thoughts on this 1.86 I SI1?

[chobby100]

AGS
color: I
clarity: SI1 (eye clean)
size: 1.86
table: 56.8%
depth: 61.8%
crown angle: 33.6
pavillion angle: 40.8
Girdle: slight thick, faceted
culet: none (.3 on the sarin)
Polish/Symetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: none
measurements 7.82-7.88X4.86mm
polish: ideal
symmetry:ideal
Proportion: excellent

HCA Score: 1

Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread Very Good

Price: $11,300

Is this a good value for the price? What do you think of the stone overall?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

1.70 to 1.99 is very hard to find.
You can compare prices yourself.
Can you post an ideal-scope image?

 

[Kaleigh]

Have you seen this stone??

 

[Mara]

numbers sound good though i prefer a smaller depth...but as garry noted those sizes are very hard to find right now. price sounds good as well. can you get images, idealscopes etc?

 

[chobby100]

I have compared prices and its really pretty hard to find comparable. Just wondered what you all though re: prices. This is not from a B&M but via the net. So I have not seen the stone but got sarin and they have a generous return policy. If feedback is pretty good I may order the stone and have it independently appraised. Of course I also will be interested to see what I think while seeing it in person.

Any thoughts?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

A good guideline is 10% more than a comparable 1.50ct for the over size.
Get an ideal-scope image and save the shipping and dissapointment.

MElbourne came a fair way in the last decade or 2. Hard to consider living elsewhere now.

 

[chobby100]

10% more than what?

Should I price out (ala rappaport + retail mark up) a 1.5 equivilent than add 10%?

Sorry for the ignorance ...

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 5/8/2005 1:19:28 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
A good guideline is 10% more than a comparable 1.50ct for the over size.

Though not sure also what that means, if applied to the projection on the dollar per carat for one like this...by my back of the envelop calculation, should be spot on.

Best,

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

For price comparisons - you will find very few stones above 1.60ct - but many 1.50ct

Expect your 1.86ct to be worth 10% more per carat than a 1.5ct

 

[valeria101]

That quite find ! There aren't too many lucky fellows like this that just skip 2 cts. Not to mention I/SI is quite an attractive price point. Comparing with diamonds that do make the 2 carat step this is very attractive, of course.

If you are after H&A super ideal cut Sarin is not enough, but all it does tell is good news - surely you know that.

For the sake of comparison, there's just one AGS graded diamond with closely matching stats listed here (LINK) and I could not bet those inclusions do not show or that anything makes the 1k extra worth the effort

Given the GIA report on yours it does seem hard to find less expensive and if so, by little. I would not expect to bargain that price down successfully especially if this is clean, but you can always try...

 

[dastewar]

Date: 5/9/2005 1:41:55 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
For price comparisons - you will find very few stones above 1.60ct - but many 1.50ct

Expect your 1.86ct to be worth 10% more per carat than a 1.5ct

Garry, I am not disagreeing with your point, but had a follow up question. Is it because the market right now is tight for the slightly larger stones, or is it usually in the 10% range?

(Given the 10% premium and something in the 9K/carat range for 1.55, you''d be paying close to 3K for 15 points to get to 1.70 -- am I the only person who thinks this is completely crazy and nobody would pay $20K per carat on the incremental 15 points??)

 

[Mara]

smith i think your math may be wrong..where are you getting 20k per carat?

assuming a $9000 price for a 1.55c stone.

that means that the 1.55 stone is $5800 per carat. take 10% markup. $580.00. add them. now it's $6380 per carat for a stone between 1.6 and 1.9.

multiply 1.85 by $6380. $11800.

So that's $2800 more for a jump from 1.55 to a 1.85c.

someone would have to figure out if they want to pay more but a 1.55c may have a spread of around 7.5mm while a 1.85c could have a spread of around 7.85mm so that's .35mm that some would be willing to pay more for depending on what sort of upgrade it is.

 

[dastewar]

Mara, I think the right way to think about it is to think incrementally. The logic goes like this:

Stone 1 = base case stone. 1.55 carats, $9,000 per carat = $13,950.
Stone 2 = same as stone 1 but 1.70 carats, which implies a price per carat of $9,000 * 1.1 = 9,900. This gives a total price of $9,900 * 1.70 = 16,830.

The differences between the stones are 1.70 - 1.55 = 0.15 carats and $16,830 - $13,950 = $2,880. So the incremental 15 points costs a whopping 2,880. One way to think of this premium is that the last 15 points costs, on a $/carat basis, 2,880 / 0.15 = 19,200.

EDIT: In your example, the last 30 points is 2,800 or $9,333 per carat, which is huge when the base stone is only $5,806 per carat.

 

[Mara]

definitely when you take a larger /carat $$ the amount is going to go up...10% of 10000 is different than 10% of 100000.

i used $9k for a 1.55c rather than $9k PER carat.

i wonder if the increase from 1.5 to 2c is not going to be much more than from 1.5 to 1.6-1.9..if so maybe that 10% doesn''t seem like so much if confronted with 20%!

 

[dastewar]

You must admit that those of us on this forum are more likely to prefer 1.55 carat stones that are closer to 14K than 9K

Anyhow, I hope you see my point that the last 15-30 points is costing you about 50% more per carat than the first 1.55 carats.

 

[Mara]

Date: 5/9/2005 7:13:28 PM
Author: Smith
You must admit that those of us on this forum are more likely to prefer 1.55 carat stones that are closer to 14K than 9K

Not really...my beautiful 1.60c was under $8k.

This forum is about education, beauty, and many times getting the most bang out of your buck...for me and many others on here, a 1.55c stone that is $14k does not fit that last requirement.

Check out the threads on color and clarity to see what many people on PS have.

We do have the D VVS people, but we also have many I/J SI lovers as well...and those bring lower price tags. AND of course!...we have all those diamond lovers in between!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

The jump on Rap for 1.5ct to 2ct is 1.2857 times more.

So 1.1 times more for near 2ct is not a silly premium.

Try to find them - in well cut stones - they do not exist because they get sold real fast and cutters can usually push the weight to 2.00ct with a bad make - get hit with a bigger discount - but still be infront.

 

[dastewar]

Anyhow, I really do hope you at least get the point of what I am writing about ... do you?

EDIT: this reply is to Mara, I am getting used to a forum that doesn't specify who you are responding to.

 

[dastewar]

I believe we should be talking about 1.5x, not 1.1x.

EDIT: This reply is to the esteemed Garry Holloway.

 

[chobby100]

Date: 5/9/2005 11

7:56 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
The jump on Rap for 1.5ct to 2ct is 1.2857 times more.

So 1.1 times more for near 2ct is not a silly premium.

Try to find them - in well cut stones - they do not exist because they get sold real fast and cutters can usually push the weight to 2.00ct with a bad make - get hit with a bigger discount - but still be infront.

My thoughts exactly! Sure you pay a premium over the 1.5, but less than the 2.0. Now finding great ones ...