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Vegasvick

Vegasvick

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Its been a gruelling experience looking for a stone on the net, really want to thank everyone on this board first for shifting me to white flash as they have been great.

How have you're experiences with the settings been from white flash? i've seen victor canera settings and they are gorgeous but you have to buy the stone from them, are there any other ring makers you guys can recommend me, looking for very petite prongs and pave band.

Oh and here is my stone it hits all the specs for being mind clean i'm looking for and priced right, i was a bit worried about the inclusions in the center being a vs1as i always thought vs1 had inclusions more on the side and what looks like the crystal creating a mirror effect on the hearts image but my only other choice is to move down a little in size to a 1.7 for a cleaner table, with all things being equal from the video i do prefer the 1.7 as it sure is nice but not sure its worth the tradeoff for size.

Diamond | 1.887 ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4397543

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.887 carat F color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4397543
www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.706 ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4345118

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.706 carat F color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4345118
www.whiteflash.com



Any help with your experiences with settings from white flash would be greatly appreciated as it would make it quite easy to do it all in house. ;)2
 
Congratulations on shortlisting two amazing stones. You have done very well.

Here are some thoughts:

1. If your heart is set on a VC setting, have you reached out and spoken to Victor? If you buy a stone from him I believe you get a small discount for doing both in-house. And also expedited service too. However, in the past he HAS accepted outside stones. It would be worth asking to confirm.

2. While WF’s bench is well respected, I do know some of their stuff is cast. Some of their designer pieces like Vatche are forged, but I am not certain if their own bench does hand forged. I believe that all VC settings are hand forged. Generally speaking hand forged will be more expensive and sometimes preferred over cast. I am not banging on cast pieces, my wife’s setting is cast. Just noting there is a difference.

Victor Canera

www.victorcanera.com www.victorcanera.com

3. Also, with VC’s pieces they are relatively simple yet very refined (IMO) which creates a really nice aesthetic. I would consider designers that have similar specialties. I have not worked with either, but saw some of their work, and know they are well respected.

Mark Morrell

Maytal Hannah

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We’ll work with you to personally create the ring of your dreams for you or your fiance. Each piece is one of a kind and is made to the highest standards.
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4. In regards to the stones, there is a difference of about 0.30mm between the 1.887 and 1.706. I don’t think that is mind blowing but I think you will notice the size difference.

The proportions are very, very similar to one another.

The main images that pop up when you hit the WF pages has the 1.706 looking a little whiter to me. I think that’s a visual effect and not true; however, there is truth that color grades have range. However as you move closer to a D that range gets smaller.

I would ask WF to pull both stones and do a side by side comparison under various lighting to determine color and size difference. And to see if either “speaks” to you differently. If you do this, please post the pics and videos for us to see.

5. Early on you mentioned this was a long journey to find a MIND clean stone. Unless you have uniquely odd & superior Superman vision, the tiny crystal on the table and manifesting to the hearts image won’t be detectable to the naked eye. It will be forever on the report and that hearts image.

Can YOU live with that? I could. It’s a VS1 and magnificent stone. I’m picky but I feel you win more than lose with the 1.887 so I’d go that route. However, what I would do doesn’t matter. You have to live with the decision.

My wife has a VS2 with feather. It’s very clean but in a perfect world it would be VVS or IF and more mind pleasing. So I understand the drive for “perfection”. You just have to find your line of acceptability and remember this is Mother Nature’s creation so minor imperfections is part of its unique identity.
 
Love the specs on the 1.70ct... :love:
 
Those are both GREAT stones. My vote would be for the 1.887. I think you'll notice the extra .3mm in size more than you'll notice the difference in clarity. That VC stone has great proportions too.
 
sledge said:
Congratulations on shortlisting two amazing stones. You have done very well.

Here are some thoughts:

1. If your heart is set on a VC setting, have you reached out and spoken to Victor? If you buy a stone from him I believe you get a small discount for doing both in-house. And also expedited service too. However, in the past he HAS accepted outside stones. It would be worth asking to confirm.

2. While WF’s bench is well respected, I do know some of their stuff is cast. Some of their designer pieces like Vatche are forged, but I am not certain if their own bench does hand forged. I believe that all VC settings are hand forged. Generally speaking hand forged will be more expensive and sometimes preferred over cast. I am not banging on cast pieces, my wife’s setting is cast. Just noting there is a difference.

Victor Canera

www.victorcanera.com www.victorcanera.com

3. Also, with VC’s pieces they are relatively simple yet very refined (IMO) which creates a really nice aesthetic. I would consider designers that have similar specialties. I have not worked with either, but saw some of their work, and know they are well respected.

Mark Morrell

Maytal Hannah

Design Your Dream Ring - Home Page - Maytal Hannah

We’ll work with you to personally create the ring of your dreams for you or your fiance. Each piece is one of a kind and is made to the highest standards.
www.maytalhannah.com www.maytalhannah.com

4. In regards to the stones, there is a difference of about 0.30mm between the 1.887 and 1.706. I don’t think that is mind blowing but I think you will notice the size difference.

The proportions are very, very similar to one another.

The main images that pop up when you hit the WF pages has the 1.706 looking a little whiter to me. I think that’s a visual effect and not true; however, there is truth that color grades have range. However as you move closer to a D that range gets smaller.

I would ask WF to pull both stones and do a side by side comparison under various lighting to determine color and size difference. And to see if either “speaks” to you differently. If you do this, please post the pics and videos for us to see.

5. Early on you mentioned this was a long journey to find a MIND clean stone. Unless you have uniquely odd & superior Superman vision, the tiny crystal on the table and manifesting to the hearts image won’t be detectable to the naked eye. It will be forever on the report and that hearts image.

Can YOU live with that? I could. It’s a VS1 and magnificent stone. I’m picky but I feel you win more than lose with the 1.887 so I’d go that route. However, what I would do doesn’t matter. You have to live with the decision.

My wife has a VS2 with feather. It’s very clean but in a perfect world it would be VVS or IF and more mind pleasing. So I understand the drive for “perfection”. You just have to find your line of acceptability and remember this is Mother Nature’s creation so minor imperfections is part of its unique identity.
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Wow thank you for the recommendations, i've made a call to VC so lets see if they will accommodate or look into the other ring makers.

Agree with you VC settings just look so refined, i never knew there was a construction difference between forged and cast for these rings.

And i've pulled the trigger for the 1.887 as the size difference is definitely going to overshadow the unseen great thing is if i decide over the weekend i can't live with this or my rep tells me there is a chance i can see it with my naked eye i can always switch.

Again thank you for your taking the time to illustrate all these thoughts it is greatly appreciated!!!!
 
tyty333 said:
Here is the relative size difference between the two stones on a size 6 finger. Definitely a nice size bump with the 1.88
https://www.diamdb.com/compare/1.7ct-round-7.67x7.7x4.74-vs-1.88ct-round-7.95x7.99x4.9/

At a VS1, the inclusions are somewhat inconsequential (IMO). Yes, they are there, but will you ever see them without a loupe? What you
will see without a loupe is the size difference.

The 1.88 would be my choice.



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that is a cool site ! i never even realized there was something like this visualizer ! your right it def seems bigger!
 
I’m so excited for you!

WF has a bunch of examples of their custom work on their site, so you can see if they have made the refined look you like in the past.

The other option is when Victor gets back to you, if you want to give him a chance to find you a diamond. He may have ones not yet on his site.

I say that because it is infinitely easier to have the vendor who already has your diamond also design the setting and not deal with shipping it multiple places, not to mention insurance documentation, etc.

Can’t wait to see what you decide! That’s a beautiful set of stats!
 
valenledge said:
I’m so excited for you!

WF has a bunch of examples of their custom work on their site, so you can see if they have made the refined look you like in the past.

The other option is when Victor gets back to you, if you want to give him a chance to find you a diamond. He may have ones not yet on his site.

I say that because it is infinitely easier to have the vendor who already has your diamond also design the setting and not deal with shipping it multiple places, not to mention insurance documentation, etc.

Can’t wait to see what you decide! That’s a beautiful set of stats!
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excited as well to share it , will see if i can find anything at wf as well as it does seem much easier doing it one stop shop, there is just something about the finishing on those VC pieces that go above and beyond.
 
I agree my first choice would be to use a single vendor for everything.

That said I bought my wife’s stone from BGD in Houston. I then used DK in LA to make the setting and later matching band. Also, the setting was a custom design adding another layer of complexity.

When I reflect back, using two vendors wasn’t hard at all. Lesley @ BGD was great. I put the stone on hold as I finalized the decision. Once I confirmed she took payment and stored in their vault until I was ready for it. When the design phase neared the end, Amy @ DK advised to have BGD ship the stone. BGD promptly did as asked and a few days later DK confirmed receipt. DK set the stone and then shipped the completed ring back across the country to me.

Each time the stone and/or completed ring shipped, it was insured by each respective vendor and I had no additional out of pocket costs. Additionally while under DK care, they had liability if the stone was damaged during setting.

So from a logistics standpoint, using two vendors was relatively easy. The difficulty was waiting and also the additional collaboration & coordination to do a custom design. But thankfully lots of well experienced folks here were able to lead the inexperienced guy that had never done a custom ring to the finish line. Granted, I enjoy design & construction so I naturally think In those terms.

But IMO, doing a custom ring is different than selecting a style (with minor refinements) you want and simply using two vendors to make it all happen. Obviously YMMV, but if you need to use two vendors to ensure you get the stone & setting your heart wants it’s a very doable thing IMO.

If we can focus solely on stones for a second I might add some additional insight. Many times people choose WF, BGD, HPD/CBI or VC because of superior performance AND their flexible upgrade policies. But what does a future upgrade realistically look like? IMO, this is where inventory control comes into play. Upgrading a 0.50 carat stone is easily done with any of the vendors. But as you increase size, color and/or clarity you will see disparity in inventory with select vendors. Choosing a vendor that has ample inventory can make for easier upgrades & transitions should that be a factor for you.
 
I have also purchased stones from one vendor and had another set them. Mark Morrell has made two of my engagement settings now. It’s really not that difficult to do. It’s just a process of shipping things and waiting a bit extra time. I HIGHLY recommend Mark. His work is amazing.
 
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