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davidwolf

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Hello everyone,

After going through many posts and some of the great tutorials and docs on this site I have narrowed down my choices and have put some stones on hold that will be inspected next week. Hoping that I can get some opinions here.

Stone 1.

1.26 ct G VS1 A Cut Above H&A

Report: AGS
. Shape: A Cut Above H&A
. Carat: 1.260
. Depth %: 60.9
. Table %: 54.4
. Crown Angle: 35
. Crown %: 15.9
. Pavilion Angle: 40.8
. Pavilion %: 43
. Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
. Measurements: 7.00-7.03X4.27
. Light Performance: 0
. Polish: Ideal
. Symmetry: Ideal
. Culet: Pointed
. Fluorescence: Negligible

IS_AGS-6782310.jpg


Stone 2.

1.26 ct G VS2 A Cut Above H&A

Report: AGS
. Shape: A Cut Above H&A
. Carat: 1.260
. Depth %: 61.3
. Table %: 56
. Crown Angle: 34.9
. Crown %: 15.3
. Star : 52
. Pavilion Angle: 40.7
. Pavilion %: 42.9
. Lower Girdle %: 76
. Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
. Measurements: 6.95-6.97X4.27
. Light Performance: 0
. Polish: Ideal
. Symmetry: Ideal
. Culet: Pointed
. Fluorescence: Negligible

IS_AGS-7523407.jpg


I am sure both are great. The first stone seems to be a mix between the new and classic line. I like the specs of the first stone better but like the price better of the second, around 1k cheaper.

Just want to say that this has been a great experience and the wealth of information provided on this site from all its great users has truly simplified what I had initially thought to be a difficult process.

Thanks in advance!

Dave
 
Honestly, here''s one situation where I think they are so similar that I''d go for the less expensive one. I don''t think you''ll be able to tell much of a difference...they are both great stones!
 
They should both be beautiful. Maybe a slight chance #1 would be a bit more firey. I assume you''re going to get to see them? Then let your eyes choose!
 
I''m not an expert on "specs" but I have a Whiteflash ACA, and my crown angle is like stone #1, it''s 35 and the pavilion angle is 40.8 and re Ellen''s comment, it is very firey. I''ll be interested to see which one you pick.
 
Is it just me, or is the second stone not as good with its symmetry?
 
Date: 9/29/2006 2:45:09 PM
Author: davidwolf
Is it just me, or is the second stone not as good with its symmetry?
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I think I know what you're seeing, and my guess is, something was tilted when the pic was snapped. I've seen this before. Of course it would be best to just ask WF, but it's an ACA, so I doubt it's really that off.
 
you can''t go wrong here, I''d ask whiteflash for their opinion. They will be honest.
 
I like #1, but really can''t go wrong with either stone. I''d call them on Monday, have them pull them for you and give your their honest opinion. I have bought from them twice now, and they are always very helpful in this regard. Good luck!!
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Went with #1. This stone is totally awesome. There is definately a difference to my eyes between the new line and classic cut. My preference was for the new line. This baby scores 3+ VH on color. My experience with whiteflash has been perfect to say the least. Ask for Tracy she will take care of you.
 
Congrats, David! I love G VS1!!! Now where are the pics!!!???
 
Congrats! And ditto on pics.
 
Congratulations! I loved #1 too, but not for any in-depth analysis of the numbers, the IS just looked so nice to me! I am a sucker for the New Line too.

Post pics! Post pics! Post pics!

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Ok, I think I have gone as nuts as most of you on the forum.

I just looked at a 1.5 from WF too. Am I neurotic for even considering this? Would both of these stones look just as good? Am I better off upgrading to a 1.5x G/VS1 later when I can afford it?

I considered this because it is only a little bit more.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-61334.htm#
 
Aha!!! and therein lies the slippery slope! This is exactly what I did!. Thought, I know I could get a much bigger diamond for almost the same money by dropping color.. then after I had mentally committed that money wanted the higher color again but in the new BIGGER size!! so I upped the budget then went through that cycle all over again until I completely maxed out every last bit of budget I had.!! Ha the bug has got you!!

I got Brian at Whiteflash (the master cutter extraordinaire) to eyeball a G and the I that I have ordered together. He said that to his (exceedingly trained- that''s my addition) eye there was only a slight difference in color loose and from the side. Mounted you would not be able to tell the difference. And guess what? I believe him!

You could ask someone to eyeball them together for you maybe?

Good luck - a
 
Well, I''d say that if you are open to the upgrade idea, I might go ahead and get the 1.5 stone now and then you could always upgrade just the color and clarity later and stay with the 1.5 size if you weren''t satisfied with the I color long term. Whereas starting with a 1.25 now you''d likely have to change settings if you later upgraded to a 1.5. But I did really like your G VS1!
But welcome to the club of second guessing your decision!
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Yes, it is very easy to second guess yourself with all the talk that goes on here. Really though. What difference would one see other then price from the I to a G face up?
 
David, face up there won''t be a lot of difference. I color is that borderline color for me...some look fine and show little color even from the side and others may show a little more. I wish you had the choice of an H just to make this easier! But the great thing is they do have 10 days in which you could chnage to the other stone if you decided you were sensitive to the color. I think the stone sounds great, though, and worth a shot!
 
I''d take that "I" in a heartbeat! Great numbers, great idealscope image, great color! I''m a big fan of I stones, because I think they are that perfect shade of white. But, I''m biased because I have an "I." Really, it''s a matter of your own preference, no one can answer this one for you. Some would want the smaller G, some would want the larger I. I''d pull the trigger and get the I, use the examination period to decide how you like the color, and if it bothers you, send it back for the G!
 
Date: 10/28/2006 11:39:22 AM
Author: davidwolf
Hrm, I who the above poster really is :)

How about this one?

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-62625.htm

vs

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-61334.htm


Thoughts anyone else?
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I think you''re splitting hairs.
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Except, looking at the IS I "think" the first one is the Classic line, and the second one is the new line, they will have slightly different looks. I''d ask to make sure if you''re interested.
 
So, the G 1.25 face up appears to have more white light and scintilation. The 1.53 I VS2 has less white light, more contrast and just as much color a little bit less scintilation. This is like splitting hairs...I don''t know what to do.
 
Date: 10/28/2006 12:07:05 PM
Author: davidwolf
So, the G 1.25 face up appears to have more white light and scintilation. The 1.53 I VS2 has less white light, more contrast and just as much color a little bit less scintilation. This is like splitting hairs...I don''t know what to do.
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If it''s between these two, look at the two factors that aren''t splitting hairs.

One is G, one is I. Does color matter, is someone color sensitive? If not, cancel out color, and you''re left with size. Bigger is better here.
 
I would go for the I as well. A well graded I color stone will still face up white and is able to be set in Platinum or white gold and once set... you will not see a difference from the side it most cases. I think this is your best value and a very large stone.

Like others said, take the examination period to make your final choice, but I bet you will be happy with it looking at the numbers.

Good luck.
 
Like I said, when looking at the stones, the "I" does not return as much white light and have as much scintilation as the G. Color, they are the same, the "I" has bigger flashes of color. The gemologist confirmed that the smaller stone performs "slightly" better.

Once it is mounted will the differences even appear less? In terms of color of actual color grading, face up, there is no difference between the G and I that I can see. Its more of a performance factor here, but as I mentioned before, will this even be noticeable when mounted really given that they are both AGS 0.

I will be going ahead with a Sunburst mounting from Mark.
 
David, the only way you will notice the difference is if they are side by side.
 
Facefire, do you work at WF?
 
Why would somebody who worked at WF come on the forum and tell you to get the least expensive one? Plus that''s a serious breach of ethics and WF would surely be banned from here if they were posing as consumers on here.
 
Date: 10/28/2006 4:05:24 PM
Author: davidwolf
Facefire, do you work at WF?
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Heck no. I'm a recent law school graduate who just moved to the Washington DC area from North Carolina. I just admired that stone. I've actually never purchased from WF, but I hope to in the future. Their stones and those from GOG impress me the most. My e-ring diamond is actually from a local B&M in NC. I think you're jumping the gun a bit based on my opinion of the diamonds you've liked. If you'd read any of my other posts/threads, you'd know that I like stones from a lot of the online dealers and that I actually deal with a local B&M for most of my purchases.
 
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