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[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Can you photograph the worst stone face on?

Do you have an ideal-scope QM - you can easily take a photo with one - it is very easy

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/23/2008 5:44:45 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Do you have an ideal-scope QM - you can easily take a photo with one - it is very easy

Unfortunately no.

Date: 5/23/2008 5:44:45 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Can you photograph the worst stone face on?

I will try to attach some. These aren''t the greatest. It''s hard to get good ones with my camera.

(I notice in these pictures the diamonds also show the color difference that I see. The appraiser said they are the same color, but to me they face up VERY differently. And to almost everyone I''ve asked.)

 

[Odilia]

another angle

 

[Odilia]

I think I meant to post this one - hopefully more straight on.

 

[Odilia]

this was one I just took now; sorry it is hard to capture exactly. Also, I can''t say that any particular diamond does it the worst, except that the larger ones (closer to center stone) have a smaller, more concentrated "spot", whereas the smaller diamond the spot is more spread out (when looking top-down at the center stone). Although if I turn the ring the other way (turning center stone away, such that I''m starting to look at the side of the ring), then there''s a more concentrated "spot" on the smaller stone on its other side, and it''s more spread out on the larger stone kind of.

And as I mentioned, the smaller stones look darker to me than the larger ones, very much so, even though they are supposedly all G/H in color.

 

[Odilia]

Don''t know if this picture helps any either, but again to me it at least shows the color difference that I always see.

 

[Odilia]

Trying in vain to get a good face-on shot. Here is my latest attempt; again mostly it only shows the color difference that I see IRL.

 

[Odilia]

try with flash:

 

[Odilia]

That''s the best I can do for now. If you have any tips on how to get a better face-on photo, let me know. I really appreciate your input!

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/23/2008 6:00:32 PM
Author: old-fashioned girl

Date: 5/23/2008 5:44:45 PM

Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Do you have an ideal-scope QM - you can easily take a photo with one - it is very easy

Unfortunately no.

Date: 5/23/2008 5:44:45 PM

Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Can you photograph the worst stone face on?

I will try to attach some. These aren't the greatest. It's hard to get good ones with my camera.


(I notice in these pictures the diamonds also show the color difference that I see. The appraiser said they are the same color, but to me they face up VERY differently. And to almost everyone I've asked.)

I noticed that in the picture I posted first, the smaller diamond has the "dark spot" showing, although in a different place than I see it when I look at the center stone face-down. But hopefully it gives you some more idea.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

QM I can not help with the colour differences other than suggest you check under a black light - if some stones are fluoro then they wil appear whiter in some lighting.

The table sizes in the smaller stones meausre up under 60% and that should not be a problem.

Can you have a jeweller ultrasonic and steam clean your ring?

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/23/2008 7:40:56 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
QM I can not help with the colour differences other than suggest you check under a black light - if some stones are fluoro then they wil appear whiter in some lighting.

That''s good to know. Because the appraiser did find that there was strong blue fluorescence in 1 stone on each side. Although it seems to me in both cases the smaller stone was darker, but in 1 case the smaller stone had SBF, while on the other side the larger stone had it. But hopefully it is still the reason why they look different to me. (Because I think my jeweler will swap out the stones w/ SBF.)

The table sizes in the smaller stones meausre up under 60% and that should not be a problem.

That helps to know. Thanks!

Can you have a jeweller ultrasonic and steam clean your ring?

The appraiser did that, and I still saw the spots. Plus I have an US at home, although not a steamer, but I always see the spots.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Afraid you need to replace them all then with all fluoro or all non fluoro to fix the colour, and diamonds selected with an ideal-scope QM.

It will drive you nuts otherwise

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/23/2008 10:16:28 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Afraid you need to replace them all then with all fluoro or all non fluoro to fix the colour, and diamonds selected with an ideal-scope QM.

It will drive you nuts otherwise

Hi OFG - I''m sorry about this saga you''re going through, I have been following your threads.
I''m sorry as this is probably not waht you want to hear, but is there any way you can just scrap the whole thing and start again..?
I can definately see what you''re worried about in the pics and it would p** me off - are you intent on this style? Can you swap out the stones as garry has said, or choose a new setting without too much financial loss?

Again I''m sorry and hope you can have it resolved soon hon..

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 5/23/2008 10:16:28 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Afraid you need to replace them all then with all fluoro or all non fluoro to fix the colour, and diamonds selected with an ideal-scope QM.

It will drive you nuts otherwise

not sure that is 100% of the answer because you have fairly large stones at a steep angle.
Unless one selected them at a tilt its possible its going to do it with most stones.
That''s why melee are small or the top of the ring is squared off or the stones mounted at an angle.

 

[strmrdr]

Using Garry''s theory here is the light return model for the dark zone.
This is for a modern tolk the model stone for an ideal cut.

 

[strmrdr]

steep deep would actualy be a little better,,,

 

[strmrdr]

face up IS of the steep deep.

 

[strmrdr]

to totally fix it you would need a diamond that returned light across the whole diamond in the directions of the arrows, that doesn''t exist in an RB as they are designed to return the light out the table and crown at a 90 degree angle to the crown.

 

[strmrdr]

this is how an RB is designed to return light.
Which is different than what is needed the way they are mounted.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/23/2008 11:59:41 PM
Author: strmrdr
Using Garry''s theory here is the light return model for the dark zone.
This is for a modern tolk the model stone for an ideal cut.

Strm, may I ask your opinion, as doesn''t this beg the question - why would a jeweler design this setting? If they knew much about diamonds at all than didn''t they realize what would happen?

 

[Ellen]

OFG, when are you meeting with Pete again?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 5/23/2008 11:59:41 PM
Author: strmrdr
Using Garry''s theory here is the light return model for the dark zone.
This is for a modern tolk the model stone for an ideal cut.

Turn the stone Storm, so you are looking out a set of lower girdle facets

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 5/24/2008 7:43:56 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 5/23/2008 11:59:41 PM
Author: strmrdr
Using Garry's theory here is the light return model for the dark zone.
This is for a modern tolk the model stone for an ideal cut.

Turn the stone Storm, so you are looking out a set of lower girdle facets

changed the backlight to red.
Can see the leakage pattern with a tolk at high tilt.

 

[strmrdr]

I think we are both right that leakage to the underside and direction of the light return are both issues at that tilt are both related issues and the problem.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 5/6/2008 12:43:41 PM
Author: old-fashioned girl

Date: 5/6/2008 12:16:30 PM
Author: Ellen
O, did he give an overall impression of the ring? And please refresh my memory, what color and cut were the side stones supposed to be?

He said it was pretty. He didn''t comment on workmanship quality, really. He did seem to think that I shouldn''t have gone with a hinged shank, as he has seen problems with them. (but again, I tried to ask about all the potential pitfalls beforehand, plus I probably would have bought an off-the-shelf ring at much lower cost had I known for sure that hinged shank wouldn''t work, but whatever...) He seemed to think the diamonds are in spec, which was H, SI1. He didn''t seem to see any significant difference in color between them, just the difference in fluorescence. I asked about the dark spots, and he just brushed that aside because diamonds do look different as the light changes. What bothers me is that they are so pronounced from the top-down, and something I have never noticed in other rings under the same conditions. In fact, when I look at other rings w/ sidestones, I have a hard time making them display those dark shadows. I don''t know why I didn''t notice them sooner, but I am slow; probably wouldn''t have made a difference anyway. But anyway, getting back to your question, he just measures, to the best that he can, whether the ring is platinum, whether my center stone matches my AGS certificate, and to the best that he can, specs of the mounted sidestones. And overall it seems to meet spec, I think. (Other than cut quality, don''t know how much he could tell mounted, but he said at one point, ''above average''. They were supposed to be near-ideal to ideal. Not sure how far off ''above average'' is, if at all.? (When I talk to him I''ll have to remember to ask him that. )

And he couldn''t say much about whether the semi-bezels need to cover so much of the diamonds for security, not being a jewelry maker.

I had tons of questions, but a lot of them he couldn''t answer definitively.

arjunajane: I highlighted the answer to your question in the above post.
It gets dismissed as they do that.

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/23/2008 10:33:46 PM
Author: arjunajane
Hi OFG - I''m sorry about this saga you''re going through, I have been following your threads.
I''m sorry as this is probably not waht you want to hear, but is there any way you can just scrap the whole thing and start again..?
I can definately see what you''re worried about in the pics and it would p** me off - are you intent on this style? Can you swap out the stones as garry has said, or choose a new setting without too much financial loss?

Again I''m sorry and hope you can have it resolved soon hon..

Thanks, arj. The only way to "can just scrap the whole thing and start again" would be if we could get a refund. Otherwise I am out big bucks for a platinum ring w/ mismatched (at least visually) sidestones & a very expensive Fingermate shank. I blew my reset budget on this, and made the mistake of going with a vendor who does not have a remake or refund policy. Big, big mistake. (Unless he would agree to a refund, after all.) As it is, I may still have to scrap the FM shank, hopefully he will at least refund that?, because he did not warn me that it might totally deform in less than a month, or that it might be too weak for this design. But in any case, if he won''t give a refund, I am stuck with just trying to make the best of this.

It has totally stressed me out and made me ill. I wish I''d never started this project at all. Or sooo wish I''d gone with a jeweler who will remake it, because if it is just the angle that the stones are set causing the problems, then he could remake it a different way. I would defnitely have chosen a different style altogether if I''d known of all the problems. I would have done things COMPLETELY differently had I forseen all of this. Plus I wish the jeweler could have warned me if the design would cause problems.

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/24/2008 12:21:12 AM
Author: strmrdr
this is how an RB is designed to return light.
Which is different than what is needed the way they are mounted.

I was afraid it might be something like this.
Are you referring to the dark spots, or the way they face up different colors, or both?
The only thing I don''t understand is, I have looked at Scott Kay rings & others that seem to be mounted at an angle similar to mine (and the Mark Morrell rings that it is similar to are as well - although I havent'' seen them in person), and they dont'' seem to have these effects. I wish I could post pictures but I can''t right now.

Also, second arj''s question: should the designer have known better than to set them this way? Should he have been able to forsee these problems?

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/24/2008 6:55:45 AM
Author: Ellen
OFG, when are you meeting with Pete again?

Wednesday. I hate that it has taken so long, but he wanted me to get the appraisal first, and then that took longer than anticipated. I am anxious to hear what can be done. This truly has been making me sick.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

OFG, I am just extremely sorry for what you are going through. I think this is a valuable lesson for any considering custom projects, though. I think it is a wise idea to go with PS vendors whenever possible, because they really seem to want to keep their reputations solid on here, and they usually go out of their way to keep people happy. I think MM and Maytal Hannah would be my two exceptions since they have rarely, if ever, had a complaint here.