Trump US FDA announces emergency authorization for convalescent plasma to treat Covid-19

[Tekate]

US FDA announces emergency authorization for convalescent plasma to treat Covid-19

The US Food and Drug Administration on Sunday issued an emergency use authorization for convalescent plasma to treat Covid-19, saying the "known and potential benefits of the product outweigh the known and potential risks of the product."

www.cnn.com

The US Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency use authorization for the use of convalescent plasma to treat Covid-19 on Sunday, saying the "known and potential benefits of the product outweigh the known and potential risks of the product."
The FDA said more than 70,000 patients had been treated convalescent plasma, made using the blood of people who have recovered from coronavirus infections.
"Today I am pleased to make a truly historic announcement in our battle against the China virus that will save countless lives," President Trump said at a White House briefing. "Today's action will dramatically increase access to this treatment."

 

[jaaron]

Finger crossed for good results.

However


And

 

[kenny]

"... the China virus ..."

 

[Dancing Fire]

"... the China virus ..."

Is the Trump virus according to Pelosi.

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

i don't know of a single person except President Trump who calls it the China virus

hope this treatment will save many lives

 

[AGBF]

It has been in use by doctors treating covid19 patients for months according to Dr Vin Gupta, a pulmonologist who spoke about it on MSNBC today. It is not a new miracle cure.

 

[Arcadian]

It has been in use by doctors treating covid19 patients for months according to Dr Vin Gupta, a pulmonologist who spoke about it on MSNBC today. It is not a new miracle cure.

Agreed, however this push allows this treatment to be used broadly and not as a last resort.

 

[seaurchin]

Oh look, another election stunt. Trump has no right to claim victory in ANYTHING to do with Trump Virus. He is the one who sneered at our top scientists for months and urged people to disregard attempts to stop it until we held first place in deaths from it in the first world.

Trump held Dr. Fauci up for contempt so much that Fauci requires private security over threats to his and his family's lives- for speaking the truth from an educated, public health standpoint. Total fascist BS.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Any good news about a treatment for the virus is bad news for the dems.

 

[Arcadian]

Oh look, another election stunt. Trump has no right to claim victory in ANYTHING to do with Trump Virus. He is the one who sneered at our top scientists for months and urged people to disregard attempts to stop it until we held first place in deaths from it in the first world.

Trump held Dr. Fauci up for contempt so much that Fauci requires private security over threats to his and his family's lives- for speaking the truth from an educated, public health standpoint. Total fascist BS.

An election stunt, maybe but did it change your mind? If not, then it didn't work on you.
The reality is that lines have already been drawn, highly unlikely that the voting population will change its mind at this stage in the game.

Someone that hates trump and not voting for him will keep that going. Likewise someone who dosen't think he's "that bad" will continue to think so.

this is not an election of "undecided" voters in my view.

I personally don't care why he did it, I'm just glad he did.

 

[seaurchin]

The truth is the truth is the truth. Trump has already proven both his willingness to promote untested and snake oil "cures" to help his election chances only and also his total disregard of how many Americans die because of his corrupt lunacy. He has already proven -repeatedly and quite obviously- that he can't be trusted.

We don't know how many people will change their minds if they hear enough of the truth nor how many will need to in order to get this criminal fascist out of office.

I, for one, will continue to speak the truth before it's too late and not be "grateful" for any more of authoritarian sociopath Trump's obvious BS.

 

[jaaron]

Any good news about a treatment for the virus is bad news for the dems.

Sigh. You're so right. Because no Democratic voter or politician knows, loves or cares about anyone who had or might have the virus. Over on team blue, we're all rooting for death and economic ruin. We want to die and/or have our loved ones die needlessly so that Trump will lose.

The lack of logic is astounding.

P.S. Or maybe we just want a president who doesn't lie so much it's a wonder he hasn't incinerated in a gibbering pile of flame, so we can have faith and trust that any treatments he might bring to our attention are actual treatments and not political stunts?

 

[Arcadian]

The truth is the truth is the truth. Trump has already proven both his willingness to promote untested and snake oil "cures" to help his election chances only and also his total disregard of how many Americans die because of his corrupt lunacy. He has already proven -repeatedly and quite obviously- that he can't be trusted.

We don't know how many people will change their minds if they hear enough of the truth nor how many will need to in order to get this criminal fascist out of office.

I, for one, will continue to speak the truth before it's too late and not be "grateful" for any more of authoritarian sociopath Trump's obvious BS.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

When this was being done in NY, it was considered absolutely fantastic, it was and is saving lives. Trump puts his name on it and the immediate knee jerk reaction is that its snake oil.

Listen, you do you, I'm not going to argue with you about it.

But I'm going to be upfront; Satan could have rubber stamped this lifesaving and very safe procedure and I'd still be onboard.

this.is.about.saving.lives because too many have already been needlessly lost.

Hell its the reason why I'm even doing the vaccine study. One life saved is a life not lost to this shit.

I, personally I, am looking at the pure science behind this. There is very little to be lost by giving someone plasma and a heck of a lot to gain.

 

[jaaron]

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

When this was being done in NY, it was considered absolutely fantastic, it was and is saving lives. Trump puts his name on it and the immediate knee jerk reaction is that its snake oil.

Listen, you do you, I'm not going to argue with you about it.

But I'm going to be upfront; Satan could have rubber stamped this lifesaving and very safe procedure and I'd still be onboard.

this.is.about.saving.lives because too many have already been needlessly lost.

Hell its the reason why I'm even doing the vaccine study. One life saved is a life not lost to this shit.

I, personally I, am looking at the pure science behind this. There is very little to be lost by giving someone plasma and a heck of a lot to gain.

I agree with you on the importance of every life saved, and thank you for doing the vaccine study-- I'm humbled by someone who so clearly puts their values into practice, even at potential cost.

The problem for me is that if you're looking at the pure science, the rush to roll it out might actually impede what we know about its effectiveness. Factors such as age of the patient, severity and/or stage of the illness, could have a huge impact on its effectiveness. Without that controlled data, we might be squandering a treatment that's already in relatively short supply.

Additionally, my memory (which could be faulty) is that some Ebola patients were worsened by plasma.

Interesting article.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02324-2

 

[seaurchin]

Trump is not qualified to push the FDA into anything before it's deemed ready and he is obviously only doing it for political gain.

There is good reason for the process. Unproven cures can be more deadly than the thing they're supposed to be curing.

Trump is not a scientist. He's done enough damage pretending he is, then playing the victim when he's rightfully called on it. How many more lives do we need to unnecessarily lose before everyone gets it? Let the scientists be the scientists, NOT the politicians.

 

[Arcadian]

I agree with you on the importance of every life saved, and thank you for doing the vaccine study-- I'm humbled by someone who so clearly puts their values into practice, even at potential cost.

The problem for me is that if you're looking at the pure science, the rush to roll it out might actually impede what we know about its effectiveness. Factors such as age of the patient, severity and/or stage of the illness, could have a huge impact on its effectiveness. Without that controlled data, we might be squandering a treatment that's already in relatively short supply.

Additionally, my memory (which could be faulty) is that some Ebola patients were worsened by plasma.

Interesting article.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02324-2

I can agree with you that its a rush to roll out. But lots of things are rushing to roll out. When NY decided to use this method to bring down their death toll, I'm sure they also had to take into account the above things you had mentioned.

But we have to start somewhere, and while the data on Covid continues to evolve, we do know that plasma therapy has helped at least a very good majority of those that received it.

Plasma in and of itself is a human blood product, meaning its going to be expensive to get. My feeling is that even with broad availability it is and will be a last line therapy. The expense of procuring it will make it so.

Personally I'd consider it safer than some of the other experimental therapies that had been used, including venting.

The reality is, lots of things are being fast tracked right now including the vaccines. Flu vaccine A very long time before it gained wide acceptance and only then because of some particularly nasty strains that were out there. Covid will take about 18 months, stem to stern. That track is on fire frankly. Blood therapies can and do work for a great majority of viruses and even some cancers with varying degrees of success.

Thank you for the linked article.

this comes from another source with linked study in JAMA

Plasma transfusion shows promise for COVID-19 treatment, says China study - UPI.com

Donor blood plasma from people who have recovered from COVID-19 appears to work as a treatment for the virus, a new analysis has revealed.

www.upi.com

 

[Arcadian]

Trump is not qualified to push the FDA into anything before it's deemed ready and he is obviously only doing it for political gain.

There is good reason for the process. Unproven cures can be more deadly than the thing they're supposed to be curing.

Trump is not a scientist. He's done enough damage pretending he is, then playing the victim when he's rightfully called on it. How many more lives do we need to unnecessarily lose before everyone gets it? Let the scientists be the scientists, NOT the politicians.

What I do agree with is that Mr Trump is by no stretch of anyone's imagination, a scientist....lol I will also agree that he stepped on his own dick and damaged the reputation of our scientists at the federal level.

But where we will not agree is this particular area of this particular EO.

And thats OK.

PAX?

 

[jaaron]

I can agree with you that its a rush to roll out. But lots of things are rushing to roll out. When NY decided to use this method to bring down their death toll, I'm sure they also had to take into account the above things you had mentioned.

But we have to start somewhere, and while the data on Covid continues to evolve, we do know that plasma therapy has helped at least a very good majority of those that received it.

Plasma in and of itself is a human blood product, meaning its going to be expensive to get. My feeling is that even with broad availability it is and will be a last line therapy. The expense of procuring it will make it so.

Personally I'd consider it safer than some of the other experimental therapies that had been used, including venting.

The reality is, lots of things are being fast tracked right now including the vaccines. Flu vaccine A very long time before it gained wide acceptance and only then because of some particularly nasty strains that were out there. Covid will take about 18 months, stem to stern. That track is on fire frankly. Blood therapies can and do work for a great majority of viruses and even some cancers with varying degrees of success.

Thank you for the linked article.

this comes from another source with linked study in JAMA

Plasma transfusion shows promise for COVID-19 treatment, says China study - UPI.com

Donor blood plasma from people who have recovered from COVID-19 appears to work as a treatment for the virus, a new analysis has revealed.

www.upi.com

I don't hugely disagree with you. I just worry about this kind of wholesale grabbing at anything slightly promising in what looks like an attempt to mollify a frightened electorate. I don't necessarily disagree with fast-tracking on this either, but there's a halfway point between establishing some criteria for use (basics of when it's been effective) and mooting it as a cure-all.

A later, larger sample in China also didn't bear out the early encouraging results. Still not a large or well-controlled enough study for definitive conclusion, unfortunately.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...oquine-doesnt-prevent-infection-idUSKBN23A34B

 

[AGBF]

F.D.A. ‘Grossly Misrepresented’ Blood Plasma Data, Scientists Say (Published 2020)

Many experts — including a scientist who worked on the Mayo Clinic study — were bewildered about where a key statistic came from.

www.nytimes.com

 

[AGBF]

I will not trust a vaccine approved by the FDA given how they caved in to Donald Trump over his pressure over the blood plasma. If lead scientists say a vaccine study cut corners, but the FDA will say whatever Trump wants, who can say what the vaccine will do to people?

 

[Dancing Fire]

I wouldn't take a vaccine shot even when it becomes available.

 

[AGBF]

I wouldn't take a vaccine shot even when it becomes available.

But since you never get vaccines (unless required by law, I assume), you are not representative of a person who has been influenced about how much he can trust the FDA now.

 

[scouty]

I'll take Covid-19 vaccine advice from this guy, not the FDA

 

[Demon]

If the FDA is now being pressured by Trump, I'm not willing to be an early guinea pig.

 

[scouty]

If the FDA is now being pressured by Trump, I'm not willing to be an early guinea pig.

Bully-in-Chief

 

[Demon]

Bully-in-Chief

Sad that we now have to look more skeptically at both the CDC and FDA.

I love your avatar. Pad?

 

[scouty]

Sad that we now have to look more skeptically at both the CDC and FDA.

I love your avatar. Pad?

thank you! and yes, from Gary at Finewater

 

[Demon]

thank you! and yes, from Gary at Finewater

Gorgeous!

 

[Dancing Fire]

Everyone wanted a treatment as soon as possible but now the left don't trust this plasma treatment.

 

[Demon]

Everyone wanted a treatment as soon as possible but now the left don't trust this plasma treatment.

Not when its being misrepresented.

Hahn has previously mischaracterized scientific findings to support Trump administration talking points. In March, he touted a study out of China that he told NPR's Morning Edition showed coronavirus tests developed in that country were of poor quality. In fact, as NPR reported, he misrepresented the paper's findings, based on a cryptically worded scientific abstract that summarized the paper. The actual research had in fact already been retracted.

FDA's Hahn Apologizes For Overselling Plasma's Benefits As A COVID-19 Treatment

The Food and Drug Administration's chief said Sunday the therapy reduces deaths among COVID-19 patients by 35%. On Monday he apologized, acknowledging that statistic greatly exaggerates any benefit.

www.npr.org