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If the stone is a true I and shows no yellow. Blue fluorescence or any other lluorescense has a tendancy to further fog the look of the diamond. In addition, the stone will only fluoresce under certain lighting conditions.

Howard Lebow
Lebow Diamond Brokers
 
I tend to disagree. There are many people here that have flourescence in their stones and they are not milky or cloudy. Although strong flourescence can have this effect but not always.
 
Do a search for fluoresence...I think you''ll find a LOT of PSers are big fans of it in their rings, and have experiences that actually go against the "foggy/milky/oily" reputation that fl can have. And of course, the only true judge is going to be your own eyes, but there''s been a lot of positive chat about FL on here. Good luck!!
 
Date: 5/26/2005 4:57:39 PM
Author: Lebowdia
If the stone is a true I and shows no yellow. Blue fluorescence or any other lluorescense has a tendancy to further fog the look of the diamond. In addition, the stone will only fluoresce under certain lighting conditions.

Howard Lebow
Lebow Diamond Brokers
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further fog? what would be making it fog in the first place?
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Agreed to a certain point- faint is usually more acceptable. Bottom line is Fluorescing diamonds cost less from the cutters. As long as consumers know these factors when they purchase.

I became addicted to fine diamonds at a very young age. Most of our clientele prefers finer diamonds. Demographics.

I would like to add that out industry is a business of trust and integrity. This is a good forum for consumers.

Regards,

Howard Lebow
Lebow Diamond Brokers
 
D is colorless- I has a high degree of color. Color absorbs light and slows down the fire or reflection of light.



Howard Lebow
Lebow Diamond Brokers
Cincinnati,Ohio
 
The GIA regards "I" as near-colorless, which is a bit different than a "high degree" of color. Warmer, certainly. But depending on cut quality, it's not like an I is going to face up as yellow--some face up quite white, some do not.

I am personally more color-sensitive, but each individual's parameters for diamonds are different...to each (diamond lover) his or her own!
 
first, i would like to say
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and welcome to Howard. You are located in my hometown which I miss terribly. I grew up on Skyline and Graeters
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I happen to like flour. in a stone too but I agree all stones are not created equal so you should let your eyes be the judge. some do look milky while others do not. Can you get someone knowelable at BN to tell you how it looks? Do they have a good return policy? Will they ship it to an indepentant appraiser for you to look at and have evaluated by and indepentant source?
 
Yes, the strong blue could make the stone face up whiter. I have a 3c I color stone w/ strong blue. It faced up CONSIDERABLY whiter than other I 3c''s.

It''s rare - but sometimes SB Fluor can make the diamond look cloudy or milky in sunlight. So, you must view the stone in all lighting circumstances. In direct sunlight, my stone does have a purplish hue. Some don''t like that effect.

I happen to love the effect of Blue Fluor. In fact, regardless of industry view, I wouldn''t buy a stone without it. My stones look more plugged in. Years back these stones were *prized* as "blue white". Many stones became overgraded, the term misused & the industry got burnt. This industry is like a dinosaur & doesn''t adapt well. Some in the industry may diss them; but, I have YET to hear a valid reason (except for overblues that do become cloudy - & I''ve yet to have a dealer say that this happens with any kind of frequency) Stones of better color will trade for less. Stones in the near colorless range may trade for a tad more.

I would ask BN to eyeball it. In looking at the inclusions on the plot, they may be eye visable. However, your threshold for seeing such may not matter. It''s the type of stone I would consider. I have the perfect little stone. When I search for my 20th anniv. ring, I wanted something that just plain looked pretty visually & was sizable. Some could call my stone and this type of stone a bluff stone - lots of bang for the buck.

Good luck.
 
Date: 5/26/2005 5:33:01 PM
Author: blueroses
The GIA regards ''I'' as near-colorless, which is a bit different than a ''high degree'' of color. Warmer, certainly.
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AMEN, Blueroses, and well-said!

Counting down - D/E/F is colorless; G/H/I/J are "near coloreless".....there''s a reason they are grouped together that way.

Misconceptions about this comes from years of "diamond snobbery" bred by folks who had a vested interest in the higher-profit stones. When I was shopping, I noticed a big push at traditional jewelers to portray quality as D/E/F and VVS/VS....and why wouldn''t they? That''s where the heavy bucks are. It''s interesting to me that folks so concerned with "finer" diamonds don''t seem to focus much on cut.

This focus on D/E/F has, by default, led the average consumer to think that G/H/I/J stones are sub-standard, and that''s not so. Well cut near-colorless stones represent some of the BEST values going becaue they look amazingly white and they don''t carry the hefty premium.
 
"Some jewelers believe that fluorescence is always an undesirable characteristic. However, GIA''s research indicates that fluorescence is not necessarily negative, and in some cases, fluorescence actually has a positive effect by making a diamond appear whiter." - GIA Library: What is fluorescence.


"In this study, blue fluorescence was found to have even less effect on transparency."

"... the effect of fluorescence on color was most noticeable in the lower (I and K) colors, although in the marketplace the influence on price is greater in the higher (D through H) colors."

"A Contribution to Understanding the Effect of Blue Fluorescence on the Appearance of Diamonds." - GEMS & GEMOLOGY Winter 1997


 
I totally agree. GH&I are near colorless and in no way have a high degree of color. These stones when well cut are awesome and a great value.
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Sorry it took so long to respond. I own a retail diamond brokerage and had clients. I fell in love with Cincinnati when I visited years ago. Graeters is by far the best ice cream ever and is quite addictive.

I didn''t understand your question concerning your diamond. Do you want to purchase a stone?

I can see that many do not agree with my opinion on stones. So, lets start with this. Yes, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. For comparison purposes good lighting is very important.
If you set 3 diamonds next to each other , say a D, G and a J. J will have a very slight yellow tint. It becomes worse after the diamond is worn and becomes dirty. The G will have body color-usualy a touch of white where the D has no body color. Cut is very important, as is clarity. Poor cutting geometry makes for less brilliance. Too many imperfections block light.

Take your pick on where you want to be. My recommendation is to find a good local diamond dealer and compare stones yourself. Many dealers will meet or beat internet pricing.-So, arm yourself with internet pricing. If you want medium to high quality try to purchase a GIA or AGS certed diamond. EGl is a softer cert. Diamonds that are not certed usually won''t measure up at the labs. If a consumer see''s a negative on a report they will avoid the diamond. Hence, non certed.

Understand that diamonds are not highly profitable. Certed diamonds are comparable and give the consumers some reliable factors to compare with. This makes the diamonds less profitable because of the ability to compare. Many retailers would prefer to sell non certed diamonds in order to make more money. ( Retailers are any company that sells directly to the public.)

Last, Don''t forget about the engineering of the ring. If the retailer cannot make money on the diamond then they try to pump in more profit on the ring. Or they use a cheap, lightweight ring to hold the price down. This makes them look more competitive.

Remember the ring should have good weight and finishing and preferablly a platinum head of high quality for added durability. The labor must be flawless or you stand the chance of the diamond becoming loose at a later time.

Do your homework, and good luck.

Howard Lebow
Lebow Diamond Brokers Cincinnati,Ohio
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. The Stone is being shipped to Rock Dock on Tuesday. Also I forgot to mention the price on this bad boy is 32k. It is a little higher than I wanted to go but if it all checks out I will probably go through. I have a couple other stones on the back burner right now and this looks to be my best prospect.
 
That''s great let us know how it goes!!!!
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Kaliegh, what kind of setting do you think I should go with on a stone like this?
 
It''s a big stone so I would go with a nice solitaire setting in platinum, maybe with some pave going down the sides. Just a thought?? This stone should be the star of whatever setting you pick. Halo''s which are very popular now won''t work with a stone this size. I would let it shine on it''s own, just my 0.2.
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Thats what I was thinking. What is a PAve?
 
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