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rotsisermho

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Hi all,

As stated in my other post, I''m a bit of a newbie and I''m having a hard time finding a FIC online. I''ve used Pricescope''s search engine but I haven''t really found more than one or two FICs and those really aren''t what I''m looking for.

I''m looking for around a 1ct. FIC, at least G color and at least SI1.

Can anyone help? Thanks!
 
I''m down to look...budget?
 
Well I was hoping to find something around $4,250 but if it''s just not possible, I''d pay up to or a little above $5,000 if it''s a nice one.
 
Hmmm, I ran that one through the HCA and it comes out as a TIC, although from what I''ve been told, the small table and large crown angle should have it come out to a FIC. I''m not sure I fully understand how that calculator works. I hadn''t checked much on Blue Nile though, maybe they have others :).

Thanks!
 
Date: 2/27/2008 5:16:22 PM
Author: rotsisermho
Hmmm, I ran that one through the HCA and it comes out as a TIC, although from what I''ve been told, the small table and large crown angle should have it come out to a FIC. I''m not sure I fully understand how that calculator works. I hadn''t checked much on Blue Nile though, maybe they have others :).

Thanks!
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its a ficish tic a nice combo for someone who wants the fic look while keeping some of the tic performance.
 
Have you really seen the difference in a FIC and TIC? Because I don''t think you''d see all that much difference, and I also would not give up spread unless it was an antique stone or something.
 
Date: 2/27/2008 5:31:24 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Have you really seen the difference in a FIC and TIC? Because I don''t think you''d see all that much difference, and I also would not give up spread unless it was an antique stone or something.
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I was wondering the same thing. Is there a real visual difference to the eyes (not on paper) between an ideal cut TIC and FIC?
 
Date: 2/27/2008 5:47:03 PM
Author: elle_chris

Date: 2/27/2008 5:31:24 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Have you really seen the difference in a FIC and TIC? Because I don''t think you''d see all that much difference, and I also would not give up spread unless it was an antique stone or something.
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I was wondering the same thing. Is there a real visual difference to the eyes (not on paper) between an ideal cut TIC and FIC?
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yes
not as much as between an oec and a tic but enough to be noticeable in a lot of lighting conditions.
 
I''d like to get an actual FIC if I can. It seems that they are so hard to find because the angles are dramatically different than a TIC. I would expect this would make a difference visually, but I''m willing to settle for a FICish TIC if I can''t find something I really like. I just really like fire in a diamond and I''m hoping to find the "fieriest" one I can find!

If I was looking for a FICish TIC should I just be looking for steep crown angles and smaller tables or are there other parameters I should be aware of?

Thanks!
 
Date: 2/27/2008 9:51:51 PM
Author: rotsisermho
I'd like to get an actual FIC if I can. It seems that they are so hard to find because the angles are dramatically different than a TIC. I would expect this would make a difference visually, but I'm willing to settle for a FICish TIC if I can't find something I really like. I just really like fire in a diamond and I'm hoping to find the 'fieriest' one I can find!

If I was looking for a FICish TIC should I just be looking for steep crown angles and smaller tables or are there other parameters I should be aware of?

Thanks!
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50-55% table is best (under 53% is not likely)
36/40.5, 37/40.4 fic
35.5/40.6 ficish tic
lgf% over 77.5 which is 80% or 85% on a gia report, 78 or higher on an AGS report
 
Date: 2/27/2008 10:07:15 PM
Author: strmrdr
50-55% table is best (under 53% is not likely)
36/40.5, 37/40.4 fic
35.5/40.6 ficish tic
lgf% over 77.5 which is 80% or 85% on a gia report, 78 or higher on an AGS report
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Strmrdr,

I am a newbie and I am confused, need you help.
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I plug in your score into HCA
54% 36/40.4 is FIC has 0.6 HCA score. wonderful!
All other combo seems have "so so" HCA score. esp when I put in 37/40.4 crown.
Does this mean FIC is very rare and hard to find?

Thanks
 
Date: 2/28/2008 10:56:44 AM
Author: rocku


Date: 2/27/2008 10:07:15 PM
Author: strmrdr
50-55% table is best (under 53% is not likely)
36/40.5, 37/40.4 fic
35.5/40.6 ficish tic
lgf% over 77.5 which is 80% or 85% on a gia report, 78 or higher on an AGS report
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Strmrdr,

I am a newbie and I am confused, need you help.
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I plug in your score into HCA
54% 36/40.4 is FIC has 0.6 HCA score. wonderful!
All other combo seems have 'so so' HCA score. esp when I put in 37/40.4 crown.
Does this mean FIC is very rare and hard to find?

Thanks
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37 is the crown 40.4 is the pavilion, yes they are hard too find, they use more rough than a tic for any given diamond size so not a lot of rough is suitable for cutting them.
Some combos in the 37 range are so-so due too lgf% while others are fine and the HCA doesn't take that into account.
low lgf% takes you into oec territory which cant be judged by the hca.
 
I am going to send this to vendor, will it work?
Anything that I should add to this?
Thanks,
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Color G or H
Clarity VS2
Cut EX
Polish VG~EX
Symmetry EX
Table 53.5%~55%
Crown 35~36
Pavilion 40.4 40.5
Depth 60~61.5
Lower Girdle % 77% or above
 
Hmm, so I''ve found one with a table of 57% and a crown of 36.5. If I''m reading the report right the lgf% is 80. To me this seems preferable to having a smaller table because it will have more spread. Is my reasoning correct? I had a hell of a time finding anything that fit what I was looking for with a table < 55%.
 
57 vs 55 sure you might gain a little spread but you lose crown height which is why you went with a fic in the first place so it is a trade off.
Availability is another trade off so you have to decide where to trade off.
 
So what''s a good crown height to shoot for then? I''ve been looking at ones between 16% and 17.5%.
 
Date: 2/29/2008 11:08:35 AM
Author: rotsisermho
So what''s a good crown height to shoot for then? I''ve been looking at ones between 16% and 17.5%.
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get the right crown angle and table size and the CH takes care of itself in a round.
Its not a number you need too worry about too much.
As a search tool id use 16.3+ but that''s not written in stone.
Have you tried having a vendor run some searches for stones not on the PS search?
 
Reason I picked the first Blue Nile stone is because it's AGS 0, and came in at your stated budget.

I don't like the idea of buying without pictures, exceptions given for AGS 0

1st BN stone: no pics, overbudget
2nd BN stone: no pics, a little shallow
UD stone: You might have Whiteflash call it in for their full analysis.
http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-639736.htm
 
Date: 2/29/2008 3:53:13 PM
Author: JulieN
Reason I picked the first Blue Nile stone is because it''s AGS 0, and came in at your stated budget.

I don''t like the idea of buying without pictures, exceptions given for AGS 0

1st BN stone: no pics, overbudget
2nd BN stone: no pics, a little shallow
UD stone: You might have Whiteflash call it in for their full analysis.
http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-639736.htm
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that one has potential.
 
Sorry, I was just looking for stones that actually fall in the FIC range. It was an interesting exercise. All these vendors are fairly accommodating and reputable. If the last one is on whiteflash I am sure they can give you all the info on the stone you need. Blue nile has a 30 day return policy so you can see the diamond and decide if you like it or not.
 
You all are going such a great job that it is making it difficult to decide! Well, almost. The ones that are above $5k are unfortunately out of my price range. However, this Blue Nile stone is making me think:

Blue Nile

I've been working quite a bit with JamesAllen.com and they've been very helpful providing IdealScope images, etc. Blue Nile said they could not give that information to me. However, that stone seems to be very nice, although I wish I could see it as I'm a bit concerned about the smaller table. HCA says it's spread is only 'Good' although it does rate better than some of the others I've looked at.

These are two others I've been seriously considering:

James Allen 1
James Allen 2

My other topic has the IS images, etc.

All things considered (size, cut, color, clarity and "FICishness") which do you think is best? I have much more information about the James Allen diamonds and someone will be comparing them side by side over the phone with me. They are all within $200 of each other, so price is not an issue to me.
 
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