third set of twins!

[diamondsrock]

I saw this on the news today and found an article. Can you believe she is so young and has so many children? I don't know how she can handle them all! I wonder how many she will have by the time she's 30 at this rate....hmmmmm. She may have more twins later on in life since she is so young. Pretty amazing to have three sets without fertility drugs.
I hope she has a lot of family who can help out.

http://www.khou.com/news/state/stories/khou070601_tnt_twins.53a8755.html

 

[ForteKitty]

... or a lot of welfare. 7 kids, 2 unemployed parents age 21 & 20.

I'll keep the rest of my comments about closing legs to myself.

 

[Love in Bloom]

Date: 6/1/2007 6:34:46 PM
Author: ForteKitty
... or a lot of welfare. 7 kids, 2 unemployed parents age 21 & 22.

I''ll keep the rest of my comments about closing legs to myself.

ITA! I''m glad I''m not the only one thinking those kinds of thoughts....

 

[oshinbreez]

This makes me so mad. Granted, it is a miracle that she has 3 sets of twins. But, clearly she can''t support them. I feel like the whole welfare system needs re-vamped. It really irritates me all the people on welfare that don''t work. Sorry, but I feel that welfare should help people, not support them. Sure, there are some that need full support. But, I''ve always felt it should be more of a supplement. And having babies is not a good enough reason to be supported by taxpayers. After my divorce, I got ADC to help supplement my income. My case worker told me that I''d be "better off to quit my job and go completely on welfare". Needless to say, I didn''t quit my job and struggled financially to raise my kids. I think it would be best for the kids to be in foster care and make the mother work. Wonder how many dads are involved?

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 6/1/2007 6:38:20 PM
Author: Love in Bloom

Date: 6/1/2007 6:34:46 PM

Author: ForteKitty

... or a lot of welfare. 7 kids, 2 unemployed parents age 21 & 22.


I''ll keep the rest of my comments about closing legs to myself.

ITA! I''m glad I''m not the only one thinking those kinds of thoughts....

Yup, you''re not the only two either.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 6/1/2007 6:45:34 PM
Author: oshinbreez
This makes me so mad. Granted, it is a miracle that she has 3 sets of twins. But, clearly she can''t support them. I feel like the whole welfare system needs re-vamped. It really irritates me all the people on welfare that don''t work. Sorry, but I feel that welfare should help people, not support them. Sure, there are some that need full support. But, I''ve always felt it should be more of a supplement. And having babies is not a good enough reason to be supported by taxpayers. After my divorce, I got ADC to help supplement my income. My case worker told me that I''d be ''better off to quit my job and go completely on welfare''. Needless to say, I didn''t quit my job and struggled financially to raise my kids. I think it would be best for the kids to be in foster care and make the mother work. Wonder how many dads are involved?

They have revamped the system and now it is very difficult to receive welfare without working. There are a few exceptions, but not many. There are also strict timelimits, both period timelimits and lifetime timelimits. And they have removed a lot of the "incentive" payments for new births too.

Still not a great system, but the "free ride" thing doesn''t occur often anymore.

 

[oshinbreez]

Date: 6/1/2007 6:48:31 PM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 6/1/2007 6:45:34 PM

Author: oshinbreez

This makes me so mad. Granted, it is a miracle that she has 3 sets of twins. But, clearly she can''t support them. I feel like the whole welfare system needs re-vamped. It really irritates me all the people on welfare that don''t work. Sorry, but I feel that welfare should help people, not support them. Sure, there are some that need full support. But, I''ve always felt it should be more of a supplement. And having babies is not a good enough reason to be supported by taxpayers. After my divorce, I got ADC to help supplement my income. My case worker told me that I''d be ''better off to quit my job and go completely on welfare''. Needless to say, I didn''t quit my job and struggled financially to raise my kids. I think it would be best for the kids to be in foster care and make the mother work. Wonder how many dads are involved?

They have revamped the system and now it is very difficult to receive welfare without working. There are a few exceptions, but not many. There are also strict timelimits, both period timelimits and lifetime timelimits. And they have removed a lot of the ''incentive'' payments for new births too.


Still not a great system, but the ''free ride'' thing doesn''t occur often anymore.

Thanks for the info. 20+ years ago when I was told to quit working it really bothered me. Glad to hear things have changed some.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 6/1/2007 6:51:22 PM
Author: oshinbreez

Date: 6/1/2007 6:48:31 PM

Author: neatfreak

Date: 6/1/2007 6:45:34 PM


Author: oshinbreez


This makes me so mad. Granted, it is a miracle that she has 3 sets of twins. But, clearly she can't support them. I feel like the whole welfare system needs re-vamped. It really irritates me all the people on welfare that don't work. Sorry, but I feel that welfare should help people, not support them. Sure, there are some that need full support. But, I've always felt it should be more of a supplement. And having babies is not a good enough reason to be supported by taxpayers. After my divorce, I got ADC to help supplement my income. My case worker told me that I'd be 'better off to quit my job and go completely on welfare'. Needless to say, I didn't quit my job and struggled financially to raise my kids. I think it would be best for the kids to be in foster care and make the mother work. Wonder how many dads are involved?

They have revamped the system and now it is very difficult to receive welfare without working. There are a few exceptions, but not many. There are also strict timelimits, both period timelimits and lifetime timelimits. And they have removed a lot of the 'incentive' payments for new births too.



Still not a great system, but the 'free ride' thing doesn't occur often anymore.

Thanks for the info. 20+ years ago when I was told to quit working it really bothered me. Glad to hear things have changed some.

Yeah, things have changed A LOT. I expect when they say raised on "welfare" in that article they really mean other welfare programs because cash welfare is very hard to get these days.

If you're interested in reading about the changes the act was called PRWORA:

http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cse/new/prwora.htm

Sorry for the schpiel, I'm in public policy as a discipline and I focus on health and welfare, so I try to inform when I can.

 

[Lynn B]

One of my co-workers has a daughter who had two sets of twins (no fertility drugs either time) 5 years apart... and the older twins were so funny... when they''d see a single baby in a stroller or with their parents, they''d ask their mommy, "Where''s the OTHER one?" They thought ALL babies came in pairs!!!

 

[Love in Bloom]

Haha, LynnB, that is too cute!

 

[asscherisme]

No matter how rare the births are, I think its rather sad for them to have 6 kids at ages 20 and 21 and not be able to support them.

 

[snlee]

Lynn B, that's so cute!

I have the same thoughts as most of you. That makes me sad. Yes, it's a miracle to have 3 sets of twins but 7 kids under the age of 5, at ages 20 and 21, all being supported by welfare is crazy!! Have they ever heard of birth control?

 

[door knob solitaire]

Oh my did you see those two young precious faces?

That is all I can say about this subject....and not be BANNED from society.

DKS

 

[biblobaggins23]

i wonder if she is taking fertility drugs. the odds of that happening naturally are slim to none.

 

[VegasAngel]

So, she obviously has no problem with her kids growing up in poverty-nice They should make women like this get their tubes tied.

 

[cnspotts]

I''ve known a couple that had a 2 sets of twins, with a "single" in between. They were all fairly close together and definitely not created due to fertility drugs (just lucky). Fortunately they could afford their kids.

 

[monarch64]

Interesting article, although i found the last sentence a little strange!

Having multiple sets of twins or multiple births period would be my worst nightmare, lol! My MIL has told me that after she had her last baby, my DH, the only boy and brother of two older sisters, she used to tell him she hoped he would grow up and have triplet boys so he would understand her frustrations in raising him...but she says when she met me and grew to love me she takes it back!, LOL! (So that's why I say multiples are my worst nightmare. In reality I'm sure I would feel very blessed.)

I don't understand how a 20-21 year old has 7 children, though. No judgment here, but WOW, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, lol!

 

[anchor31]

 

[eks6426]

I''m sure I''ll get chastised, but I think part of the deal to get Welfare should be that you are temporarily infertile....Norplant etc. would be a requirement. Don''t have MORE kids if you can''t afford the ones you already have. I''m sure it will never happen though...ethical/religious etc. reasons. I did a lot of research on Welfare in college and it''s such a catch 22 with the women like the lady with multiple triplets. In order for her to work, she needs basically FREE childcare. There''s not going to be any job she can do that even covers the cost of daycare for all those kids. Heck, even at my college degree salary if I had that many kids in daycare it wouldn''t be worth it for me to work.

 

[Independent Gal]

I was about to say 'which is why the heavily subsidized daycare in places like Quebec is such a good idea' but I think it's something like $7 a day there, x 7 kids is $50 a day! Which is still unaffordable.

Welfare does have it's place. My maternal grandmother came to my country as a refugee when she was 12. She was alone and didn't speak the language. She went to work in a factory, married a man who also worked in a factory, had three kids, and then her husband fell ill with cancer. They couldn't afford medical care, so he basically died slowly and painfully at home. Eventually, someone had to take care of him so she had to stop working for a couple of years, and then couldn't find work (being a basically illiterate, middle-aged woman who could barely speak the language). They were so poor that my mom had to always wear ill fitting shoes that they got at a charity. She got her first pair of NEW shoes when she was 16! And when she got scarlet fever, her mom had to decide between taking her to the doctor or putting food on the table. So they were on welfare for a few years until my uncle finished school and went to support the family, putting his further education on hold. The kids then took turns putting each other through college and supporting the family. They're all highly successful in their professions today and pay plenty in taxes to help support others who might be in similar situations.

I know that there are plenty of people who are dishonest or irresponsible about welfare, but try as I might, I don't know what my mom's family could have done other than take the small helping hand the state held out. If they had just quit school and gone to work at 16, they would not only have destroyed their own potential (and they've all made huge contributions to my country and society) but they would have barely made a living going forward and not contributed to the tax base. So, for that 2 or 3 years of state help, I think the state benefited tremendously in the long run. Not to mention my mom and her family.
I know not every case is like that. But thank heavens there was help for my mom's family. Their troubles were not for lack of trying.

 

[anchor31]

Date: 6/4/2007 9:31:25 AM
Author: Independent Gal
I was about to say ''which is why the heavily subsidized daycare in places like Quebec is such a good idea'' but I think it''s something like $7 a day there, x 7 kids is $50 a day! Which is still unaffordable.

It used to be 5$, but yes, it''s 7$ now.

I understand yours views on welfare, it does help a lot of people, but so many people take advantage of it... Why work if I can do nothing and get paid? Ugh.

 

[Independent Gal]

Yes, people do take advantage of it! Sad but true. But for some people, it''s a temporary, life saving (or life enabling) measure. Hopefully our various countries will get better at telling the difference between the two groups!

 

[Pandora II]

I had a constituent email me the other week to complain that I am expecting her to live in a two-bed house with her 7 kids under 10 and that it is disgusting that in the 21st century that she is forced to live this way.

I was so angry! My first response was to write back saying if you kept 7 dogs in overcrowded conditions, the RSPCA would take you to court, fine you, take the dogs away and ban you from keeping them for life. What makes you think its okay for you to breed so irresponsibly?

I decided not to send it as I couldn't be bothered having to fend off the press all afternoon - although I think a lot of people would have agreed with me.

So I merely pointed out that we have 11,000 people on the housing waiting list in my part of London, we have almost no 3 or 4 bedroom properties and maybe she should consider moving to another part of the UK.

It drives me nuts. FI and I are in our 30's and can only afford a 2 bed ex-council flat here. We hope to have a child in 2009 because by then we should be able to afford to raise it properly. Yet so many people just expect the state to owe them and their kids a living. I'm fed up with paying out for my responsible behaviour and also subsidising other peoples fecklessness.

I agree with Island Dreams - I have suggested that you should be allowed one child one welfare. Then you either have to produce your contraceptive certificate in exchange for the $$ or you should accept that you don't get extra if you have more. One of my friend says he would just take the children into care! I am always being accused of being some kind of ultra-right wing monster!

Sadly you are always in a catch-22 where you shouldn't punish the child for the parents actions. But I am seeing 3rd and 4th generations living on handouts alone and the cycle needs to be broken somewhere.

Welfare should be there for the genuinely needy - the sick, the infirm, widows with children or people who fall on hard times - not a lifestyle choice!

Sorry for the rant - it's something I see daily and I just don't think it's healthy for society.

 

[Gypsy]

Regarding the article? Keep. Legs. Shut. OR birthcontrol people!!!

Re: Pandora''s post. Pandora-- you are my hero. And I''m left wing!

 

[ladyciel]

Anyone notice this too? They refer to the boyfriend as the father of the most recent twins. Any guesses on how many dads took part to give her the first 3 births? (She has 2 previous sets of twins + a single). I completely agree that the trend of young mothers with multiple children (often from multiple fathers) living on welfare HAS TO STOP. These girls raise their kids in this environment where they never learn a better way. They reach puberty and just start the cycle all over again. I''m all for linking welfare payments to required education programs and/or birthcontrol requirements. Teach them how to stop digging their holes deeper, and if they can''t make the right choices themselves, force the right ones on them until they see the light.