Tiffany Soleste Set - Help

[joycevbertulfo]

Hello, I recently received these two items - separately purchased by my husband from different eBay sellers. I’m waiting for the ring to be delivered, but have these photos of letters that come with each item. I think the letters are fake, but the earrings appear authentic. Any feedback on what your experiences with secondary market Tiffany items? Do you think these authentic letters/items?

 

[LLJsmom]

The letter kinda looks like mine. I have to see if I can find a copy of mine. I got an update to my soleste a while ago. Can you show a close up of the ring? Take more pics.

 

[Redwoods-hiker-girl]

I'd be very surprised (and dismayed) if Tiffany & Co. issued valuation letters that had so many typos.

 

[joycevbertulfo]

I'd be very surprised (and dismayed) if Tiffany & Co. issued valuation letters that had so many typos.

OMG you know I never even really looked at it, but you are so right. This is awful. They would not issues a "letter" like this ever. Ugh.

 

[canuk-gal]

HI:

My letters look different.

ETA: also, none of my letters have any photo's.

cheers--Sharon

 

[Inbloom]

I have no experience, but trying to understand - From what I see, they're from different ebay sellers, but the letters happen to have the same report data of Nov 29, 2020, and from the same Tiffany's in Toronto, and the same gemologist name but the signature of the blue pen look different from the black pen. Seems fishy to me too.

 

[MjK1]

On a window, lay one signature over top the other. If they are an exact match, they are forged

 

[MjK1]

Ring box marked 'Tiffany' but that is a cheap looking box

 

[AnastasiaBeaverhausen]

At least the letter for the earrings have watermarks and some kind of a stamp?

 

[headlight]

Different names at same address??? And the underside of the earrings are not finished off to Tiffany standards. RUN!

 

[Bron357]

Agree, somethings fishy here.
Two different eBay sellers, not connected we must assume yet both have the same dated and “type” of valuation letter addressed to different men BUT at the exact same address?
Have you contacted Tiffany at the address to confirm that the “graduate gemmologist” Sam Garbarek works there and issues these type of valuation letters?
that’s what I’d do first, check with Tiffany at that Toronto address.

 

[Redwoods-hiker-girl]

I didn't even notice the different names at the same address. That's a damning red flag.

 

[mjea]

this is a snapshot from the website. Maybe also compare the earrings you received with the photos on the website for the same level of finesse also? The links (circled) from the website appear to be pretty tight fitting? That plus the paperwork issues others have pointed out doesn’t bode well for authenticity

 

[MjK1]

I just Googled, there isn't a Tiffanys' listed at 'the west mall' in Toronto.
I'm sorry, but I would be very suspicious...Tiffany is the number one jewelery fake on the secondary market.

 

[junebug17]

I just Googled, there isn't a Tiffanys' listed at 'the west mall' in Toronto.
I'm sorry, but I would be very suspicious...Tiffany is the number one jewelery fake on the secondary market.

I think there is, I found this

Jewelry Store in Toronto - The West Mall | Tiffany & Co. US

Shop Tiffany & Co. Toronto - the world's premier jeweler since 1837. Discover the finest selection of diamond jewelry, engagement rings, and gifts.

www.tiffany.com

eta - not saying this makes the jewelry genuine, the paperwork does seem suspicious.

 

[MjK1]

I think there is, I found this

Jewelry Store in Toronto - The West Mall | Tiffany & Co. US

Shop Tiffany & Co. Toronto - the world's premier jeweler since 1837. Discover the finest selection of diamond jewelry, engagement rings, and gifts.

www.tiffany.com

eta - not saying this makes the jewelry genuine, the paperwork does seem suspicious.

That is great! Good news! I am hoping there is an explanation for all this...I hate liars and cheats...

 

[Bron357]

Ok, because I was bored.
The seller who sold your husband the earrings, originally had a listing for both a ring and earrings together. The sale dated 31 Dec was for $6,999 for both, however matching back to the feedback for the seller, the price was only $3,000 so I’m presuming that the buyer only wanted the ring and paid $3,000 for the ring.
Then the seller re listed the earrings later which your husband purchased.
The ring your husband bought in Feb appears to be the same ring that was originally sold on 31 Dec.
The weird bit is that the buyer of the ring isn’t the same eBay account that then, in Feb, resold the ring on eBay.
While eBay doesn’t give user names, you can match up with feedback scores. This doesn’t necessarily mean anything, maybe the purchaser of the ring gifted it and then the recipient decided to sell it.
Nevertheless, it is also weird that the Tiffany paperwork has two different men’s names who live at the same address.
Further with the earrings, from what I can see of the hallmarks, they don’t seem to match the format of how Tiffany does them and the jump link joining the dangle to earring fitting seems larger in size.
Definately refer back to the Tiffany store in Toronto who issued the valuations for confirmation.

 

[AnastasiaBeaverhausen]

Ok, because I was bored.
The seller who sold your husband the earrings, originally had a listing for both a ring and earrings together. The sale dated 31 Dec was for $6,999 for both, however matching back to the feedback for the seller, the price was only $3,000 so I’m presuming that the buyer only wanted the ring and paid $3,000 for the ring.
Then the seller re listed the earrings later which your husband purchased.
The ring your husband bought in Feb appears to be the same ring that was originally sold on 31 Dec.
The weird bit is that the buyer of the ring isn’t the same eBay account that then, in Feb, resold the ring on eBay.
While eBay doesn’t give user names, you can match up with feedback scores. This doesn’t necessarily mean anything, maybe the purchaser of the ring gifted it and then the recipient decided to sell it.
Nevertheless, it is also weird that the Tiffany paperwork has two different men’s names who live at the same address.
Further with the earrings, from what I can see of the hallmarks, they don’t seem to match the format of how Tiffany does them and the jump link joining the dangle to earring fitting seems larger in size.
Definately refer back to the Tiffany store in Toronto who issued the valuations for confirmation.

The plot thickens!

 

[LLJsmom]

Checked my report. Looks somewhat different, but I don't think that necessarily means much. Mine is a U.S. report, and it looks pretty informal. Mine is not even signed, and mine was purchased directly from the store.

The grammatical errors seem annoying, but maybe that's by someone who isn't careful of this stuff. I don't like the different names at the same address. That doesn't make sense to me. The box looks fine. It may be just the lighting and angle, but the underside of the earrings doesn't look perfectly finished, but they should be. Bth, I would pass, but I'm more conservative and risk averse than most. @Bron357 had the best suggestion. I would call that Tiffany store and ask to speak to that gemologist and tell them you have a question regarding a piece you purchased, and/or a valuation that he prepared. Don't mention that you bought it second hand yet. Maybe you can see if there is even such a person employed there. And / or google the graduate gemologist. See what you can verify if this person is indeed a gemologist that works for Tiffany at that store.

 

[motownmama]

I can’t find Aron Sandler, Beni Shalom or Sam Garbarek in Toronto. The address is commercial building (driving school) with 2 Apts above. That means nothing in particular, but the first 2 names don’t link with that address. It’s hard these days not to leave SOME kind of a paper trail. 2017 wasn’t that long ago.