The Exhaustion of American Liberalism

[Bonfire]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

 

[Niel]

"hats designed to evoke sexual organs, poems that scream in anger yet have no point to make, and an hysterical anti-Americanism"

The evocation of sexual organs is a visual representation of American women trying to take ownership of their own bodies. We see the infringement by conservatives on our reproductive rights important. We feel using visuals that destigmatize female genitalia help to empower women to stand up for their rights. We figure if the president of the united States can, without consequence, boast about his ability to get away with unwelcome advances on "sexual organs", then we're sure as hell not going to let you forget about it. Pussy hats are a statement about the power of women. And if conservatives can get behind "truck nuts", I think they can handle pink cat hats.

The comment regarding poems is silly and meant to be insulting so I'm not going to take a mo and explain random people's poetry. Suffice it to say there were bad poems in the 60s. And bad poems about American nationalism too.

One could argue standing up for our right to free speech, human rights, and a government that represents the ideals of iz people is the most American thing someone can do. Liberals would argue conservatives desire to exclude certain groups from this country, to deny human rights to gays, and to overlook signs of a treasonous president is in American. But that would be a polarizing statement...Wouldn't it.

 

[katharath]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Personally, my connection to this piece is the fact I have been admonished for not having enough moral outrage at issues which liberals deem important. This kind of admonishment will lead to further closed ears by those on the receiving end.

Bonfire I ordered the book from Amazon and am looking forward to reading it.

You should order the book for every PSer liberals...

I do think it should be required high school reading.

Impossible! b/c liberalism is being taught by teachers starting at grade school level.

 

[Niel]

Personally, my connection to this piece is the fact I have been admonished for not having enough moral outrage at issues which liberals deem important. This kind of admonishment will lead to further closed ears by those on the receiving end.

Bonfire I ordered the book from Amazon and am looking forward to reading it.

You should order the book for every PSer liberals...

I do think it should be required high school reading.

Impossible! b/c liberalism is being taught by teachers starting at grade school level.

Thank god.

 

[Bonfire]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

We can always count on you Katharath.

 

[redwood66]

Personally, my connection to this piece is the fact I have been admonished for not having enough moral outrage at issues which liberals deem important. This kind of admonishment will lead to further closed ears by those on the receiving end.

Bonfire I ordered the book from Amazon and am looking forward to reading it.

You should order the book for every PSer liberals...

I do think it should be required high school reading.

Impossible! b/c liberalism is being taught by teachers starting at grade school level.

Maybe that is the reason for the percentages in the Nation's Reportcard thread?


Joking!!!!!

 

[mary poppins]

Personally, my connection to this piece is the fact I have been admonished for not having enough moral outrage at issues which liberals deem important. This kind of admonishment will lead to further closed ears by those on the receiving end.

Bonfire I ordered the book from Amazon and am looking forward to reading it.

You should order the book for every PSer liberals...

I do think it should be required high school reading.

Impossible! b/c liberalism is being taught by teachers starting at grade school level.

Is it bad to teach or reinforce inclusivity in grade school? Maybe things wouldn't be the way they are now, or to the same extent, if people learned and lived that practice.

 

[Bonfire]

Personally, my connection to this piece is the fact I have been admonished for not having enough moral outrage at issues which liberals deem important. This kind of admonishment will lead to further closed ears by those on the receiving end.

Bonfire I ordered the book from Amazon and am looking forward to reading it.

You should order the book for every PSer liberals...

I do think it should be required high school reading.

Impossible! b/c liberalism is being taught by teachers starting at grade school level.

Is it bad to teach or reinforce inclusivity in grade school? Maybe things wouldn't be the way they are now, or to the same extent, if people learned and lived that practice.

Good point MP We are miles apart on the racism front and not for the reasons most of us think. I mean that as Americans, not Liberals or Conservatives btw.

 

[lovedogs]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

oh ffs. That article is horrific--I can't even begin.

Seriously, EB. We all need to be doing SO much more research before we are able to comment on this intelligent and thoughtful piece of literature.

 

[redwood66]

We all should work to teach our children inclusivity but also teaching them that people vary is just as important. If one has convictions one should know (and accept) the motivation behind them.

 

[redwood66]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

oh ffs. That article is horrific--I can't even begin.

Seriously, EB. We all need to be doing SO much more research before we are able to comment on this intelligent and thoughtful piece of literature.

Tell me what you really think.

 

[jaaron]

Well, having spent quite some time all over the airwaves with pre-2008 analyses of 'why Obama can't win', I guess it's time for Mr. Steele to explain that it was our white guilt that made him wrong.

And does 'environmental orthodoxy' = understand and believe in science?

 

[Bonfire]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

oh ffs. That article is horrific--I can't even begin.

Seriously, EB. We all need to be doing SO much more research before we are able to comment on this intelligent and thoughtful piece of literature.

Lovesdogs, that's fine to make comments about the OP's original article. It's posted for all to see and you certainly don't have to like it or agree. But to get sarcastic because comments were made by another poster about a book that was not read is...well you prove my point.

 

[lovedogs]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

oh ffs. That article is horrific--I can't even begin.

Seriously, EB. We all need to be doing SO much more research before we are able to comment on this intelligent and thoughtful piece of literature.

Lovesdogs, that's fine to make comments about the OP's original article. It's posted for all to see and you certainly don't have to like it or agree. But to get sarcastic because comments were made by another poster about a book that was not read is...well you prove my point.

I was sarcastic because you were condescending. I strongly disagree with the article (as, I assume, does EB). We don't need to "read up", or "think independently" to think the article is nonsense.

 

[jaaron]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

oh ffs. That article is horrific--I can't even begin.

Seriously, EB. We all need to be doing SO much more research before we are able to comment on this intelligent and thoughtful piece of literature.

Lovesdogs, that's fine to make comments about the OP's original article. It's posted for all to see and you certainly don't have to like it or agree. But to get sarcastic because comments were made by another poster about a book that was not read is...well you prove my point.

I was sarcastic because you were condescending. I strongly disagree with the article (as, I assume, does EB). We don't need to "read up", or "think independently" to think the article is nonsense.

In theory, one could even think independently and think the article is nonsense.

 

[OreoRosies86]

This is what I'm referring to right here. You admit you haven't done your homework and yet you start to throw out the labels. Why?

Huh? I'm not sure which label you're referring to. Snowflake? People have called liberals that on this very board. What do you mean by homework?

This thread has gotten so far off topic it's really humorous. Where did "snowflake" enter the conversation?
What I meant by "not doing your homework" was Elliot's comment of (White Guilt ). It appears as though you are not understanding this author's material as you haven't invested any time reading it. Therefore your comments don't really reflect understanding. I made the comment earlier that I read the author's book White Guilt. I found it very interesting that a black man born in the 1940's who came of age in the '60's civil rights movement era had this interesting view. Have you read it? Are you old enough to remember that time? Were you born at that time? I was. I just would enjoy staying on topic and staying contructive and not dissolving into personal digs at one another.

You are now condescendingly telling me what I've read or not read, and telling me, based on ONE comment on an internet board, that I neither read it nor understood it. Nope.

 

[lovedogs]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

oh ffs. That article is horrific--I can't even begin.

Seriously, EB. We all need to be doing SO much more research before we are able to comment on this intelligent and thoughtful piece of literature.

Lovesdogs, that's fine to make comments about the OP's original article. It's posted for all to see and you certainly don't have to like it or agree. But to get sarcastic because comments were made by another poster about a book that was not read is...well you prove my point.

I was sarcastic because you were condescending. I strongly disagree with the article (as, I assume, does EB). We don't need to "read up", or "think independently" to think the article is nonsense.

In theory, one could even think independently and think the article is nonsense.

WHAAAT?? Shocking development!

 

[katharath]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

oh ffs. That article is horrific--I can't even begin.

Seriously, EB. We all need to be doing SO much more research before we are able to comment on this intelligent and thoughtful piece of literature.

Lovesdogs, that's fine to make comments about the OP's original article. It's posted for all to see and you certainly don't have to like it or agree. But to get sarcastic because comments were made by another poster about a book that was not read is...well you prove my point.

What exactly is your point? It's fine for you to comment about it, as long as you've done your research, are thinking independently, and aren't sarcastic. Just meet all of my requirements about posting and you'll be good.

 

[jaaron]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

oh ffs. That article is horrific--I can't even begin.

Seriously, EB. We all need to be doing SO much more research before we are able to comment on this intelligent and thoughtful piece of literature.

Lovesdogs, that's fine to make comments about the OP's original article. It's posted for all to see and you certainly don't have to like it or agree. But to get sarcastic because comments were made by another poster about a book that was not read is...well you prove my point.

I was sarcastic because you were condescending. I strongly disagree with the article (as, I assume, does EB). We don't need to "read up", or "think independently" to think the article is nonsense.

In theory, one could even think independently and think the article is nonsense.

WHAAAT?? Shocking development!

I always like to throw the wild and crazy theory into the mix

 

[mary poppins]

We all should work to teach our children inclusivity but also teaching them that people vary is just as important. If one has convictions one should know (and accept) the motivation behind them.

These concepts are not mutually inclusive. It could even be said that inclusivity requires learning, and thus understanding, that people vary.

 

[lovedogs]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

oh ffs. That article is horrific--I can't even begin.

Seriously, EB. We all need to be doing SO much more research before we are able to comment on this intelligent and thoughtful piece of literature.

Lovesdogs, that's fine to make comments about the OP's original article. It's posted for all to see and you certainly don't have to like it or agree. But to get sarcastic because comments were made by another poster about a book that was not read is...well you prove my point.

What exactly is your point? It's fine for you to comment about it, as long as you've done your research, are thinking independently, and aren't sarcastic. Just meet all of my requirements about posting and you'll be good.

Kath: I can always count on you for giving it to me straight. Guess I need to re-think my strategies on posting, since I'm obviously not posting in the exact manner that would please everyone. OH WAIT. DONT. CARE.

 

[Bonfire]

Bonfire I honestly wasn't trying to veer the conversation off course, it just popped into my mind when I typed the word shame. My point, I guess, being that the feeling of "white guilt" (or for us, acknowledgment of white privilege) isn't something that makes me feel bad for feeling or for letting guide my outlook/push for specific policies.

EB it's okay to have your point of view and passion. Maybe read up on how we got here. If you want to read an interesting and historically relevant book...stay open and think independently

Yes EB, if you could just do a little more research before you comment, that would be SUPER.

oh ffs. That article is horrific--I can't even begin.

Seriously, EB. We all need to be doing SO much more research before we are able to comment on this intelligent and thoughtful piece of literature.

Lovesdogs, that's fine to make comments about the OP's original article. It's posted for all to see and you certainly don't have to like it or agree. But to get sarcastic because comments were made by another poster about a book that was not read is...well you prove my point.

I was sarcastic because you were condescending. I strongly disagree with the article (as, I assume, does EB). We don't need to "read up", or "think independently" to think the article is nonsense.

Apparently you didn't read what I wrote above. The article is not in question. Hate it all you want, no prob. The book is what wasn't read but commented on. If someone calls you out for it that's condescension? I respect everyones views on the posted article. I think this has digressed to argument for arguments sake.

 

[AnnaH]

Bonfire, some just can't handle it when you see through them.

 

[Rhea]

Edited. Life is too short and I just don't care.

 

[mary poppins]

OP posted an article. Why should one have to read a book in order to understand or comment on an article by the same author? The article should stand on its own.

 

[mary poppins]

For many PS liberals, anyone who disagrees with them must be wrong.

This happens on both sides, with each denying or not recognizing they do it.

 

[Bonfire]

Haha! Does anyone remember playing the game "Telephone" as a kid? I feel like we are playing that game!

 

[lovedogs]

OP posted an article. Why should one have to read a book in order to understand or comment on an article by the same author? The article should stand on its own.

For exactly the reason that the article doesn't speak for itself. It's not correct about how "us liberals" see the world, and it fundamentally misunderstands the liberal point of view. Obviously some people in this thread are upset by that, so their defense is "READ A BOOK".

 

[OreoRosies86]

OP posted an article. Why should one have to read a book in order to understand or comment on an article by the same author? The article should stand on its own.

For exactly the reason that the article doesn't speak for itself. It's not correct about how "us liberals" see the world, and it fundamentally misunderstands the liberal point of view. Obviously some people in this thread are upset by that, so their defense is "READ A BOOK".

THEY CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH US

#deepthoughtsbyjackhandey