

[Gala139]

It turns out that I can''t use the HCA on a EGL cert--the crown and pavilion figures are measurements in mm''s, not angles OR percentages. Does anyone know how to convert the measurements to angles or percentages? Thanks!

 

[mrssalvo]

I''m no expert, but if you LOVE this stone, who cares what it scores? You will be wearing it, looking at it not us. I''m not one to get caught up in the numbers if I love how it looks. Would you be sad to let this one go and purchase something else?

 

[Gala139]

Date: 9/22/2005 3:33:31 PM
Author: mrssalvo
I''m no expert, but if you LOVE this stone, who cares what it scores? You will be wearing it, looking at it not us. I''m not one to get caught up in the numbers if I love how it looks. Would you be sad to let this one go and purchase something else?

Heartbroken, MrsS, heartbroken! Thanks for that advice! I''m taking it!

 

[mrssalvo]

please post pics once you get it

 

[phoenixgirl]

Date: 9/22/2005 3:30:11 PM
Author: Gala139
It turns out that I can''t use the HCA on a EGL cert--the crown and pavilion figures are measurements in mm''s, not angles OR percentages. Does anyone know how to convert the measurements to angles or percentages? Thanks!

Au contrair, if the pavilion height were 44 millimeters, it sure wouldn''t explain how the height of the whole stone is less than 5. You were dealing with the percentages, and though they are less precise than angles, the 5 is a ballpark of your stone''s visual performance. Your eyes are the final judge, but I hope that was just a misinterpretation on your part and not misinformation on the part of the seller''s.

An EGL F SI2 would never ever compare price-wise to a H&A GIA FI SI1. We must compare like with like to ascertain the fair market price:

1.70 F SI2 EGL for $8500

1.71 F SI2 EGL for $7700