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Thoughts on this 3 ct stone from White Flash?

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SakuraFlower

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Looking at this stone from Whiteflash...

3.02 ct, I, SI2, No Flour.

Depth: 61.5%
Table: 57%
Girdle: 35.5%
Pav: 40.6%
9.23 x 9.28

It scores 1.4 on the HCA but only VG for spread. Shouldn't a 3 ct be at least 9.4mm in diameter.
Moreover, My other concern is the SI2 of course. According to the GIA plot there looks to be 1 crystal and 2 clouds on the table. Does that mean the stone won't be "eye clean"? Sorry if this is a dumb question but is a crystal a black spot? Or are black spots a different type of inclusion?

I've just started looking and am wondering if I am at least on the right track. Thanks!
 
oops meant to say "crown" above!
Also looking at this one...

Whiteflash
AGS Cert
2.83 Ct, H, SI2
Depth 59.9
Table 58.8
Crown 33.6
Pav 40.9

9.21 x 9.23

1.2 EX EX EX EX on the HCA. Also priced about 10% lower than the previously mentioned post. Any issues with a 58.8% table?
Also, the inclusions are the AGS certification. Does white flash provide additional images?

thanks!
 
Are you sure you want a 3 ct stone with I no flour? Seems like a lot of money to invest in a stone that is borderline noticeable as not pure white...

As far as inclusions, SI2 may be eye clean, or not. I would ask White Flash, as that's obviously important!

Both look good to me on the table% and crown/pav%s. :)
 
WF usually will designate if a stone is eye clean - does it have the stamp of approval? Is it an ACA? Or not? Is it in house? Can you post images or link the stone please?
 
Thanks for the reply! No neither stone is A Cut Above but both are Ideal/Excellent and score an EX EX EX EX (VG-spread) on the HCA. I've just begun looking for a stone so I'm sure I'll have to contact whiteflash and discuss in greater depth/request pictures.

I have not seen an "I" stone in person but have seen an "h" next to a "d" and it still looked gorgeous. I'll keep looking for one with fluorescence though. In your opinion, does fluorescence make the stone appear whiter under ALL conditions or just certain lighting?

Also, I won't be getting any side stones, just a simple platinum 6 prong setting so I'm not concerned about looking yellow in comparison to any smaller stones.

Thanks so much everyone!!!!!
 
I would not look at virtual stones at Whiteflash. They are known for their finely cut diamonds that they have cut for their inventory. I would not be having a Houston jeweler be calling in stones from NY. That would make no sense to me. I do highly recommend Whiteflash diamonds, however. I always click in-house when looking at their stones.

I would not go below VS2, or in certain cases, SI1 in a stone that size. Looking at SI2 virtual stones is impossible, really. Many may not be eyeclean. This one appears to have clear crystals and they are saying it is eyeclean:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3198012.htm
 
I have an "I" colored WF ACA (without fluorescence) and have no hesitation about the color:

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I probably should revise what I said...I know WF has called in gorgeous stones for people. I see a gorgeous oval posted today on their FB page. I just prefer WF's own rounds!
 
tjking82|1429218866|3863152 said:
Are you sure you want a 3 ct stone with I no flour? Seems like a lot of money to invest in a stone that is borderline noticeable as not pure white...

As far as inclusions, SI2 may be eye clean, or not. I would ask White Flash, as that's obviously important!

Both look good to me on the table% and crown/pav%s. :)
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I recently saw an I Si2 AGS ideal, it was totally eye clean. And white as can be facing up. I would get more info....

Been looking at these boards a long time, and there is a lot of conflicting advice from the "prosumers". Some say "don't touch an Si2 with a 10 foot pole" when in reality, many are eye clean. In fact, doesn't AGS now have 2 designations of Si2: grade 6 and 7 or something like that? A nice Si2 is much better than a poor Si2. As far as color, again, a well cut I or J is nothing to sneer at. Sure, people around here can be diamond snobs, but you are just looking for a beautiful stone that faces up white and looks amazing. You aren't walking around with the cert in your pocket; you aren't going to be showing it off to graduate gemologists all day long: let your eyes be the judge.

As far as color goes, I is pretty damn white when viewed even against an G, and looks the same as an H. Perhaps if you don't look at diamonds all day, but the people who are going to see the ring are going to not be looking at diamonds all day. They are going to see a well cut I diamond, facing up very white, and be super impressed at how white and bright it is. I wouldn't sweat it.
 
Sorry. late reply. I must have passed out after seeing m-2-b's ring :cheeky:

That is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen!!!!! You and Bliss are my diamond heroes :) Yup that is definitely white to me! I have seen some in-house stone on the whitefish website that are Si1 with the eye clean stamp of approval. Though I never realized they weren't in NYC. Ideally, I would like to see the stone in person so maybe it's gonna be easier just dealing with a NYC vender (closer to Toronto and I go frequently to see family anyway) . Would you suggest I approach ID Jewelry?

Also, in your opinions, would it be better to do an H/I Si1/Si2 or a J VS2 (assuming the all had flour. and most other things being equal)? Or is J getting a little sketchy based on the large carat weight? The budget is flexible (so I guess that's not a very good budget :eek: ) but I would feel more comfortable with spending less than $33-35K. (stone only). There is no huge rush either.

Thank you so much more all your informative replies! This really is the best place on the internet :) xo
 
I'd recommend sticking with I SI1 or higher for an ideal cut round.

If you want to go see stones in person, you'd need to make an appointment so that the vendor could call in stones for you at that time. If I were going to NY, I would use Good Old Gold (Long Island), personally. But IDJ is a good choice in the diamond district.

You generally only see the effect of fluorescence in UV lighting. I would absolutely NOT make that a requirement for an I color diamond. I have seen several of m-2b's I color diamonds in person, and I can assure you they were not showing a tint in natural lighting.
 
dawgcatching|1429244649|3863367 said:
tjking82|1429218866|3863152 said:
Are you sure you want a 3 ct stone with I no flour? Seems like a lot of money to invest in a stone that is borderline noticeable as not pure white...

As far as inclusions, SI2 may be eye clean, or not. I would ask White Flash, as that's obviously important!

Both look good to me on the table% and crown/pav%s. :)
Click to expand...

I recently saw an I Si2 AGS ideal, it was totally eye clean. And white as can be facing up. I would get more info....

Been looking at these boards a long time, and there is a lot of conflicting advice from the "prosumers". Some say "don't touch an Si2 with a 10 foot pole" when in reality, many are eye clean. In fact, doesn't AGS now have 2 designations of Si2: grade 6 and 7 or something like that? A nice Si2 is much better than a poor Si2. As far as color, again, a well cut I or J is nothing to sneer at. Sure, people around here can be diamond snobs, but you are just looking for a beautiful stone that faces up white and looks amazing. You aren't walking around with the cert in your pocket; you aren't going to be showing it off to graduate gemologists all day long: let your eyes be the judge.

As far as color goes, I is pretty damn white when viewed even against an G, and looks the same as an H. Perhaps if you don't look at diamonds all day, but the people who are going to see the ring are going to not be looking at diamonds all day. They are going to see a well cut I diamond, facing up very white, and be super impressed at how white and bright it is. I wouldn't sweat it.
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I just did a little experiment buy looking at all the SI2 stones listed by WF from D-J color between .70 carats and 3 carats. One stone was labelled eyeclean, and 14 stones were not labelled eyeclean on the site (which would be according to their standards).

All 16 stones had a grade of 6 for SI2. I don't know but 7 overlaps I1, so it maybe is used more for I1's.

The problem with SI2 is that sometimes they can be eyeclean, but inclusions such as clouds can still be negative for actual light performance. I would be wary of doing SI2 in a 3 ct stone, but you might find the needle in the haystack!
 
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