The Finalists - I appreciate your feeback and patience

[belle]

you will never ever never (ever never) notice a difference in size between those. it is very difficult to appreciate size differences even side by side. i would absolutely go #1.

this reminds me of when i work in the newborn nursery. i always measure the babes to the nearst 1/4 mark. every once in awhile a dad who is in construction chimes in while i'm measuring and recording the info and says 'hey, he's 19 and 3/16ths of an inch!' most people don't go around saying 'he was 7.2lbs and 19 and 3/16ths long' and you certainly can't tell the difference in 16ths!

that was a long (perhaps rather obtuse) way to say....either way, you have 3/4ct. and you won't be able to tell the difference!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I certainly like stone number one and encourage you to get it if it is the one you really want! As a matter of fact, if you do, then I can consider the pair of earrings with the .81 again!

However, let me explain my reasoning of why I'd choose #3, which may be totally irrelevant to why you may prefer #1.

On #1 the measurements are:

crown angle variation .30
pavilion angle variation .20
diameter variation .40

#3 measurements:

crown angle variation .20
pav. angle variation .26
diameter variation .03

So I may not be getting why #1 would be "better" in any respect other than the clarity. Both get the AGS0 grade. And I am a person who does not buy below VS, so clarity does matter to me. I wouldn't buy a VS2 with certain inclusions, so I am picky about that. So the bottom line is, there are two "mind clean" issues. Do you have the preference in saying: I have a stone that is over 3/4 carat, or I have a stone that is VVS2? It is certainly your perogative to prefer clarity over size. And if we were comparing an SI stone to a VS or VVS, I'd choose clarity over size as well!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/8/2006 9:28:20 AM
Author: belle
you will never ever never (ever never) notice a difference in size between those. it is very difficult to appreciate size differences even side by side. i would absolutely go #1.


this reminds me of when i work in the newborn nursery. i always measure the babes to the nearst 1/4 mark. every once in awhile a dad who is in construction chimes in while i''m measuring and recording the info and says ''hey, he''s 19 and 3/16ths of an inch!'' most people don''t go around saying ''he was 7.2lbs and 19 and 3/16ths long'' and you certainly can''t tell the difference in 16ths!


that was a long (perhaps rather obtuse) way to say....either way, you have 3/4ct. and you won''t be able to tell the difference!

LOL!

 

[belle]

Date: 8/8/2006 9:33:07 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006
I certainly like stone number one and encourage you to get it if it is the one you really want! As a matter of fact, if you do, then I can consider the pair of earrings with the .81 again!

However, let me explain my reasoning of why I'd choose #3, which may be totally irrelevant to why you may prefer #1.

On #1 the measurements are:

crown angle variation .30
pavilion angle variation .20
diameter variation .40

#3 measurements:

crown angle variation .20
pav. angle variation .26
diameter variation .03

So I may not be getting why #1 would be 'better' in any respect other than the clarity. Both get the AGS0 grade. And I am a person who does not buy below VS, so clarity does matter to me. I wouldn't buy a VS2 with certain inclusions, so I am picky about that. So the bottom line is, there are two 'mind clean' issues. Do you have the preference in saying: I have a stone that is over 3/4 carat, or I have a stone that is VVS2? It is certainly your perogative to prefer clarity over size. And if we were comparing an SI stone to a VS or VVS, I'd choose clarity over size as well!

ooooohhhh.....variation talk!

let's do it.

first of all...neither of these have any wild variation.

second of all...some variation in crown angle can actually enhance scintillation (we know ds loves the scint!) in stones with no e-w deviation (or azimuth shift/'yaw') shall we bring up the yaw threads again?

third of all....as far as variation and tightness...it is the pavilion angle that matters more...and well...#1 is tighter.

this is a fun debate but really, at this level (0.10 of degrees) we are truly splitting hairs...
......or pieces of paper

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Yep, like I said, Belle, the stones are basically equivalent. The choice is between higher clarity or higher carat weight.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/8/2006 9:33:07 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006

*snipped*


So I may not be getting why #1 would be ''better'' in any respect other than the clarity. Both get the AGS0 grade. And I am a person who does not buy below VS, so clarity does matter to me. I wouldn''t buy a VS2 with certain inclusions, so I am picky about that. So the bottom line is, there are two ''mind clean'' issues. Do you have the preference in saying: I have a stone that is over 3/4 carat, or I have a stone that is VVS2? It is certainly your perogative to prefer clarity over size. And if we were comparing an SI stone to a VS or VVS, I''d choose clarity over size as well!

ds, he already said he wished it was lower clarity on 1. I don''t think he wants to "say" anything, I "think" he just wants to be comfortable with his choice, and that is leaning towards 1, but all the emphasis women put on size made him lean towards 3.

In a perfect world, we''d all have a diamond with our dream specs, but I doubt that rarely happens.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 8/8/2006 10:31:47 AM
Author: belle
1 is tighter.

I dont see the helium scan data to prove that :}
comparin sarin data to helium data is apples to oranges.
While I can agree that the difference in pavilion tightness between the 3 is splitting frog hairs .. well facts are facts :}

 

[mre]

You guys are killing me.

But I think what best sums it up is that it''s a decision of buying the higher clarity or buying the right to say that my girl has a .8 diamond.

I''m probably going to go with the VVS1 diamond because my girlfriend is a modest person and won''t feel the need to brag, and frankly if she wanted to she could basically lie and nobody would know the difference.

Not that it''s a major factor, but the WF diamond will be a few hundred dollars cheaper because I won''t have to pay NY state tax and I''ll get the PS discount.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Haha! Well, when price is a factor, that certainly comes into play! I wouldn't want to pay the sales tax either!

ETA: However, there are those here who will chime in to say that you are obligated to pay the sales tax regardless by reporting it when you do your taxes. Just thought I'd mention it since this comes up all the time.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/8/2006 11:24:40 AM
Author: mre
You guys are killing me.

But I think what best sums it up is that it''s a decision of buying the higher clarity or buying the right to say that my girl has a .8 diamond.


I''m probably going to go with the VVS1 diamond because my girlfriend is a modest person and won''t feel the need to brag, and frankly if she wanted to she could basically lie and nobody would know the difference.


Not that it''s a major factor, but the WF diamond will be a few hundred dollars cheaper because I won''t have to pay NY state tax and I''ll get the PS discount.

Oh good, you came back. I was affraid we might have scared you off.

Glad you finally decided. And your girl doesn''t need to lie, it''s a nice size at 3/4 of a carat.

Now, we''ll be waiting for pics!

 

[dhog]

Date: 8/8/2006 10:31:47 AM
Author: belle

Date: 8/8/2006 9:33:07 AM

Author: diamondseeker2006

I certainly like stone number one and encourage you to get it if it is the one you really want! As a matter of fact, if you do, then I can consider the pair of earrings with the .81 again!


However, let me explain my reasoning of why I'd choose #3, which may be totally irrelevant to why you may prefer #1.


On #1 the measurements are:


crown angle variation .30

pavilion angle variation .20

diameter variation .40


#3 measurements:


crown angle variation .20

pav. angle variation .26

diameter variation .03


So I may not be getting why #1 would be 'better' in any respect other than the clarity. Both get the AGS0 grade. And I am a person who does not buy below VS, so clarity does matter to me. I wouldn't buy a VS2 with certain inclusions, so I am picky about that. So the bottom line is, there are two 'mind clean' issues. Do you have the preference in saying: I have a stone that is over 3/4 carat, or I have a stone that is VVS2? It is certainly your perogative to prefer clarity over size. And if we were comparing an SI stone to a VS or VVS, I'd choose clarity over size as well!

ooooohhhh.....variation talk!

let's do it.

first of all...neither of these have any wild variation.

second of all...some variation in crown angle can actually enhance scintillation (we know ds loves the scint!) in stones with no e-w deviation (or azimuth shift/'yaw') shall we bring up the yaw threads again?

third of all....as far as variation and tightness...it is the pavilion angle that matters more...and well...#1 is tighter.

this is a fun debate but really, at this level (0.10 of degrees) we are truly splitting hairs...

......or pieces of paper

And we also need to figure out what .06 hundreth's of
a degree looks like to the human. maybe in the range of microns.

perhaps someone with this equip. will tell us

#1 may be tighter if it is measured with the same
device that is now being used as a sales pitch on # 3.

to much depth in #3 for me period.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 8/8/2006 8:51:28 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 8/8/2006 8:37:39 AM
Author: mre
From what I understand despite the fact that #3 is larger, because it is deeper than #1, it really won''t face up much different. Is this correct? If #1 and #3 face up virtually the same, I might as well get #1.

I get the feeling you really want #1 because of the specs, but you''re leaning towards #3 because of size. If this is true, go with 1. The difference in size is not night and day. Yes, together the stones would show a slight difference, but all on it''s own, you are not going to know.

I really gotta agree with Ellen here. Unless you had these two stones sitting side by side, you wouldn''t be able to see the difference.

If one woman had #1 on her hand and the other was wearing #3, and you saw each woman walk through the lobby 5 minutes apart, you wouldn''t be able to tell the stone apart. Both would look the same size. Granted, there is a difference in size, but it''s not a VISUAL difference.....it''s a mental difference. While the mental aspect is absolutely important to some women (Diamondseeker, for example), it''s not as important to others.

These three stones are materially the same - they are ALL hair-splitting. Pick whichever one speaks to you. You cannot make a wrong choice.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 8/8/2006 9:15:42 AM
Author: mre
You must be sick of me posting by now.

Basically, I like just about everything in #1 compared to the others except the size difference. However, what I was saying is that although #3 or larger, it appears as though the spread isn''t as good. In other words the only thing I''m paying for is the ability to say it''s greater than .8 carats, but visually, face up, it won''t look any larger. For example, in weight, #3 is 9.9% larger than #1, but in terms of face up diameter it''s only 1.8% larger. It literally is a the size of a human hair wider.

This is precisely right.

It sounds to me, as it does to Ellen, that you really love #1. You said "I like just about everything in #1". If that''s the stone that''s speaking to you, that''s the one you should go with.

 

[mre]

Thanks for everyone''s help, I just purchased the WF diamond.

Now diamondseeker should be happy because the GOG 0.81 is back on the market.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Lol! I''d be really happy if I could afford two of those! But with just buying the anniversary ring diamond, I''m probably going to have to get the smaller pair anyway! IT''s fun to dream, though!

Congratulations on your diamond and please post pictures when you get the ring!!!