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While in the process of looking for a setting for a recently purchased diamond from BGD (1.475 H SI1 blue), I reached out to a Minneapolis based jeweler regarding one of their settings. They informed me that they do not set other loose diamonds, but they would be willing to see if they could find a similar stone in the same price range. Knowing that it would be very difficult to find a stone with the same quality, I sent her the link to the stone I purchased. Below is the response I received today and I would like your thoughts on the matter.

Here is the link to the stone I purchased (which BGD verified is completely eye clean from all angles and distances):

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.475-h-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104074030027

Here is the response:

"As you may know, AGS is a little more lenient in their grading compared to GIA. We typically see that their color grading is off, but the clarity grade on this diamond seems to be a lucky grade. We can see this has a dead center dark inclusion, which is a borderline SI-2 and in my opinion could easily be eye visible.

Taking into consideration for the diamond you already purchased, this stone would definitely be a better value for your money.
1.43 H / SI1 - $11,430 ($10,859 if paid by bank wire, cashiers check)

-eye clean, inclusions off of table
-clear material mined in Canada
Canada Mark # CM-154078
GIA # 5176601447
Triple Ex - Hearts and Arrows

We typically try to find diamonds that are on the plus side of their 4 C's grade. In this case, we want the SI-1 to be a borderline VS-2, and the H color to face up whiter. I personally like Faint to Medium Fluorescence in my "Near Colorless" diamonds, as it will usually help the diamond face up whiter. Strong Fluorescence will usually show it's glowing blue hue in sunlight, which can lead to a lot of questions and explanations. This diamond is also a Canadian mined diamond with documentation. We've always found that Canadian diamonds seem to be a cleaner material overall.

This diamond is not in store to view right now, but belongs to one of our premier diamond cutters. I can have it sent in for comparison if you're interested in it."

GIA Report: http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=5176601447

143_h_si1__1__0.jpg

I feel like many of the things stated in the email, directly contradict what I have learned here on PS.

I greatly appreciate any input!

Matt
 
Re: Thoughts on Jeweler's response regarding BGD blue stone.

Typical salesperson.

The person has no idea the clarity grade based on a single video.

The other statements about fluor are dubious, as well.

Any 'assessment' by someone trying to sell similar product will have their own goods coming out on top, 10 out of 10 times.

This is a sales pitch and nothing more.
 
Re: Thoughts on Jeweler's response regarding BGD blue stone.

Actually it isn't that bad but that picture is badly taken and I don't know why anyone would use it to represent their diamond.
 
Re: Thoughts on Jeweler's response regarding BGD blue stone.

Yeah... I'm sure their diamond is beautiful, but methinks they are trying too hard.

If it is Knox Jewelers in MN, don't bother.

And fluorescence is a personal thing, some people love it, some people hate it, go with what you are comfortable with.

That video is hugely magnified, and while at that size you can see the inclusions, if BGD told you it was eye clean in person, I'd believe them.
 
Re: Thoughts on Jeweler's response regarding BGD blue stone.

memogensen|1412876370|3764916 said:
"As you may know, AGS is a little more lenient in their grading compared to GIA. We typically see that their color grading is off, but the clarity grade on this diamond seems to be a lucky grade. We can see this has a dead center dark inclusion, which is a borderline SI-2 and in my opinion could easily be eye visible.

Sometimes on borderline grade stones ags will go one way and GIA another but the same is true of the different GIA labs and people are shopping GIA labs on borderline stone before offering them. Overall it is close to GIA
Again on the clarity call without seeing the diamond is BS and AGS is usualy slightly stricter than GIA in the si range on clarity

Taking into consideration for the diamond you already purchased, this stone would definitely be a better value for your money.
1.43 H / SI1 - $11,430 ($10,859 if paid by bank wire, cashiers check)

-eye clean, inclusions off of table
-clear material mined in Canada
Canada Mark # CM-154078
GIA # 5176601447
Triple Ex - Hearts and Arrows
where is the hearts image?

We typically try to find diamonds that are on the plus side of their 4 C's grade. In this case, we want the SI-1 to be a borderline VS-2, and the H color to face up whiter.
So does everyone else and how do they determine that without seeing the diamond? Some diamonds are sold pre-report with internal grading that does split the color and clarity range but if it has a report generally they are sold as the report grade period.


I personally like Faint to Medium Fluorescence in my "Near Colorless" diamonds, as it will usually help the diamond face up whiter.
faint isnt going to help med and up maybe but its not as much as some think.

Strong Fluorescence will usually show it's glowing blue hue in sunlight, which can lead to a lot of questions and explanations.
This is true. Someone not expecting it will sometimes freak out and think something is wrong. Others are expecting it and think its kewl. The key is education.

This diamond is also a Canadian mined diamond with documentation.
kewl but there are many other sources of ethically produced rough.

We've always found that Canadian diamonds seem to be a cleaner material overall.
What does that have to do with the price of beans when your talking about a specific diamond?

This diamond is not in store to view right now, but belongs to one of our premier diamond cutters. I can have it sent in for comparison if you're interested in it."

The numbers aren't bad but its a different look than the near tolk BG.
GIA Report: http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=5176601447

Why would someone use a pic this bad to sell a diamond?
143_h_si1__1__0.jpg

I feel like many of the things stated in the email, directly contradict what I have learned here on PS.
its not that bad other than some half truths on the AGS color and being wrong on clarity comments.
I greatly appreciate any input!

Matt
 
Re: Thoughts on Jeweler's response regarding BGD blue stone.

We had a thread once about a study in which a set of diamonds was submitted to three or four different labs for grading... I've tried without success to find that thread. If anyone has a link, could you please post it?

Or... would it no longer be valid since the study is not probably at least two years old?

Sorry about the thread-jack!
 
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