Trump Is Threatening To Close The Border

[House Cat]

Ok, but I'm confused. Isn't this what the Democratic Party is constantly recommending and isn't this exactly what Republicans don't want? Because that would make you socialists? This would include things like Universal Health Care (i.e., Obamacare) - that Republicans went to extreme measures to eradicate. Funding Planned Parenthood (which Republicans seem to be determined to try to wipe from the face of the earth). Re-instituting the Head Start Program (which Republicans defunded, if I am remembering correctly, despite it having impressive results in increasing the academic success of disadvantaged children and setting them on a path to becoming better educated and more successful members of society). And this would fly in the face of Republican notions of people getting funding that they *deserve* for their schools through the tax bases of the neighborhoods that they are in (because Republicans don't seem to think that it's fair that all schools be funded equally and instead seem to feel that rich families should have their children rewarded with more resources based on what they are able to provide). I was also under the impression that Republicans were trying to defund the so-called entitlement programs (social assistance, medicare, medicaid and the like).

I agree, the US should take care of its citizens better. I hate to criticize, because we have our social problems here too, but I have never in my life seen so many truly unwell and desperate and starving people on the streets as I do any time I go to any big city in the US - and many of them are veterans. I have never seen so many amputated limbs (untreated diabetes), missing teeth (lack of access to dental care), or visible signs of malnutrition. Why don't you take care of your poor, your sick, your mentally ill? Why don't you feed them, clothe them, medically treat them, and help them get jobs? Because none of these people are immigrants. Immigrants are busily cleaning your houses, caring for your children, cooking your meals, tending your landscaping, driving your taxis, and working in your restaurants.

We would love to take care of them. Unfortunately, our lawmakers are too busy lining the pockets of the rich to turn around and give a shit about the people who have laid down their lives to provide the safety they so enjoy.

 

[Tacori E-ring]

Talk about frighteningly prophetic: This is from a 1950’s TV show.
https://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/wat...named-trump-1424481347976?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma

Wow!

 

[AGBF]

As I mentioned in a previous posting, the real threat to the current VA system is privatization. Trump and friends would like to farm out health care of veterans to private providers who would provide less care at a higher cost and would get to pocket the money personally. These, of course, would be friends of Trump or "new" friends who were paying to play. (Think "Russians" and "Saudis", but domestic.) Remember, we are dealing with Donald Trump who engages in corruption and cronyism in all his affairs.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/charle...atizing-of-veterans-health-care/#eea6ebb73794
https://psmag.com/social-justice/trump-is-pushing-the-va-to-go-private

PS-I am not directing this posting at you, StephanieLynn. I read the posting in which you said you had not wanted to go off on a tangent. This thread just awakened a need to discuss privatization of the VA which has worried me for years.

Guess what is in the headlines of "The New York Times" today? Trump plans to privatize the VA with the Koch Brothers. The Vietnam Veterans Association is very much against this.

"Critics, which include nearly all of the major veterans’ organizations, say that paying for care in the private sector would starve the 153-year-old veterans’ health care system, causing many hospitals to close.

'We don’t like it,' said Rick Weidman, executive director of Vietnam Veterans of America. 'This thing was initially sold as to supplement the V.A., and some people want to try and use it to supplant.'

Members of Congress from both parties have been critical of the administration’s inconsistency and lack of details in briefings. At a hearing last month, Senator John Boozman, Republican of Arkansas, told Robert L. Wilkie, the current secretary of Veterans Affairs, that his staff had sometimes come to Capitol Hill 'without their act together.'"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/12/...administration-health-care-privatization.html

 

[Calliecake]

My family been there, done that, w/o any public assistances. . I still remember every morning my mom would give me a quarter for lunch on school days. We couldn't even afford a used car from 1969-1971.

.

So because your family had it rough no one else should get assistance???


@AGBF , Interesting since a big part of Trump’s campaign was how much he will do to help veterans. By the time he leaves office there will be one giant mess to clean up. I swear he is purposely trying to ruin the country.

 

[Maria D]

Everytime when I meet a new Chinese immigrant I advise them...

not to fall into the trap of depending on welfare, food stamps and free housing. The money is coming out of someone else's pocket, b/c there are no such a thing as a free lunch. Be self-sufficient and work your way up the ladder and contribute into the tax pool. The Dem's goal is to keep minorities in poverty for their votes only. Your goal is to become the top 5% er not the bottom 5% er. I have been living in the US for over 50 yrs and I know what I'm talking about.

No, you don't. Non-citizens can't vote so your assertion doesn't even make sense.

**edited by moderator, let's not make generalizations about a group of people not like you**

Finally, poor immigrants are not the drain on welfare you claim them to be. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/4/16094684/trump-immigrants-welfare

DF, I commend you for keeping up your lying persona for all these years. You were ahead of your time doing it long before Trump made blatant lying fashionable.

 

[Maria D]

Only fools would believe Mexico will pay for the wall. Just campaign BS!

Yes, the fools who voted for Trump actually believed it. The rest of us did think it was campaign BS. But not Ann Coulter, apparently - could you please let her know? Because it was her shaming of Trump for not following through that caused this manufactured crisis.

 

[House Cat]

My family been there, done that, w/o any public assistances. . I still remember every morning my mom would give me a quarter for lunch on school days. We couldn't even afford a used car from 1969-1971.

Let’s get real DF, the truly poor kids can’t buy lunch. Not being able to afford a car for two years isn’t a test of poverty. If you had said that you couldn’t afford food, I would sympathize. You have no sense of what it is to be poor and suffering.

I actually have lived in areas where poor and suffering were the norm. There have been times when I couldn’t afford food and I was living in a hotel room...homeless. And that isn’t even the worst kind of homeless...i wasn’t on the streets. I know what it is like to fall on hard times. I know the incredible desperation of not knowing how i would keep a roof over my head or my son’s head...or food in his mouth. The gnawing, frightening feeling in my stomach was unbearable. It made me want to die. Really, the only thing that saved us was my dad...he took us in.

But there were some seriously unfortunate circumstances that drug me into that situation...I had a pretty good paying job through all of that... I just couldn’t make all of my ends meet. I became working poor.

That experience didn’t make me want to judge anyone who receives public assistance. Anyone who finds themselves in a desperate financial situation trying to put a roof over their children’s head and food in their children’s mouths should do so by any means possible. I had my dad. Most people don’t. Most people do not have family they can rely on...you need to understand that. My dad is Irish/Italian first generation in this country. Of course he would take me in. He has old world values when it comes to this sort of thing. Many people in this country do not have these values anymore. That is why it is important that we have these public assistance programs to help people when they are down. Children need the help most of all.

DF, you and your family are outliers. You aren’t the norm. Yes, you are immigrants who lived lean and started a business and made your way! You kept your family together and you built and empire. You all should be very proud. You should not be arrogant. Arrogance is disgusting. While you have your success, it would be incredible if you use your experience and wisdom to impart kindness on those who are struggling. Try to mentor and lift up those who don’t understand how to do it themselves. Instead, you seem to stand on their heads to make yourself feel taller. In the process you make yourself seem like a small soul. With all of that success, it’s a waste.

 

[Dancing Fire]

No, you don't. Non-citizens can't vote so your assertion doesn't even make sense.

I know that but the Dems. are looking at the future votes, b/c as more and more minorities are employed as we have now the will Dems will lose these votes.

 

[Dancing Fire]

But there were some seriously unfortunate circumstances that drug me into that situation...I had a pretty good paying job through all of that... I just couldn’t make all of my ends meet. I became working poor.

You can become a working poor even if you made 10k per month depending on your spending habits, and yes I'm setting a bad example for new Chinese immigrants. Maybe I should suggest them to go on welfare for the rest of their lives.

 

[Calliecake]

Very well said @House Cat.


We have a few friends who are Trump Supporters. I have found it interesting thru the years listening to them complaining about government money going to feed children, school lunch programs and health care for children. Like @Dancing Fire, they complain about this often.

These people also say everyone should pull themselves up by their boot straps. While they go on about how everyone should make there own way, their own kids, have had their college education completely paid for at very good out of states schools, are close to thirty and still living at home while their parents pay their cell phones bills, car insurance, car payments, vacations, and everything else that functional adults should be paying for. Like @Dancing Fire they also plan on giving their kids $30,000 for a down payment when they move out and buy a house and will pay for extravagant weddings.

I always wonder where these kids would be in life if they had not been born into a privileged family. I realize the families are footing the bill and not the government. Aren’t their children really on welfare? It’s just not government paid welfare. Are their own children pulling themselves up their boot straps LOL?

I want to add that I too help family members. The difference is I understand that there are many people who have a very hard life and are worried about feeding their children. I have empathy and compassion and believe we should help those less fortunate. No child in a country as rich as ours should not have food and not be able to go to the doctor when they are sick. Not every child is born into a family that can help them.

@Dancing Fire , You are against helping anyone but find it perfectly acceptable that the president has cheated and lied to get out of paying 500 Million in back taxes. In your eyes the president gets a pass and poor children are not allowed meals. SMDH

 

[Calliecake]

@Dancing Fire , I really would like to hear your thoughts on the entire post I posted above.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Like @Dancing Fire they also plan on giving their kids $30,000 for a down payment when they move out and buy a house and will pay for extravagant weddings.

I always wonder where these kids would be in life if they had not been born into a privileged family. I realize the families are footing the bill and not the government. Aren’t their children really on welfare? It’s just not government paid welfare. Are their own children pulling themselves up their boot straps LOL?

Yes we help our daughters with d/p on their houses. We wanna help them to get a good start in life. Is there something wrong with that?. Both of our daughters are working full time now and they don't need anymore financial help from us.

There should always be public assistance for the poors, but don't make a career out of it. Welfare is like a drug and people can get addicted to it for life. Had wife and I gone on welfare our daughters would probably be the 2nd generation welfare recipients.

Believe me, I have had heard this many times from welfare recipients..." If I work my family will lose all them benefits, so why should I work?"

 

[Maria D]

Yes we help our daughters with d/p on their houses. We wanna help them to get a good start in life. Is there something wrong with that?. Both of our daughters are working full time now and they don't need anymore financial help from us.

There should always be public assistance for the poors, but don't make a career out of it. Welfare is like a drug and people can get addicted to it for life. Had wife and I gone on welfare our daughters would probably be the 2nd generation welfare recipients.

Believe me, I have had heard this many times from welfare recipients..." If I work my family will lose all them benefits, so why should I work?"

“For years, the Chinese have won more asylum cases than immigrants from any other country. About 22 percent of the 20,455 individuals granted asylum in 2016 were Chinese immigrants, according to the most recent figures from USCIS. The next largest group is immigrants from El Salvador (10 percent) and then immigrants from Guatemala (about 9 percent).

The lawyer who ran the immigration office Lawrence joined back in 2007 was named Ken Giles. Lawrence says Giles' law office had only three desks, crammed into a tiny room. Everything that happened, Lawrence says, happened out in the open.

"I realized this is open secret in Chinese immigrant community ... many Chinese people making asylum fraud," he says.”

 

[smitcompton]

HI,

Oh no, I'm going to defend DF. DF did give us his background when he arrived to the US. As I recall his family had a very hard time and they received help from his grandfather. So it is not with arrogance that he writes, but with the same kind of experiences that people down on their luck or new entries to the US experience. I believe DF thinks that if his family had gone or received welfare they would not have succeeded. So, I commend DF for his success and being a good citizen, and helping new immigrants, which he also does) make their way in this new country.

It is easy to try to equate Gov't welfare, and family welfare. but it really makes no sense. Everyones taxes go toward helping others, and so we can justifiably give an opinion on that. After all it is our money. On the other hand families may spend their own money on whatever they please, without your consent or affirmation. Most of us want our children's lives to be easier then our own. Today that seems to be farther away than in the past. Who then should help their children? Parents want to help their kids. If you can afford to give a down payment to your kids, great. It is a helping hand up.

DF didn't come from privilege. So many of you didn't. Yet you did make it. It doesn't mean we now forget about those that do need, but please don't criticize those that want their kids to have a good life.

My belief lately is that we have a fundamental change in America. I did not see it till now. I think there will be a slow disintegration of US values, not because of Trump, but because those values had already changed and allowed him to succeed to power. For those of us who grew up with older values, it is hard to take. DF, I defend you on these posts, but I still cannot defend you on DT. One should never defend the indefensible.

Annette

 

[Maria D]

HI,

Oh no, I'm going to defend DF. DF did give us his background when he arrived to the US. As I recall his family had a very hard time and they received help from his grandfather. So it is not with arrogance that he writes, but with the same kind of experiences that people down on their luck or new entries to the US experience. I believe DF thinks that if his family had gone or received welfare they would not have succeeded. So, I commend DF for his success and being a good citizen, and helping new immigrants, which he also does) make their way in this new country.

It is easy to try to equate Gov't welfare, and family welfare. but it really makes no sense. Everyones taxes go toward helping others, and so we can justifiably give an opinion on that. After all it is our money. On the other hand families may spend their own money on whatever they please, without your consent or affirmation. Most of us want our children's lives to be easier then our own. Today that seems to be farther away than in the past. Who then should help their children? Parents want to help their kids. If you can afford to give a down payment to your kids, great. It is a helping hand up.

DF didn't come from privilege. So many of you didn't. Yet you did make it. It doesn't mean we now forget about those that do need, but please don't criticize those that want their kids to have a good life.

My belief lately is that we have a fundamental change in America. I did not see it till now. I think there will be a slow disintegration of US values, not because of Trump, but because those values had already changed and allowed him to succeed to power. For those of us who grew up with older values, it is hard to take. DF, I defend you on these posts, but I still cannot defend you on DT. One should never defend the indefensible.

Annette

@Dancing Fire links immigration with welfare mis-use (or overuse) without any facts to back it up. My parents were non-welfare collecting immigrants who succeeded as well. That doesn't give me the inclination to want to close our southern border. As for helping immigrants - who are these immigrants DF is supposedly helping? Maybe he is and maybe he isn't, but he sure isn't helping people from Central and South America who are trying to LEGALLY apply for asylum when he spews his hateful rhetoric.

 

[Dancing Fire]

@Dancing Fire links immigration with welfare mis-use (or overuse) without any facts to back it up. My parents were non-welfare collecting immigrants who succeeded as well. That doesn't give me the inclination to want to close our southern border. As for helping immigrants - who are these immigrants DF is supposedly helping? Maybe he is and maybe he isn't, but he sure isn't helping people from Central and South America who are trying to LEGALLY apply for asylum when he spews his hateful rhetoric.

If advising new Chinese immigrants to be self-sufficient is wrong then I don't wanna be right. Many of my friends are sponsoring his/her relatives into the the US, and if these relatives decides to go on public assistance then the sponsor is obligated to pay back the county. There is nothing wrong with asylum seekers if they are seeking asylum legally under the law.

 

[Dancing Fire]

HI,

Oh no, I'm going to defend DF. DF did give us his background when he arrived to the US. As I recall his family had a very hard time and they received help from his grandfather. So it is not with arrogance that he writes, but with the same kind of experiences that people down on their luck or new entries to the US experience. I believe DF thinks that if his family had gone or received welfare they would not have succeeded. So, I commend DF for his success and being a good citizen, and helping new immigrants, which he also does) make their way in this new country.

It is easy to try to equate Gov't welfare, and family welfare. but it really makes no sense. Everyones taxes go toward helping others, and so we can justifiably give an opinion on that. After all it is our money. On the other hand families may spend their own money on whatever they please, without your consent or affirmation. Most of us want our children's lives to be easier then our own. Today that seems to be farther away than in the past. Who then should help their children? Parents want to help their kids. If you can afford to give a down payment to your kids, great. It is a helping hand up.

DF didn't come from privilege. So many of you didn't. Yet you did make it. It doesn't mean we now forget about those that do need, but please don't criticize those that want their kids to have a good life.

My belief lately is that we have a fundamental change in America. I did not see it till now. I think there will be a slow disintegration of US values, not because of Trump, but because those values had already changed and allowed him to succeed to power. For those of us who grew up with older values, it is hard to take. DF, I defend you on these posts, but I still cannot defend you on DT. One should never defend the indefensible.

Annette

Thank you Annette. Everything you posted above is 101% correct , and as for Trump Americans have the right to vote him out of office.

 

[Dancing Fire]

HI,

Oh no, I'm going to defend DF. DF did give us his background when he arrived to the US. As I recall his family had a very hard time and they received help from his grandfather.
Annette

Not really, Our grandfather had to promise his wife (our step grandma) that my mom and brother must work in their restaurant w/o pay before she would agree to let our grandfather sponsor us into the US (in 1966), so our mom agreed to her demands, b/c she sees a brighter future for her 3 children by immigrating to the US.

Sadly our grandfather passed away in 1969 and then within a week after grandpa's funeral our evil step grandma kicked the 4 of us out of her house with only $300 in cash which was funeral donations from grandpa's friends. So yeah we were highly qualified for welfare but we refused to go on public assistance.

 

[Calliecake]

@smitcompton , I hope you don’t think I am against anyone helping their families. Nothing could be further from the truth.

@Dancing Fire , Do you not realize most immigrants (past and future) come to this country seeking a better life for their families?

 

[smitcompton]

Hi,

Calliecake-- I know you are a decent person. I wanted to point out the difference between Gov't and family welfare. We want people to help their own.

DF--During the 60's and before, hospitals used to be able to turn people away from emergency rooms who were desperately ill without treatment. Somewhere, about that time laws were passed to make it illegal to turn sick people away. The law is not new, but is humane, which is one of our values in society. Society at that time voted for it. So, no matter who you are, legal, illegal, amnesty seeker, criminal, or poor person , scant insurance or no insurance, you can seek medical care in our country if you have an emergency. That is why emergency rooms are filled. Its a good thing. We are not India, where people die in the streets. Its a good thing and not new.

Annette

 

[Dancing Fire]

Hi,

DF--During the 60's and before, hospitals used to be able to turn people away from emergency rooms who were desperately ill without treatment. Somewhere, about that time laws were passed to make it illegal to turn sick people away. The law is not new, but is humane, which is one of our values in society. Society at that time voted for it. So, no matter who you are, legal, illegal, amnesty seeker, criminal, or poor person , scant insurance or no insurance, you can seek medical care in our country if you have an emergency. That is why emergency rooms are filled. Its a good thing. We are not India, where people die in the streets. Its a good thing and not new.

Annette

Yes I'd agree.

 

[Dancing Fire]

[USER=8220]@Dancing Fire , Do you not realize most immigrants (past and future) come to this country seeking a better life for their families?[/USER]

CC. Yes, I understand but come to the US the legal way. Our grandfather had to spend a lot time and legal fees for sponsoring us into the US. There was like a waiting (vetting period) of almost 2 yrs before our family received the green light into the US.

So, why should these caravan migrants be allowed just walk into the US w/o background checks?

 

[monarch64]

Thinking aloud, possibly rambling:

I understand some of what DF believes, and also Smitcompton. I have never thought the issue of "welfare" was black and white. It's a very tough thing to debate because it draws such sincere, convicted passion from folks who have strong-leaning opinions. When you're in the middle (I think that I fall into this category at this time in my life) it's easier to see both the pros and cons of each side--but of course one has to make a decision when voting or when passing legislature. Personal caveat: if you do neither of those things you don't get a say.

When I read DF's posts, his verbiage and (perceived) tone get my hackles up. But when I reference everything I know about him through only this site, and compare him to Trump supporters I know (and love), I feel like I have an understanding. I think instead of "entitlement" he means "enabled."

We probably all will, or have, at some point, deal(t) with an addict. It is very troubling to draw a line, and say "here's when I'm going to stop helping this person" or "I'm going to stop helping this person at all," or "I'm never going to help a person like that." Each sentiment has sound logic and reasoning. And each is submitted by someone who has experienced life in a way that causes them to form their opinion/stance. I have to respect that. Back to my point about entitlement vs enablement: I think that some consider "tough love" the best kind of assistance, instead of continuing to sort of feed a weakness/addiction/disadvantage.

The issue here (and in our very polarized political world) isn't whether or who or when with regard to receiving asylum or welfare or assistance. The issue has become why the heck can't the majority of us figure out how to compromise? We teach our kids to compromise or respect viewpoints. But we sure don't model that behavior.

I'm an optimist, and I tend to see the best in people. But I also recognize that, regardless of MY opinions, others feel differently. If we all could just recognize that, and VERBALLY acknowledge it, perhaps we might be able to discuss more freely and come to better solutions. What I abhor about our current POTUS is that he and his party and constituents and strategists and financial backers have continued over and over again to make sure to drive a wedge between us all. He's not the only one guilty; it happened with D's with regard to healthcare from mid-2000s on. And I'm sure it happened before that--but I wasn't paying as much attention because social media wasn't such a huge factor in how I (and others) obtained information.

Regardless, it's reprehensible what political parties do to make people hate each other. It's all about power and money and influence, and it's gross, but here I am, a part of it all, unwilling to give up what I do hold dear about this country to find refuge in another.

Bottom line: what is more fair? 1. Continuing to provide support to someone indefinitely, contributing (inevitably) to their demise or dependence, or 2. pulling the plug and saying "you're cut off, no more, for your own good, or 3. never providing assistance in the first place/making it EXTREMELY difficult to receive? This isn't an individual decision, as in, should we let our adult child continue to live with us, or should we keep funding our sibling's booze habit? This is a collective issue for an entire country that requires an intervention and a meeting of the minds--not a thread posted by an individual in Hangout that 20 members will help the OP decide how to resolve in 2 weeks. Not sure why our (guilty as well) expectations are so high.

 

[Dancing Fire]

When I read DF's posts, his verbiage and (perceived) tone get my hackles up. But when I reference everything I know about him through only this site, and compare him to Trump supporters I know (and love), I feel like I have an understanding. I think instead of "entitlement" he means "enabled."

Mon, you can call it whatever you like, but now looking back 50 yrs. I'm glad that my mom didn't fall into the welfare/food stamp trap. .

IMO, welfare is like a drug addiction that you may never be able to get rid of for the rest of your life.

 

[monarch64]

Mon, you can call it whatever you like, but now looking back 50 yrs. I'm glad that my mom didn't fall into the welfare/food stamp trap. .

IMO, welfare is like a drug addiction that you may never be able to get rid of for the rest of your life.

I just basically stood up for you, and you can't even read my entire post and understand the points?
Washing my hands. You are losing it, DF. Not cool.

Sorry to the rest of you. I should've known better.

I give up.

 

[Dancing Fire]

I just basically stood up for you, and you can't even read my entire post and understand the points?
Washing my hands. You are losing it, DF. Not cool.

Sorry to the rest of you. I should've known better.

I give up.

Mon, Thanks, I understand your post perfectly.

 

[smitcompton]

Hi,

Monny, don't go. Your post was really good and showed a depth of understanding that unfortunately DF lacks. But, we keep trying to draw him in. Sometimes I want to call him names, which I have, but his blockage seems to be welfare as he defines it. Which is why I brought up the hospital policy. He agrees people should get emergency treatment. I hope he agrees that children ought not be taken from parents. Barbaric!

I don't think he is hateful, but he is blocked when talking about welfare. I think of myself in the middle as well--you being more left leaning then I see myself. But what you wrote stands well with me. We do have to see the other side and review our thinking. I do it all the time.

Nice post, and I also read Maria D, whose opinions I have learned to respect. Maria's parents were immigrants as well, DF. We have learned to have gratitude for our lives. We can share the world of plenty that we grew up in. I hope a softer more kind DF is coming?

Thanks Monny.
Annette

 

[smitcompton]

HI,
DF
It seems that I have a need to display my arrogance. One of my very favorite "most admired people" in my lifetime was/is Mahatma Gandi. Our very own Martin L. King took his example of non-violence from Gandi. I am going to ask DF to do something Gandi might ask him to do.

Call your local food pantry, either privately run or Gov't sponsored, and ask if they have any specific needs for their clients. You might be told tuna fish, spaghetti sauce, cans of fruit etc. Take 20.00 and buy what they need and bring it yourself to the food pantry. While you are there ask them any and all questions you have on who is being served by them. Mostly single moms I suspect, or women who have experienced spousal abuse. The children need food. I doubt if your neighbors need it, but there are people who do. It is only when you get up close and personal do you hear or see the plight of many. Find out for yourself what is happening right in your area. Twenty dollars isn't so much to gain understanding and empathy. REport back to us here on what you learned.

Here ended the lesson for the day.

Annette

 

[Dancing Fire]

Hi,

Nice post, and I also read Maria D, whose opinions I have learned to respect. Maria's parents were immigrants as well, DF. We have learned to have gratitude for our lives. We can share the world of plenty that we grew up in. I hope a softer more kind DF is coming?

Thanks Monny.
Annette

I am a very kind person. . I believe in contributing into the tax pool not to take from it if you are an able body.

 

[Dancing Fire]

HI,
DF

Here ended the lesson for the day.

Annette

I donate to the Red Cross every yr. does that count?