The Oil Spill

[AGBF]

The British Petroleum oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has been enormously important to the United States, yet no one has started a topic on it here on Pricescope. I am sure that the reason is that everyone has been

expecting Pricescope threads to disappear with the advent of Pricescope 2.0. It seems ridiculous to be unable to discuss something on everyone's mind, however, so I thought I'd start a thread about it. Here is a link

to an article in "The New York Times" on what happens to oil after a spill, just to get the discussion started! I felt very sad to read about the wildlife gasping for air; that is a terrible way to die.



Deb/AGBF

 

[tradergirl]

I couldn''t agree with you more. The entire thing is beyond sickening. What is also sickening is seeing pictures of 20 year old idiots smearing oil on their faces and "protesting" in front of gas stations thinking they''re making some kind of difference. Maybe they should try contributing to one of the wildlife rescue organizations on the ground who are cleaning and rehabilitating birds and other animals. I won''t post any links here but a simple google search will turn up many of them.

 

[Gailey]

Date: 6/6/2010 7:15:01 AM
Author:AGBF



The British Petroleum oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has been enormously important to the United States, yet no one has started a topic on it here on Pricescope. I am sure that the reason is that everyone has been

expecting Pricescope threads to disappear with the advent of Pricescope 2.0. It seems ridiculous to be unable to discuss something on everyone''s mind, however, so I thought I''d start a thread about it. Here is a link

to an article in ''The New York Times'' on what happens to oil after a spill, just to get the discussion started! I felt very sad to read about the wildlife gasping for air; that is a terrible way to die.



Deb/AGBF

Deb did you see my thread about it in Hangout? I posted a very scary link. Only two people commented, which I thought was a surprise. Websleuths has 16 pages of comments, most of which are very informative.

It seems Tony Hayward has been demoted tonight - bout time. Makes me very ashamed as an Englishwoman.

I fear it is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets any better. It''s a travesty.

 

[Gailey]

The irony is rich don''t you think?

 

[AGBF]

Hi, Gailey-


I didn''t see your thread. I will go look for it. I have not understood why no has appeared to have any interest in discussing the oil spill here on Pricescope, but I have wondered if it has to do with the transition to

Pricescope 2.0 and the fear that threads would be lost when that occurred. People have just been reluctant to talk to each other as much here since it was announced that what they wrote would disappear.

My husband has told me that much has been written about the bounty of free information available on the Internet. People do a lot of writing for Internet sites for which they are not paid, but they do it in the hopes

that they are contributing something lasting. If that pleasure is denied them, there is often little reason to post on the ''net.


Deb/AGBF

 

[missy]

I have been so terribly upset by this that I cannot talk about it easily. My dh is in the environmental field and we know too much about the devastating and far reaching effects this will have for many decades (and more) to come.

It truly is too painful for me to discuss. Perhaps that is why others have not been discussing this more here.

What I do to feel like we are not so out of control(though we really are) is donate to all worthwhile causes and though I know it is a drop in the proverbial bucket it is the best I know to do right now. It breaks breaks breaks my heart when I think of all the wildlife affected.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 6/19/2010 8:49:21 AM
Author: missy
I have been so terribly upset by this that I cannot talk about it easily. My dh is in the environmental field and we know too much about the devastating and far reaching effects this will have for many decades (and more) to come.

It truly is too painful for me to discuss. Perhaps that is why others have not been discussing this more here.

What I do to feel like we are not so out of control(though we really are) is donate to all worthwhile causes and though I know it is a drop in the proverbial bucket it is the best I know to do right now. It breaks breaks breaks my heart when I think of all the wildlife affected.

Thanks for sharing, missy. I hear where you are coming from. It is the wildlife-how they are affected-that bothers me the most right now. I know people's livelihoods will be affected. I know poor people will get poorer. I am sure people will go hungry. If I thought it through, there would be plenty more to worry about than wildlife, plenty of people who will suffer actual hunger and poverty that will be pitiful and wrong. But right now animals are in my face. What a disaster.

Deb/AGBF

 

[AGBF]

Date: 6/19/2010 2:08:36 AM
Author: Gailey

Deb did you see my thread about it in Hangout? I posted a very scary link. Only two people commented, which I thought was a surprise. Websleuths has 16 pages of comments, most of which are very informative.

It seems Tony Hayward has been demoted tonight - bout time. Makes me very ashamed as an Englishwoman.

I fear it is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets any better. It's a travesty.

Thanks, Gailey, here is a link to it!


Deb/AGBF

 

[Gailey]

Here is a link to the Websleuth''s thread. Members of Websleuths have an un-canny knack for getting to the bottom of things and often before mainstream media does. There are some interesting points of view and even more interesting links:

Websleuth''s thread

I sent my neighbour the link to The Oil Drum link from my Hangout post. He is a retired Canadian president of one of the big 3 oil companies (Not BP). He told me to have faith in the reilief wells. His e-mail spoke volumes in what he didn''t say.

I said earlier that I was ashamed of Tony Hayward and the way he has behaved throughout this crisis, but the anti UK rhetoric I am hearing on the net is wearing a bit thin when you consider that although BP is 40% UK owned, it is also 39% US owned. To my mind, it does no good to be hurling blame from one side of the Atlantic to the other - even if the US head of BP, Messrs Haliburton and Transocean sought to in their congressional hearing.

Notice who''s really quiet in all of this? Where''s Greenpeace and WWF? Not a peep out of either of them. I guess that shouts from the rooftops where a chunk of their funding comes from.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 6/19/2010 10:03:17 AM
Author: Gailey
Here is a link to the Websleuth's thread. Members of Websleuths have an un-canny knack for getting to the bottom of things and often before mainstream media does. There are some interesting points of view and even more interesting links:

Websleuth's thread

I sent my neighbour the link to The Oil Drum link from my Hangout post. He is a retired Canadian president of one of the big 3 oil companies (Not BP). He told me to have faith in the reilief wells. His e-mail spoke volumes in what he didn't say.

I said earlier that I was ashamed of Tony Hayward and the way he has behaved throughout this crisis, but the anti UK rhetoric I am hearing on the net is wearing a bit thin when you consider that although BP is 40% UK owned, it is also 39% US owned. To my mind, it does no good to be hurling blame from one side of the Atlantic to the other - even if the US head of BP, Messrs Haliburton and Transocean sought to in their congressional hearing.

Notice who's really quiet in all of this? Where's Greenpeace and WWF? Not a peep out of either of them. I guess that shouts from the rooftops where a chunk of their funding comes from.

I cannot read this information today, Gailey, because I have the most unexpected fun coming to me: a day visiting a friend (even though it will be at her house where she has lots of work to do in anticipation of the return of her elder, divorced son to Connecticut from years in the midwest since his ex-wife just abandoned her second husband and all three of her children- including his five year-old son-and he is now free to return to Connecticut with my friend's grandson who has been living with her). My point-almost lost amongst the verbiage-is that your postings have been a treasure. Your thread in Hangout is now getting more attention, which it definitely deserves, and I am eager to return to read all these links! Thank you ever so much for posting all this material. I should feel guilty for looking forward to reading about something so grim, but I love to read and knowing I have so much new material to look forward to, just makes me happy! Thank you again for all the posting you have done!

Deb/AGBF

 

[Lula]

Date: 6/19/2010 10:03:17 AM
Author: Gailey
Here is a link to the Websleuth''s thread. Members of Websleuths have an un-canny knack for getting to the bottom of things and often before mainstream media does. There are some interesting points of view and even more interesting links:


Websleuth''s thread


I sent my neighbour the link to The Oil Drum link from my Hangout post. He is a retired Canadian president of one of the big 3 oil companies (Not BP). He told me to have faith in the reilief wells. His e-mail spoke volumes in what he didn''t say.


I said earlier that I was ashamed of Tony Hayward and the way he has behaved throughout this crisis, but the anti UK rhetoric I am hearing on the net is wearing a bit thin when you consider that although BP is 40% UK owned, it is also 39% US owned. To my mind, it does no good to be hurling blame from one side of the Atlantic to the other - even if the US head of BP, Messrs Haliburton and Transocean sought to in their congressional hearing.


Notice who''s really quiet in all of this? Where''s Greenpeace and WWF? Not a peep out of either of them. I guess that shouts from the rooftops where a chunk of their funding comes from.

Thanks, Gailey, for posting this information. I just saw your thread in Hangout. I rarely make it over here to Around the World. Did the retired oil executive sound hopeful? I am truly worried that the spill in the Gulf may never be contained. I am ashamed for my country, the U.S., too, that we did not have better oversight. But, you are correct, all of the industrialized nations are at fault here; there is plenty of blame to go around.

I feel bad about the wildlife, too, mostly because they are innocent in all of this. We humans at least had fair warning that something like this could happen and chose to do nothing about it.

 

[Bella_mezzo]

my husband is from the gulf coast in louisiana, he has lots of family that work off-shore oil (including a close cousin who was enroute to the well where he works when the deep water horizon caught fire and my DH''s cousin was part of the rescue effort and is now understandably very spooked and upset).

Of course i am concerned about the wildlife, but I am far more concerned about the overall damage to the eco system in the gulf and the effect on the food sources and lively hood (fishing and tourism) of gulf coast residents. My mother in law goes fishing in the gulf and in the brackish waters of the bayou often. When DH was growing up this was a primary source of his family''s food.

this just makes me very sad....i don''t really have anything else to say about. That''s what is so troubling. and the oil just keeps gushing...

 

[Gailey]

Date: 6/19/2010 4:13:17 PM
Author: Bella_mezzo
my husband is from the gulf coast in louisiana, he has lots of family that work off-shore oil (including a close cousin who was enroute to the well where he works when the deep water horizon caught fire and my DH''s cousin was part of the rescue effort and is now understandably very spooked and upset).

Of course i am concerned about the wildlife, but I am far more concerned about the overall damage to the eco system in the gulf and the effect on the food sources and lively hood (fishing and tourism) of gulf coast residents. My mother in law goes fishing in the gulf and in the brackish waters of the bayou often. When DH was growing up this was a primary source of his family''s food.

this just makes me very sad....i don''t really have anything else to say about. That''s what is so troubling. and the oil just keeps gushing...

Hugs Bella, I hear what you say, the ramifications are so huge for the world I think,

I hate to be the bearer of more ominous news, but lest all you were worried about was the oil, please read this link about the Methane

 

[dragonfly411]

I''m in FL, and we''re about an hour from the gulf coast. Currently I worry for the gulf environment, the manatee, the sea turtles, the fish, the birds. Pelicans were endangered at one point... and they thrive in the gulf. What will become of them? I''m praying they can move the manatee inland somehow to help them avoid the oil. I don''t know what will become of some of the species of sea turtles that stay in the gulf, nor the fish.

Here, we are doing our best to stock up on sea food, as we know that once it gets closer, it will no longer be available. Most of our sea food where I am comes from the gulf. I''m not sure what will become of even a lot of the wild life, as many of our main rivers flow into the gulf, and also have the waters rise based on tides. Our hunting club and many others are very close to the gulf flats, and I''m not sure of what will become of the wildlife near those places.

I feel for everyone in Louisiana that is already suffering. I am appalled at the lack of planning and action on both BP and the government''s part. It is no longer JUST BP''s responsibility to take care of this. It is this nation''s responsibility to the world to make sure that this gets stopped. I can''t imagine the decades that it will take to get the environment back to where it should be because of this oil spill.

All so we can drive some cars.

 

[klewis]

I feel helpless and yet part of the problem. I saw this about a possible solution to stopping the spill and something about it made me prick up my ears. If I mess up the link I hope you'll persevere.
http://tvnz.co.nz/technology-news/slinky-answer-oil-leak-3608555/video

 

[Pandora II]

Date: 6/19/2010 10:03:17 AM
Author: Gailey
Here is a link to the Websleuth''s thread. Members of Websleuths have an un-canny knack for getting to the bottom of things and often before mainstream media does. There are some interesting points of view and even more interesting links:

Websleuth''s thread

I sent my neighbour the link to The Oil Drum link from my Hangout post. He is a retired Canadian president of one of the big 3 oil companies (Not BP). He told me to have faith in the reilief wells. His e-mail spoke volumes in what he didn''t say.

I said earlier that I was ashamed of Tony Hayward and the way he has behaved throughout this crisis, but the anti UK rhetoric I am hearing on the net is wearing a bit thin when you consider that although BP is 40% UK owned, it is also 39% US owned. To my mind, it does no good to be hurling blame from one side of the Atlantic to the other - even if the US head of BP, Messrs Haliburton and Transocean sought to in their congressional hearing.

Notice who''s really quiet in all of this? Where''s Greenpeace and WWF? Not a peep out of either of them. I guess that shouts from the rooftops where a chunk of their funding comes from.

Ditto this. BP is not ''British Petroleum'', it''s BP plc which is a merger of USA firms Amoco, Arco and a couple of others with British Petroleum in the 1980''s.

My husband worked for BP plc until March this year, and knows Tony Haywood personally - and has never been enamoured to say the least (I think he''s a complete prat as well as a total control freak who won''t take advice from anyone and has zero people-skills or emotional intelligence - he''s pretty unpopular with staff in the company) - so we''ve been following it very closely.

Anyway, the whole situation is a tragedy and I hope things improve asap.

 

[ksinger]

Date: 6/27/2010 8:24:08 PM
Author: Pandora II

Date: 6/19/2010 10:03:17 AM
Author: Gailey
Here is a link to the Websleuth''s thread. Members of Websleuths have an un-canny knack for getting to the bottom of things and often before mainstream media does. There are some interesting points of view and even more interesting links:

Websleuth''s thread

I sent my neighbour the link to The Oil Drum link from my Hangout post. He is a retired Canadian president of one of the big 3 oil companies (Not BP). He told me to have faith in the reilief wells. His e-mail spoke volumes in what he didn''t say.

I said earlier that I was ashamed of Tony Hayward and the way he has behaved throughout this crisis, but the anti UK rhetoric I am hearing on the net is wearing a bit thin when you consider that although BP is 40% UK owned, it is also 39% US owned. To my mind, it does no good to be hurling blame from one side of the Atlantic to the other - even if the US head of BP, Messrs Haliburton and Transocean sought to in their congressional hearing.

Notice who''s really quiet in all of this? Where''s Greenpeace and WWF? Not a peep out of either of them. I guess that shouts from the rooftops where a chunk of their funding comes from.

Ditto this. BP is not ''British Petroleum'', it''s BP plc which is a merger of USA firms Amoco, Arco and a couple of others with British Petroleum in the 1980''s.

My husband worked for BP plc until March this year, and knows Tony Haywood personally - and has never been enamoured to say the least (I think he''s a complete prat as well as a total control freak who won''t take advice from anyone and has zero people-skills or emotional intelligence - he''s pretty unpopular with staff in the company) - so we''ve been following it very closely.

Anyway, the whole situation is a tragedy and I hope things improve asap.

Not necessarily. Is it a deafening silence, is it that they can''t get airtime or online space, (heck, if I was to believe deafening silences to be indicative of anything, I''d have to believe the Gulf War never sent home a body bag) or is it that maybe you''re just not reading the right stuff? I personally have been deliberately NOT paying extremely close attention to all this, because...of quite a few reasons I won''t bore people with. In any case, I would be hard for me to make the such a leap to assume from what I don''t see in the news, that Greenpeace and WWF are receiving a bunch of funding from BP. Is this the case? I''m asking quite seriously because I don''t know. Do you know this? Is there documentation somewhere?

 

[movie zombie]

do i even care if they do get a lot of $ from BP? no.

BP is controlling pretty much every aspect of what information we get and the pictures we see. that i do care about.

mz