Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jong Un

[kenny]

Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, has faced an unusual amount of criticism from foreign leaders — in large part because of his combative tone and unorthodox policy suggestions.
This week, however, he found an unlikely international voice of support — in North Korean state media.

State outlet DPRK Today published an editorial Tuesday that called the business mogul a "wise politician" and said he could be good for North Korea.
“There are many positive aspects to Trump’s ‘inflammatory policies,' ” the author of the article wrote, according to a translation from NK News.
“Trump said he will not get involved in the war between the South and the North, isn’t this fortunate from North Korea’s perspective?”

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/31/north-korean-state-media-offers-support-for-wise-politician-donald-trump/

 

[monarch64]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

You know what's crazy? That the few people I know who support Trump NEVER post anything positive about him or his would-be policies. It's ALL mud-slinging, negative crap about his opponents. And I have yet to see a single well-thought-out, intelligent statement of their reasoning as to why they support him. Disclaimer: I'm not talking about anything posted by members here. I'm talking about social media. It is truly bizarre, and frankly, frightening.

I have a confession. In 2010, I made a really flip comment to my husband (then fiancé) that perhaps Trump should run for POTUS just to shake things up. And I smirked. I was pissed about the ACA, although I supported first HRC and then Obama in 2008. I am so sorry I said that, and I wish I could take it back. It is seriously one of my regrets in life, and I don't say that lightly because I don't regret much, if anything.

I don't want to wish away the nice weather and summer growing season, but man I cannot wait for November because I am anxious as hell to get to the polls and vote for literally anyone but Trump.

 

[AGBF]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

I have a confession. In 2010, I made a really flip comment to my husband (then fiancé) that perhaps Trump should run for POTUS just to shake things up. And I smirked. I was pissed about the ACA, although I supported first HRC and then Obama in 2008. I am so sorry I said that, and I wish I could take it back. It is seriously one of my regrets in life, and I don't say that lightly because I don't regret much, if anything.

Wow. That's truly huge, Monnie. I had no idea you caused his candidacy. Your words must be very powerful. I'm not sure I will be able to forgive you if Trump wins. After all, you, personally, may have ruined the United States of America.

 

[momhappy]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

What I don't understand is the double-standard. All this talk about Trump supporters, but why does no one address the growing issues with Trump protestors?
Trump is blamed for promoting violence, aggression, etc. (and I agree that yes, he does indeed promote these things, which is definitely NOT qualities that I want to see in a presidential candidate and the main reason why I will not be voting for him), but most of what I've seen lately is the violence, hatred, aggression by the Trump protestors. I've read all about about how Trump supporters are ignorant idiots (and that's putting it mildly compared to some of the other labels I've heard) but what of the people who violently attack them? They are no better and I don't think it's fair to to continue to ignore it. They hold up signs in one hand about peace, diversity, etc., while punching someone in the face with the other hand

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/02/trump_supporter_left_bleeding_after_being_attacked_by_mob_in_san_jose.html

As far as the topic at hand, I can't say that I'm surprised by the statements of Kim Jung Un - saddened, but not surprised.

 

[AGBF]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

What I don't understand is the double-standard. All this talk about Trump supporters, but why does no one address the growing issues with Trump protestors?
Trump is blamed for promoting violence, aggression, etc. (and I agree that yes, he does indeed promote these things, which is definitely NOT qualities that I want to see in a presidential candidate and the main reason why I will not be voting for him), but most of what I've seen lately is the violence, hatred, aggression by the Trump protestors. I've read all about about how Trump supporters are ignorant idiots (and that's putting it mildly compared to some of the other labels I've heard) but what of the people who violently attack them? They are no better and I don't think it's fair to to continue to ignore it. They hold up signs in one hand about peace, diversity, etc., while punching someone in the face with the other hand

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/02/trump_supporter_left_bleeding_after_being_attacked_by_mob_in_san_jose.html

As far as the topic at hand, I can't say that I'm surprised by the statements of Kim Jung Un - saddened, but not surprised.

Hi, momhappy-

My first instincts when I read this were not very Quaker-ish. (You may or may not have read that my parents were Quakers from the time I was a teenager and completely against violence. My father still is.) My first impulse was to feel that the Trump supporters were neo-Nazi racists supporting someone whom it was a duty to bring down and that, therefore, the protestors pelting them with eggs were standing up for the real American values of fairness and equality.

My second instincts kicked in quickly, however. Charles M. Blow, who is a regular contributor to the Op.ed page of, "The New York Times" wrote a column about this about a month ago. I may go see if I can find it after I finish writing. Mr. Blow, who is a person of color (and whose son, who goes to Yale, was attacked by a policeman because he was mistaken for a black man who had committed a crime about a year ago), remains cool and thoughtful as always. If I understand him correctly, he feels that Donald Trump's candidacy is a good thing because it brings to the fore a lot of the hidden grievances that some people have had toward Barack Obama for many years and some simmering, hidden racist feelings. He feels that it is better out in the open where it can be dealt with.

I will go look for the piece he wrote, which-unlike my stumbling around here-is truly eloquent.

Deb

 

[liaerfbv]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

What I don't understand is the double-standard. All this talk about Trump supporters, but why does no one address the growing issues with Trump protestors?
Trump is blamed for promoting violence, aggression, etc. (and I agree that yes, he does indeed promote these things, which is definitely NOT qualities that I want to see in a presidential candidate and the main reason why I will not be voting for him), but most of what I've seen lately is the violence, hatred, aggression by the Trump protestors. I've read all about about how Trump supporters are ignorant idiots (and that's putting it mildly compared to some of the other labels I've heard) but what of the people who violently attack them? They are no better and I don't think it's fair to to continue to ignore it. They hold up signs in one hand about peace, diversity, etc., while punching someone in the face with the other hand

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/02/trump_supporter_left_bleeding_after_being_attacked_by_mob_in_san_jose.html

As far as the topic at hand, I can't say that I'm surprised by the statements of Kim Jung Un - saddened, but not surprised.

Ironic when the media covers negative aspects of Trump, you're quick to blame the media for the problem... but when violence occurs at a Trump rally -- no one is covering the REAL ISSUE of their VIOLENT ATTACKERS.

Really?

 

[momhappy]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

What I don't understand is the double-standard. All this talk about Trump supporters, but why does no one address the growing issues with Trump protestors?
Trump is blamed for promoting violence, aggression, etc. (and I agree that yes, he does indeed promote these things, which is definitely NOT qualities that I want to see in a presidential candidate and the main reason why I will not be voting for him), but most of what I've seen lately is the violence, hatred, aggression by the Trump protestors. I've read all about about how Trump supporters are ignorant idiots (and that's putting it mildly compared to some of the other labels I've heard) but what of the people who violently attack them? They are no better and I don't think it's fair to to continue to ignore it. They hold up signs in one hand about peace, diversity, etc., while punching someone in the face with the other hand

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/02/trump_supporter_left_bleeding_after_being_attacked_by_mob_in_san_jose.html

As far as the topic at hand, I can't say that I'm surprised by the statements of Kim Jung Un - saddened, but not surprised.

Hi, momhappy-

My first instincts when I read this were not very Quaker-ish. (You may or may not have read that my parents were Quakers from the time I was a teenager and completely against violence. My father still is.) My first impulse was to feel that the Trump supporters were neo-Nazi racists supporting someone whom it was a duty to bring down and that, therefore, the protestors pelting them with eggs were standing up for the real American values of fairness and equality.

My second instincts kicked in quickly, however. Charles M. Blow, who is a regular contributor to the Op.ed page of, "The New York Times" wrote a column about this about a month ago. I may go see if I can find it after I finish writing. Mr. Blow, who is a person of color (and whose son, who goes to Yale, was attacked by a policeman because he was mistaken for a black man who had committed a crime about a year ago), remains cool and thoughtful as always. If I understand him correctly, he feels that Donald Trump's candidacy is a good thing because it brings to the fore a lot of the hidden grievances that some people have had toward Barack Obama for many years and some simmering, hidden racist feelings. He feels that it is better out in the open where it can be dealt with.

I will go look for the piece he wrote, which-unlike my stumbling around here-is truly eloquent.

Deb

Deb - thank you for your response I would be interested to read the article. I can understand how it might be considered "healthy" to get things out in the open and deal with them, but it still doesn't justify the behaviors/actions.
I've read articles about how Trump has created the atmosphere of violence and that's what makes it okay. I disagree. Everyone is responsible for their own behaviors/actions. I would not condone violence from a trump supporter any more than I would a Trump protester. I realize that these types of posts make me sound like a Trump supporter and I can understand why. I am not, however, a Trump supporter, but I see this double-standard and it just doesn't sit right with me. I'm all about calling out violent, ignorant behaviors, but let's be fair and acknowledge that those types of behaviors can exist on both sides.

 

[momhappy]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

What I don't understand is the double-standard. All this talk about Trump supporters, but why does no one address the growing issues with Trump protestors?
Trump is blamed for promoting violence, aggression, etc. (and I agree that yes, he does indeed promote these things, which is definitely NOT qualities that I want to see in a presidential candidate and the main reason why I will not be voting for him), but most of what I've seen lately is the violence, hatred, aggression by the Trump protestors. I've read all about about how Trump supporters are ignorant idiots (and that's putting it mildly compared to some of the other labels I've heard) but what of the people who violently attack them? They are no better and I don't think it's fair to to continue to ignore it. They hold up signs in one hand about peace, diversity, etc., while punching someone in the face with the other hand

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/02/trump_supporter_left_bleeding_after_being_attacked_by_mob_in_san_jose.html

As far as the topic at hand, I can't say that I'm surprised by the statements of Kim Jung Un - saddened, but not surprised.

Ironic when the media covers negative aspects of Trump, you're quick to blame the media for the problem... but when violence occurs at a Trump rally -- no one is covering the REAL ISSUE of their VIOLENT ATTACKERS.

Really?

I don't blame the media entirely. Trump has many negative attributes that only he is responsible for, but the media loves to stir the pot. I think the media is responsible in part for encouraging Trump's popularity (because even bad publicity is still publicity). This country obviously has an issue with violence/anger/hatred and I don't think the blame falls on any one variable. Trump has obviously exacerbated those feelings, but there are so many other issues.

 

[House Cat]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

You know what's crazy? That the few people I know who support Trump NEVER post anything positive about him or his would-be policies. It's ALL mud-slinging, negative crap about his opponents. And I have yet to see a single well-thought-out, intelligent statement of their reasoning as to why they support him. Disclaimer: I'm not talking about anything posted by members here. I'm talking about social media. It is truly bizarre, and frankly, frightening.

I have a confession. In 2010, I made a really flip comment to my husband (then fiancé) that perhaps Trump should run for POTUS just to shake things up. And I smirked. I was pissed about the ACA, although I supported first HRC and then Obama in 2008. I am so sorry I said that, and I wish I could take it back. It is seriously one of my regrets in life, and I don't say that lightly because I don't regret much, if anything.

I don't want to wish away the nice weather and summer growing season, but man I cannot wait for November because I am anxious as hell to get to the polls and vote for literally anyone but Trump.

AAAAHHHHH!!!!

You invoked the beast!!!!!

 

[monarch64]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

I have a confession. In 2010, I made a really flip comment to my husband (then fiancé) that perhaps Trump should run for POTUS just to shake things up. And I smirked. I was pissed about the ACA, although I supported first HRC and then Obama in 2008. I am so sorry I said that, and I wish I could take it back. It is seriously one of my regrets in life, and I don't say that lightly because I don't regret much, if anything.

Wow. That's truly huge, Monnie. I had no idea you caused his candidacy. Your words must be very powerful. I'm not sure I will be able to forgive you if Trump wins. After all, you, personally, may have ruined the United States of America.

I regret SAYING it, Deb. SAYING it!

 

[monarch64]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

You know what's crazy? That the few people I know who support Trump NEVER post anything positive about him or his would-be policies. It's ALL mud-slinging, negative crap about his opponents. And I have yet to see a single well-thought-out, intelligent statement of their reasoning as to why they support him. Disclaimer: I'm not talking about anything posted by members here. I'm talking about social media. It is truly bizarre, and frankly, frightening.

I have a confession. In 2010, I made a really flip comment to my husband (then fiancé) that perhaps Trump should run for POTUS just to shake things up. And I smirked. I was pissed about the ACA, although I supported first HRC and then Obama in 2008. I am so sorry I said that, and I wish I could take it back. It is seriously one of my regrets in life, and I don't say that lightly because I don't regret much, if anything.

I don't want to wish away the nice weather and summer growing season, but man I cannot wait for November because I am anxious as hell to get to the polls and vote for literally anyone but Trump.

AAAAHHHHH!!!!

You invoked the beast!!!!!

No, no, I only said his name ONCE. It's 3 times for an invocation! It couldn't have been me.

 

[momhappy]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

I think there are others who felt that way - that maybe Trump could shake things up - but I don't think anyone could have predicted exactly what that meant. It's one of those be-careful-what-you-wish-for things. We won't blame you monarch

 

[monarch64]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

I think there are others who felt that way - that maybe Trump could shake things up - but I don't think anyone could have predicted exactly what that meant. It's one of those be-careful-what-you-wish-for things. We won't blame you monarch

Yeah. I meant it as a joke even at the time, but I still feel bad for saying it. My level of political involvement and knowledge has increased drastically since then. I guess what I really regret is being less informed than I should have been. Back then all I knew about him was related to his wives and children and that he was sort of a tycoon-slash-buffoon with terrible hair.

 

[momhappy]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

^well, not much has changed. He's still a tycoon-slash-buffoon with terrible hair (although, maybe more of a buffoon than tycoon) I still can barley believe that he's made it this far Shaking things up is one thing, but making it to the ballot is another. What a crazy world we live in

 

[AGBF]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

Charles M. Blow, who is a regular contributor to the Op.ed page of, "The New York Times" wrote a column about this about a month ago. I may go see if I can find it after I finish writing. Mr. Blow, who is a person of color (and whose son, who goes to Yale, was attacked by a policeman because he was mistaken for a black man who had committed a crime about a year ago), remains cool and thoughtful as always. If I understand him correctly, he feels that Donald Trump's candidacy is a good thing because it brings to the fore a lot of the hidden grievances that some people have had toward Barack Obama for many years and some simmering, hidden racist feelings. He feels that it is better out in the open where it can be dealt with.

I will go look for the piece he wrote, which-unlike my stumbling around here-is truly eloquent.

Deb - thank you for your response I would be interested to read the article. I can understand how it might be considered "healthy" to get things out in the open and deal with them, but it still doesn't justify the behaviors/actions.

Mr. Blow was not justifying violent behavior, as you will read. On the contrary, he writes that violence is never justified. But, as I said, he is a far better writer than I am. I will quote just a couple of lines, then let you read the rest of his by-line yourself.

"How is it that anyone could support a man who has made the assertions, both personal and political, that Trump has?

And yet, many people do support him. For many, he is giving public voice to private thought. Trump has not so much planted a sentiment as surfaced one that already existed.

How could this man become the presidential nominee of a major party? How is it that he stands an actual chance of becoming president? What does it say about us?

The answers to these questions are terrifying to contemplate, but contemplate them we must, with all their attendant anxieties, which are no doubt amplified among portions of the population who have been targets of Trump’s dangerous rhetoric."

(italics mine)

"Violence Is Never The Answer"...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/opinion/violence-is-never-the-answer.html

 

[momhappy]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

Thank you for sharing, AGBF It was a good read. It's interesting because he wrote that he must wonder what lurks in their (Trump supporters) hearts, but when I saw the images this morning of the Trump protestors in San Jose, I wondered the same thing - what must lurk in their hearts to run up and punch someone in the face, or to swing a (full) shopping bag at the side of someone's head, or to pelt a woman with eggs/food/bottles..... And, yes, I acknowledge that the anger/hatred/violence/ignorance flows from the other side (Trump supporters) too, so I'm not saying that any one group is any worse and/or better than the other.

 

[kenny]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

It wouldn't surprise me if the violent anti-trump folks were actually trump supporters ... shills.

 

[monarch64]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

It wouldn't surprise me if the violent anti-trump folks were actually trump supporters ... shills.

Exactly. There are a lot of theatrics involved in politics. There are also a lot of aggressive a-holes in every group.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

It wouldn't surprise me if the violent anti-trump folks were actually trump supporters ... shills.

And Kenny is one of them...

 

[kenny]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

It wouldn't surprise me if the violent anti-trump folks were actually trump supporters ... shills.

And Kenny is one of them...

Shhh.
Our little secret.

 

[AGBF]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

It's interesting because he wrote that he must wonder what lurks in their (Trump supporters) hearts, but when I saw the images this morning of the Trump protestors in San Jose, I wondered the same thing - what must lurk in their hearts to run up and punch someone in the face, or to swing a (full) shopping bag at the side of someone's head, or to pelt a woman with eggs/food/bottles.....

i think that the reason we always end up on opposite sides of this debate, momhappy, is is that I have absolutely NO trouble wondering what must lurk in the heart of Trump protestors who resort to violence. Although I agree with Mr. Blow that violence is not the answer and that we must get to the root of the problems that are causing so many people to feel dissatisfied and to want a Donald Trump, I completely understand why the protestors would be riled to violence by Trump.

Donald Trump is an angry man who stands for nothing positive (as Monnie said above) and who only engages people who want to protest against something. He has no coherent ideas, no set of morals, no political philosophy which binds people to him. The only thing he has with which to draw followers is his blunder and bluster and anger and pomposity. He is devoid of ability to govern or manage an economy (read Paul Krugman on the differences between a corporation and a government where economic decisions come back to affect the economy}. Intellectually, the man is a zero. He is another George W. Bush, but he doesn't have the same political connections as Bush or the knowledge that sometimes one has to pick up the phone and call dad's buddies. He is a nuclear war waiting to happen.

He attacks people, momhappy, and they do not like it. That is why they throw eggs at his supporters. He calls people dirty names and treats them with disrespect. He is a bully. People do not like bullies and people that call them names and put them down.

 

[packrat]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

Honest to pete at some point we need to be able to rise above shit. Seriously. Everyone. Not just one side and not just a few. Every last damn one of us.

I've never *seen* such a lot of justifiers and finger pointers, as the people of this country.

 

[momhappy]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

Twice you've referenced throwing eggs, AGBF, so I'm curios, did you actually click on the link I posted in the beginning? This is not just about throwing eggs. It's about making people bleed.... To blame this sort of behavior on Trump is an excuse and a poor one at that. It is clear that some Trump protestors are no better than those they protest, but somehow, one is more justifiable than the other. Yes, Trump attacks people, Trump is mean, Trump is a bully, Trump calls people names and treats them disrespectfully, but guess what? Trump protestors do those things too and I'll never understand the double-standard.
Again, I thank you for your replies, Deb. I know we don't see eye-to-eye on some things, but I still enjoy reading your posts

 

[monarch64]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

Twice you've referenced throwing eggs, AGBF, so I'm curios, did you actually click on the link I posted in the beginning? This is not just about throwing eggs. It's about making people bleed.... To blame this sort of behavior on Trump is an excuse and a poor one at that. It is clear that some Trump protestors are no better than those they protest, but somehow, one is more justifiable than the other. Yes, Trump attacks people, Trump is mean, Trump is a bully, Trump calls people names and treats them disrespectfully, but guess what? Trump protestors do those things too and I'll never understand the double-standard.
Again, I thank you for your replies, Deb. I know we don't see eye-to-eye on some things, but I still enjoy reading your posts

Neither Trump's nor his protesters' behavior can be justified. I think the difference lies in the fact that as a potential POTUS, Trump should be setting the example. When you have a government in which the "common" people vote for ONE person to hold the highest executive office, the feeling tends to be that the only way some common voices can be heard is by force and primitive behavior. Trump incites fear and riotous behavior. Does Clinton? I have yet to see reports of her protesters acting violently, but I could have missed them. I miss a lot!

 

[momhappy]

Re: Trump supporters welcome your comrade, N.Korea's Kim Jon

Twice you've referenced throwing eggs, AGBF, so I'm curios, did you actually click on the link I posted in the beginning? This is not just about throwing eggs. It's about making people bleed.... To blame this sort of behavior on Trump is an excuse and a poor one at that. It is clear that some Trump protestors are no better than those they protest, but somehow, one is more justifiable than the other. Yes, Trump attacks people, Trump is mean, Trump is a bully, Trump calls people names and treats them disrespectfully, but guess what? Trump protestors do those things too and I'll never understand the double-standard.
Again, I thank you for your replies, Deb. I know we don't see eye-to-eye on some things, but I still enjoy reading your posts

Neither Trump's nor his protesters' behavior can be justified. I think the difference lies in the fact that as a potential POTUS, Trump should be setting the example. When you have a government in which the "common" people vote for ONE person to hold the highest executive office, the feeling tends to be that the only way some common voices can be heard is by force and primitive behavior. Trump incites fear and riotous behavior. Does Clinton? I have yet to see reports of her protesters acting violently, but I could have missed them. I miss a lot!

Maybe it's theatrics
Just trying to lighten the mood