Trump keeps another company in the US

[ruby59]

Mr. Trump prevented Ford from moving its plant to Mexico

http://www.aol.com/article/finance/2017/01/03/ford-cancels-1-6-billion-mexican-plant/21646546/

 

[Tekate]

Mr. Trump prevented Ford from moving its plant to Mexico

http://www.aol.com/article/finance/2017/01/03/ford-cancels-1-6-billion-mexican-plant/21646546/

This sounds as though it's a setup and Trump knew before, have you ever heard a company head say that they were doing something to show faith in the president?

Quid pro quo?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-02/ford-open-to-making-deals-with-trump-on-keeping-jobs-ceo-says

 

[redwood66]

Mr. Trump prevented Ford from moving its plant to Mexico

http://www.aol.com/article/finance/2017/01/03/ford-cancels-1-6-billion-mexican-plant/21646546/

This sounds as though it's a setup and Trump knew before, have you ever heard a company head say that they were doing something to show faith in the president?

Quid pro quo?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-02/ford-open-to-making-deals-with-trump-on-keeping-jobs-ceo-says

Who cares if it benefits the US and its workers for once? Wasn't the point to keeping manufacturing here?

 

[Dancing Fire]

Ruby
You are just waiting your time, b/c in the eyes of the liberals anything that Trump do is a negative effect to our country. IMO, If he can put Americans back to work again then he could become a great leader. Creating millions of new jobs will solve a lot of problems in this country.

 

[ruby59]

Ruby
You are just waiting your time, b/c in the eyes of the liberals anything that Trump do is a negative effect to our country. IMO, If he can put Americans back to work again then he could become a great leader. Creating millions of new jobs will solve a lot of problems in this country.

I thought posting articles such as this would at least earn him the benefit of the doubt.

But I guess anything posted here is going to be turned into a negative.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Ruby
You are just waiting your time, b/c in the eyes of the liberals anything that Trump do is a negative effect to our country. IMO, If he can put Americans back to work again then he could become a great leader. Creating millions of new jobs will solve a lot of problems in this country.

I thought posting articles such as this would at least earn him the benefit of the doubt.

But I guess anything posted here is going to be turned into a negative.

What do you expect?? with 77% liberals posting on PS...

 

[Matata]

Whatever he can do to create living wage jobs is fine with me. He is not an advocate of labor unions and the first thing I wondered was whether those Ford plant workers who make between $20-$30 an hour will still have a union and their current hourly rate after Trump takes office.

 

[ruby59]

Ruby
You are just waiting your time, b/c in the eyes of the liberals anything that Trump do is a negative effect to our country. IMO, If he can put Americans back to work again then he could become a great leader. Creating millions of new jobs will solve a lot of problems in this country.

I thought posting articles such as this would at least earn him the benefit of the doubt.

But I guess anything posted here is going to be turned into a negative.

What do you expect?? with 77% liberals posting on PS...

I did not realize liberals were that rigid in their thinking.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Ruby
You are just waiting your time, b/c in the eyes of the liberals anything that Trump do is a negative effect to our country. IMO, If he can put Americans back to work again then he could become a great leader. Creating millions of new jobs will solve a lot of problems in this country.

I thought posting articles such as this would at least earn him the benefit of the doubt.

But I guess anything posted here is going to be turned into a negative.

What do you expect?? with 77% liberals posting on PS...

I did not realize liberals were that rigid in their thinking.

They are a feisty bunch here but I still love them...

 

[smitcompton]

Hi,

The Pres. of Ford gave an interview this morning. He stated that the demand for smaller cars, which is why the Mexican plant, 1s much less than the Co. thought. Added to that if tariffs come into play the import to the US would increase the cost of the cars. Ford gets 80% of it Revenues from the US. and builds most ofthem here. It was not a hard decision for them.

Labor costs here 37.50, in Mexico 5.50. Quite a difference. If this decision is made by Trump pressure, that's OK. I don't think anything sinister is going on. 700 jobs is not exactly a windfall. Its a beginning.

Annette

 

[ruby59]

Hi,

The Pres. of Ford gave an interview this morning. He stated that the demand for smaller cars, which is why the Mexican plant, 1s much less than the Co. thought. Added to that if tariffs come into play the import to the US would increase the cost of the cars. Ford gets 80% of it Revenues from the US. and builds most ofthem here. It was not a hard decision for them.

Labor costs here 37.50, in Mexico 5.50. Quite a difference. If this decision is made by Trump pressure, that's OK. I don't think anything sinister is going on. 700 jobs is not exactly a windfall. Its a beginning.

Annette

But to those 700 desperate out of work people, it will be a life saver.

I still remember the look of relief on those other workers faces when Trump saved their jobs before Christmas

This is exactly what our country needs. More jobs to get people back to work to make them self-sufficient.

 

[Calliecake]

I seriously doubt Trump had anything to do with Ford's decision. Is it any surprise that he would try to take all the credit?k

It states in the article they decided to fully utilize capacity at their existing plants. Sounds like a cost savings measure. It all comes down to Ford's profits. This has nothing to do with Trump.

 

[redwood66]

I seriously doubt Trump had anything to do with Ford's decision. Is it any surprise that he would try to take all the credit?

Yes he absolutely did. Because had she won they would still be opening a new plant in Mexico.

 

[E B]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/03/ford...market-demand-not-trump.html?__source=twitter

It's a stretch to think Trump himself had much to do with this, but hey, you gotta grab whatever shiny bits floating in a swamp you can.

 

[redwood66]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/03/ford...market-demand-not-trump.html?__source=twitter

It's a stretch to think Trump himself had much to do with this, but hey, you gotta grab whatever shiny bits floating in a swamp you can.

My response to Callie was in reference to him not having "anything" to do with it. Part of it was lack of market and part was Trump. The important thing is that they are staying. Not acknowledging any positive effect that a Trump presidency will have on business in the US will be to the detriment of the liberals.

 

[E B]

I wasn't responding to you, red, but to ruby (or whoever started this). And trust me, the libs (or at least many of us!) aren't cheering for Trump to fail. We're terrified of him failing, big league (based on pretty much everything we've seen). This is our country, our home too.

 

[redwood66]

I wasn't responding to you, red, but to ruby (or whoever started this). And trust me, the libs (or at least many of us!) aren't cheering for Trump to fail. We're terrified of him failing, big league (based on pretty much everything we've seen). This is our country, our home too.

I get very tired of the other threads bashing someone who has not even taken office. We all need to be vigilant but we also need to acknowledge the positive rather than looking for fault in everything. Because if you look for fault everywhere you are sure to find it. It is in all our best interests that he succeed. No matter how much you'll hate it if he does.

 

[Matata]

I get very tired of the other threads bashing someone who has not even taken office. We all need to be vigilant but we also need to acknowledge the positive rather than looking for fault in everything. Because if you look for fault everywhere you are sure to find it. It is in all our best interests that he succeed. No matter how much you'll hate it if he does.

As long as we do it through critical thinking and not rose-colored glasses. There is good and bad to be had from every decision and it all needs to be taken into consideration when weighing potential consequences. Right now all some people can see is 700 jobs "saved." Here's what I thought about when I read the article:

700 jobs staying in the US -- excellent;
Trump hates labor unions. How many of the saved jobs are union? What happens to them down the line? His Dept. of Labor pick is anti-union and has stated the possibility that he'd automate all his restaurants to reduce labor costs.
We know robotics are part of the reason jobs have been lost -- machines are doing the work people used to do. How many of those 700 jobs will be done by people rather than machines?
If some of the 700 jobs will be done by machines will the people who lose their jobs be retrained to work on the machines or will they be fired?
The Ford CEO mentioned that he was encouraged by Trump's promise to reduce corporate taxes and to reduce emissions regulations. That would benefit all US car manufacturers. Does that mean that air pollution and it's many negative effects on people will increase because Trump has clearly revealed his feelings about climate change and the EPA. Will we be gasping for air as we happily trot to our saved jobs? Will here be affordable health care for all those gasping people?
If the Ford CEO is citing cost-savings as one of the reasons to keep those jobs in the US, why did he consider sending them to Mexico in the first place?

So yeah, 700 saved jobs is excellent but it's just not that simple.

 

[redwood66]

I get very tired of the other threads bashing someone who has not even taken office. We all need to be vigilant but we also need to acknowledge the positive rather than looking for fault in everything. Because if you look for fault everywhere you are sure to find it. It is in all our best interests that he succeed. No matter how much you'll hate it if he does.

As long as we do it through critical thinking and not rose-colored glasses. There is good and bad to be had from every decision and it all needs to be taken into consideration when weighing potential consequences. Right now all some people can see is 700 jobs "saved." Here's what I thought about when I read the article:

700 jobs staying in the US -- excellent;
Trump hates labor unions. How many of the saved jobs are union? What happens to them down the line? His Dept. of Labor pick is anti-union and has stated the possibility that he'd automate all his restaurants to reduce labor costs.
We know robotics are part of the reason jobs have been lost -- machines are doing the work people used to do. How many of those 700 jobs will be done by people rather than machines?
If some of the 700 jobs will be done by machines will the people who lose their jobs be retrained to work on the machines or will they be fired?
The Ford CEO mentioned that he was encouraged by Trump's promise to reduce corporate taxes and to reduce emissions regulations. That would benefit all US car manufacturers. Does that mean that air pollution and it's many negative effects on people will increase because Trump has clearly revealed his feelings about climate change and the EPA. Will we be gasping for air as we happily trot to our saved jobs? Will here be affordable health care for all those gasping people?
If the Ford CEO is citing cost-savings as one of the reasons to keep those jobs in the US, why did he consider sending them to Mexico in the first place?

So yeah, 700 saved jobs is excellent but it's just not that simple.

Having been a many year member of a collective bargaining unit my opinion of them is mixed. Unions for workers rights in the 70's and 80's were definitely a force for good for the worker. Working conditions, in my field in particular, were horrendous with back to back 16 hour shifts mandatory with 8 hours in-between. Sometimes these 16 hour shifts would continue for weeks. Pay was crap and benefits were minimal. In come collective bargaining units that helped to alleviate that and require the state to hire more staff. Now in the past decade+ these same bargaining units were holding legislators and the governor hostage to gain over-the-top pay raises, unsustainable retirement packages, and excellent medical benefits beyond what the normal person gets. Ask any regular joe shmo Californian what they think of state worker benefits and pay. I was embarrassed of my union by the end. Too greedy and unwilling to come to any kind of compromise as the state was failing. It took Schwarzenegger to call their bluff because the state could not continue down that road and survive. Every new state worker will have less because of the excess in earlier years. So unions can be good but they can be too powerful as well.

 

[Matata]

Ruby
You are just waiting your time, b/c in the eyes of the liberals anything that Trump do is a negative effect to our country. IMO, If he can put Americans back to work again then he could become a great leader. Creating millions of new jobs will solve a lot of problems in this country.

I thought posting articles such as this would at least earn him the benefit of the doubt.

But I guess anything posted here is going to be turned into a negative.

 

[ruby59]

Ruby
You are just waiting your time, b/c in the eyes of the liberals anything that Trump do is a negative effect to our country. IMO, If he can put Americans back to work again then he could become a great leader. Creating millions of new jobs will solve a lot of problems in this country.

I thought posting articles such as this would at least earn him the benefit of the doubt.

But I guess anything posted here is going to be turned into a negative.

So are we all to be judged by and base our actions on how other people act.

I was very respectful of President Obama when he was in office, but the reality is my quality of life deteriorated greatly under him.

I am willing to give change a chance.

 

[Calliecake]

Ruby
You are just waiting your time, b/c in the eyes of the liberals anything that Trump do is a negative effect to our country. IMO, If he can put Americans back to work again then he could become a great leader. Creating millions of new jobs will solve a lot of problems in this country.

I thought posting articles such as this would at least earn him the benefit of the doubt.

But I guess anything posted here is going to be turned into a negative.

So are we all to be judged by and base our actions on how other people act.

I was very respectful of President Obama when he was in office, but the reality is my quality of life deteriorated greatly under him.

I am willing to give change a chance.

The difference is President Obama is a decent human being who does not act like a spoiled 10 year old. Do you think Trump has been acting presidential? The reason I ask is family members who I know support Trump, would have been appalled if any other President Elect acted as he has, regardless of the party.

 

[ruby59]

Ruby
You are just waiting your time, b/c in the eyes of the liberals anything that Trump do is a negative effect to our country. IMO, If he can put Americans back to work again then he could become a great leader. Creating millions of new jobs will solve a lot of problems in this country.

I thought posting articles such as this would at least earn him the benefit of the doubt.

But I guess anything posted here is going to be turned into a negative.

So are we all to be judged by and base our actions on how other people act.

I was very respectful of President Obama when he was in office, but the reality is my quality of life deteriorated greatly under him.

I am willing to give change a chance.

The difference is President Obama is a decent human being who does not act like a spoiled 10 year old. Do you think Trump has been acting presidential? The reason I ask is family members who I know support Trump, would have been appalled if any other President Elect acted as he has, regardless of the party.

While I did not care for his policies, yes I always thought President Obama conducted himself above approach.

But lately I am not so sure.

 

[Dancing Fire]

I wasn't responding to you, red, but to ruby (or whoever started this). And trust me, the libs (or at least many of us!) aren't cheering for Trump to fail. We're terrified of him failing, big league (based on pretty much everything we've seen). This is our country, our home too.

Obama have been doing that for the past 8 yrs.

 

[Calliecake]

I wasn't responding to you, red, but to ruby (or whoever started this). And trust me, the libs (or at least many of us!) aren't cheering for Trump to fail. We're terrified of him failing, big league (based on pretty much everything we've seen). This is our country, our home too.

Obama have been doing that for the past 8 yrs.

Dancing Fire, No disrespect but you just don't get it. It's obviously to many of us here that Trump is dangerous. We have stated repeatedly, on numerous threads, how we feel and what our concerns are. Do you really think we want Trump to fail? Do you believe only Republicans love our country?

 

[Tekate]

Ruby
You are just waiting your time, b/c in the eyes of the liberals anything that Trump do is a negative effect to our country. IMO, If he can put Americans back to work again then he could become a great leader. Creating millions of new jobs will solve a lot of problems in this country.

DF, did Obama EVER do anything you approved of?

I will say Cheeto helped push the republicans back over the edge of dismantling the ethics committee.. that and millions of calls to reps by us voters.

As for Ford.. it's all to planned for me..

So what did Obama do that you think made him a great leader? (or even a decent one).

 

[Karl_K]

The Ford CEO mentioned that he was encouraged by Trump's promise to reduce corporate taxes and to reduce emissions regulations.

Encourage long term r&d through tax policy that today's now now now stock market has destroyed.
Move emissions limits as technology moves to drive the r&d.
It will lead to fast changes.
That is a much smarter policy in my opinion than setting arbitrary standards that are not based on reality.
Then again it makes too much sense so it will never get through congress.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Ruby
You are just waiting your time, b/c in the eyes of the liberals anything that Trump do is a negative effect to our country. IMO, If he can put Americans back to work again then he could become a great leader. Creating millions of new jobs will solve a lot of problems in this country.

DF, did Obama EVER do anything you approved of?

Yes, killing Osama Bin Laden ...