The Daily Trumpet 12-31-2016

[Matata]

This is the problem with all media. There are very few Bob Woodwards and his kind left any longer. They all want clicks and to write their opinion even though they call themselves reporters.

Bull. As I stated to Karl, there is a large number of people in the US who do not want facts and especially if they are uncomfortable facts. The media is not totally responsible for the collective idiocy that has devolved large numbers of us in to 3-second attention spans.

This works both ways in the media. There are plenty of uncomfortable facts about Hillary and Obama.

You have beat that poor dead horse into mincemeat. It is irrelevant. She is not prez-elect; he will out of office soon. They are history. Those terrible "facts" that partly caused Clinton to lose were "fake news" courtesy of our own FBI and dear comrade Putin. Furthermore, when presented with the "facts" that they were indeed fake, those who hate Clinton still continue to believe them. There is a saying that if you repeat something 3 times or you hear something 3 times, it becomes your fact. Here is where our vulnerability sits.

No actually I think that Obama thinks so much of himself that he will remain in DC to be a problem for Trump. Unlike Bush who left and refused to comment on the new president's tenure, Obama cannot allow that.

I'm counting on it. It makes me hopier. Bush couldn't stay in DC. No one wanted him and he had nothing useful to offer so they happily waved bye-bye as his truthiness hightailed it back to Texas. Although I must admit that Bush is a genius compared to the Tweeter-elect.

Much of America does not want Obama in DC to attempt to undermine the new administration. If he does then 2018 will prove to be an even bigger win for Republicans provided Trump does not implode before then. If the dems are not careful they will lose more ground with constant bombardment and obstructionism. Not to mention the ridiculous opinion pieces in the likes of NYT and HuffPo.

But..but Red, constant bombardment and obstructionism is how the republicans came to victory this time around. Monkey see, monkey do....

I don't think Obama needs to do anything to undermine Trump's administration -- it is on its own self-destruct course. And if you're referring to the "much of America" who voted for him, there are a few million more who did not and they are certainly being vocal and action-oriented about challenging the newbies.

 

[E B]

Much of America does not want Obama in DC to attempt to undermine the new administration. If he does then 2018 will prove to be an even bigger win for Republicans provided Trump does not implode before then. If the dems are not careful they will lose more ground with constant bombardment and obstructionism. Not to mention the ridiculous opinion pieces in the likes of NYT and HuffPo.

Don't forget, he LOST the popular vote-- by millions. More Americans would probably feel safer with him around, given our PE's general ignorance re: all things government. We need as many rational, intelligent ADULTS around that impulsive man-child as possible to minimize the damage.

As for the Dems losing more ground with constant obstructionism, it seemed to work for the Republicans the last 8 years, no? But I don't think you'll see it, at least not at the level Obama's dealt with. That is, of course, if Trump magically turns from Veruca Salt into someone resembling a decent President.

(eta: Oops, I didn't see matata's post before posting! Sorry about that! )

 

[redwood66]

And if you feel this is the best route by the dems then by all means stick to it. I will be watching the new administration as well. We shall see how it all turns out.

BTW the popular vote thing is also a dead horse. How many times does it have to be said that we live in a Republic of states - not a democracy?

 

[Matata]

And if you feel this is the best route by the dems then by all means stick to it. I will be watching the new administration as well. We shall see how it all turns out.

BTW the popular vote thing is also a dead horse. How many times does it have to be said that we live in a Republic of states - not a democracy?

I mentioned it in reference to your "much of America" statement. Is that your opinion or do you have data to back the claim. I couldn't find anything when I did a search but may not have used the right parameters.

 

[redwood66]

And if you feel this is the best route by the dems then by all means stick to it. I will be watching the new administration as well. We shall see how it all turns out.

BTW the popular vote thing is also a dead horse. How many times does it have to be said that we live in a Republic of states - not a democracy?

I mentioned it in reference to your "much of America" statement. Is that your opinion or do you have data to back the claim. I couldn't find anything when I did a search but may not have used the right parameters.

Well it seems to be a product of deduction that Trump won the election and people voted for him to do the things he campaigned on. So at least those same people, plus those of us like me who did not vote for him, would not want Obama undermining his tenure. That would be "much of America" yes? That is not really a stretch to come to that conclusion.

Besides EB also mentioned the popular vote. That seems to be a popular dem complaint in the news.

Everyone should be mindful of what all presidents do in their time in the White House. That is not the problem. It is not the place of a former president to meddle in the current administration - peaceful transition of power and all that.

 

[Tekate]

rofl more fake news.
just shows how lame and corrupt the press has become.

1 laptop of an employee who use it outside the secure network had malware on it that may have came from Russia(it is common to make it look like it is from a different country to mask the real culprits.).
Given the current state of security that is not surprising. Locked down networks with in depth security get successfully hit rarely but it happens. If they are good they will be alerted quickly. Usually it is caused by keyboard to chair interface error.
As a matter of fact a good security administrator assumes that every computer is infected and works from there.

Everywhere else it is very common to have malware infected computers.
I would be a safe bet that over 50% of the computers of people reading this right now have some form of malware on them.
I run into malware that is probably written in Russia all the time on peoples computers.
Some of the most common malware tool kits are written in Russia, US, China, and Brazil.
The truth is that the security level of the entire computer/software industry stinks and that includes phones and tablets.

I don't see anything fake.

If 'everyone' has malware on their computer then they are stupid, because it's easy to get free software to run checks.

So what is fake?

 

[Matata]

And if you feel this is the best route by the dems then by all means stick to it. I will be watching the new administration as well. We shall see how it all turns out.

BTW the popular vote thing is also a dead horse. How many times does it have to be said that we live in a Republic of states - not a democracy?

I mentioned it in reference to your "much of America" statement. Is that your opinion or do you have data to back the claim. I couldn't find anything when I did a search but may not have used the right parameters.

Well it seems to be a product of deduction that Trump won the election and people voted for him to do the things he campaigned on. So at least those same people, plus those of us like me who did not vote for him, would not want Obama undermining his tenure. That would be "much of America" yes? That is not really a stretch to come to that conclusion.

Aaaah, so it's your opinion then. Your math is off. More people voted against him than for him so that right there is more of America than your much of America and that doesn't take into account those who voted for others rather than for Trump who may not mind Obama staying in Washington because we can't know that number just like we can't know the number of people like you who may feel the way you do.

What was it you said upthread, oh, yes here it is "And you say all this in a thread that you started with links to the Huffington Post as your Daily Trumpet news? That is quite hilarious and ironic actually." I am delighted that hilarity and irony is a two-way street

 

[Tekate]

"President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for attorney general, Jeff Sessions, is withholding decades’ worth of records from his career ahead of his Senate confirmation hearings early next month, according to an exhaustive report issued Friday by progressive advocacy groups."

How about doing something real journalists would do and confirm the story instead of publishing biased could be garbage without doing any work to verify it?

Here's some garbage for you: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-cruz-sessions-terrorist
Sessions has a real big mouth.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dems-attack-demand-sessions-drop-out/article/2610665

Even the Examiner printed this and we ALL know how unbiased they are.

 

[redwood66]

And if you feel this is the best route by the dems then by all means stick to it. I will be watching the new administration as well. We shall see how it all turns out.

BTW the popular vote thing is also a dead horse. How many times does it have to be said that we live in a Republic of states - not a democracy?

I mentioned it in reference to your "much of America" statement. Is that your opinion or do you have data to back the claim. I couldn't find anything when I did a search but may not have used the right parameters.

Well it seems to be a product of deduction that Trump won the election and people voted for him to do the things he campaigned on. So at least those same people, plus those of us like me who did not vote for him, would not want Obama undermining his tenure. That would be "much of America" yes? That is not really a stretch to come to that conclusion.

Aaaah, so it's your opinion then. Your math is off. More people voted against him than for him so that right there is more of America than your much of America and that doesn't take into account those who voted for others rather than for Trump who may not mind Obama staying in Washington because we can't know that number just like we can't know the number of people like you who may feel the way you do.

What was it you said upthread, oh, yes here it is "And you say all this in a thread that you started with links to the Huffington Post as your Daily Trumpet news? That is quite hilarious and ironic actually." I am delighted that hilarity and irony is a two-way street

Do you need me to provide a link to Breitbart or some other right leaning site that is equal in bias to the Huffington Post? I would have thought that you would have enough respect for me to allow me the use of the word "much" but I guess not. There is no respect for an opinion that is different from yours. You just want to argue.

BTW where is your link that says no one wanted Bush to stay in DC?

 

[Tekate]

This is the problem with all media. There are very few Bob Woodwards and his kind left any longer. They all want clicks and to write their opinion even though they call themselves reporters.

Bull. As I stated to Karl, there is a large number of people in the US who do not want facts and especially if they are uncomfortable facts. The media is not totally responsible for the collective idiocy that has devolved large numbers of us in to 3-second attention spans.

This works both ways in the media. There are plenty of uncomfortable facts about Hillary and Obama.

You have beat that poor dead horse into mincemeat. It is irrelevant. She is not prez-elect; he will out of office soon. They are history. Those terrible "facts" that partly caused Clinton to lose were "fake news" courtesy of our own FBI and dear comrade Putin. Furthermore, when presented with the "facts" that they were indeed fake, those who hate Clinton still continue to believe them. There is a saying that if you repeat something 3 times or you hear something 3 times, it becomes your fact. Here is where our vulnerability sits.

No actually I think that Obama thinks so much of himself that he will remain in DC to be a problem for Trump. Unlike Bush who left and refused to comment on the new president's tenure, Obama cannot allow that.

Whaaaaat? his kid is in high school, she's going into 11th grade, he doesn't want to move.. He's going to be a PRIVATE CITIZEN. We as Americans can live wherever we want (in America).. you saying what you did in bold is distorted Redwood, truly. I wouldn't move my kid in 10th grade unless I had to.

From an article in March 2016 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-staying-dc-couple-years-presidency-ends/story?id=37374964

Obamas Probably Staying in DC ‘a Couple of Years’ After Presidency Ends

this was well before Trumplet was a real contender.

I don't know where you get your information but you posted fake news that was biased against Obama.

 

[Matata]

And if you feel this is the best route by the dems then by all means stick to it. I will be watching the new administration as well. We shall see how it all turns out.

BTW the popular vote thing is also a dead horse. How many times does it have to be said that we live in a Republic of states - not a democracy?

I mentioned it in reference to your "much of America" statement. Is that your opinion or do you have data to back the claim. I couldn't find anything when I did a search but may not have used the right parameters.

Well it seems to be a product of deduction that Trump won the election and people voted for him to do the things he campaigned on. So at least those same people, plus those of us like me who did not vote for him, would not want Obama undermining his tenure. That would be "much of America" yes? That is not really a stretch to come to that conclusion.

Aaaah, so it's your opinion then. Your math is off. More people voted against him than for him so that right there is more of America than your much of America and that doesn't take into account those who voted for others rather than for Trump who may not mind Obama staying in Washington because we can't know that number just like we can't know the number of people like you who may feel the way you do.

What was it you said upthread, oh, yes here it is "And you say all this in a thread that you started with links to the Huffington Post as your Daily Trumpet news? That is quite hilarious and ironic actually." I am delighted that hilarity and irony is a two-way street

Do you need me to provide a link to Breitbart or some other right leaning site that is equal in bias to the Huffington Post? I would have thought that you would have enough respect for me to allow me the use of the word "much" but I guess not. There is no respect for an opinion that is different from yours. You just want to argue.

You always go there with people when you step your foot in it. Pot, kettle, black. I respect your opinions, I just don't agree with all of them.

 

[Tekate]

And if you feel this is the best route by the dems then by all means stick to it. I will be watching the new administration as well. We shall see how it all turns out.

BTW the popular vote thing is also a dead horse. How many times does it have to be said that we live in a Republic of states - not a democracy?

I mentioned it in reference to your "much of America" statement. Is that your opinion or do you have data to back the claim. I couldn't find anything when I did a search but may not have used the right parameters.

Well it seems to be a product of deduction that Trump won the election and people voted for him to do the things he campaigned on. So at least those same people, plus those of us like me who did not vote for him, would not want Obama undermining his tenure. That would be "much of America" yes? That is not really a stretch to come to that conclusion.

Aaaah, so it's your opinion then. Your math is off. More people voted against him than for him so that right there is more of America than your much of America and that doesn't take into account those who voted for others rather than for Trump who may not mind Obama staying in Washington because we can't know that number just like we can't know the number of people like you who may feel the way you do.

What was it you said upthread, oh, yes here it is "And you say all this in a thread that you started with links to the Huffington Post as your Daily Trumpet news? That is quite hilarious and ironic actually." I am delighted that hilarity and irony is a two-way street

Do you need me to provide a link to Breitbart or some other right leaning site that is equal in bias to the Huffington Post? I would have thought that you would have enough respect for me to allow me the use of the word "much" but I guess not. There is no respect for an opinion that is different from yours. You just want to argue.


BTW where is your link that says no one wanted Bush to stay in DC?

Is everything on Breitbart a lie? Is everything on Huffington Post a lie? That is why we fact check.. corroborate.

 

[redwood66]

Umm no. Since the election Obama has stated that he intends to criticize Trump when he deems it necessary.

 

[redwood66]

And if you feel this is the best route by the dems then by all means stick to it. I will be watching the new administration as well. We shall see how it all turns out.

BTW the popular vote thing is also a dead horse. How many times does it have to be said that we live in a Republic of states - not a democracy?

I mentioned it in reference to your "much of America" statement. Is that your opinion or do you have data to back the claim. I couldn't find anything when I did a search but may not have used the right parameters.

Well it seems to be a product of deduction that Trump won the election and people voted for him to do the things he campaigned on. So at least those same people, plus those of us like me who did not vote for him, would not want Obama undermining his tenure. That would be "much of America" yes? That is not really a stretch to come to that conclusion.

Aaaah, so it's your opinion then. Your math is off. More people voted against him than for him so that right there is more of America than your much of America and that doesn't take into account those who voted for others rather than for Trump who may not mind Obama staying in Washington because we can't know that number just like we can't know the number of people like you who may feel the way you do.

What was it you said upthread, oh, yes here it is "And you say all this in a thread that you started with links to the Huffington Post as your Daily Trumpet news? That is quite hilarious and ironic actually." I am delighted that hilarity and irony is a two-way street

Do you need me to provide a link to Breitbart or some other right leaning site that is equal in bias to the Huffington Post? I would have thought that you would have enough respect for me to allow me the use of the word "much" but I guess not. There is no respect for an opinion that is different from yours. You just want to argue.

You always go there with people when you step your foot in it. Pot, kettle, black. I respect your opinions, I just don't agree with all of them.

 

[Matata]

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[Dancing Fire]

Hang in there RED!...

 

[Karl_K]

I don't see anything fake.

If 'everyone' has malware on their computer then they are stupid, because it's easy to get free software to run checks.

So what is fake?

If you think that one scanner or even 2 are a total solution then more research is needed.

That the utility was hacked is fake news based on the story given. The story does not fit the headline.
The laptop would never be allowed to connect to the control network in the first place if the network admin was doing his job and following the law. It would only be allowed to connect to the general network not the secure networks of which there are several different ones.
Segmented networks are mandatory at that level.
Air gaps are not uncommon.

 

[Tekate]

I don't see anything fake.

If 'everyone' has malware on their computer then they are stupid, because it's easy to get free software to run checks.

So what is fake?

If you think that one scanner or even 2 are a total solution then more research is needed.

That the utility was hacked is fake news based on the story given. The story does not fit the headline.
The laptop would never be allowed to connect to the control network in the first place if the network admin was doing his job and following the law. It would only be allowed to connect to the general network not the secure networks of which there are several different ones.
Segmented networks are mandatory at that level.
Air gaps are not uncommon.

http://www.newsweek.com/fake-news-cries-discovery-russian-malware-vermont-utility-537567

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/technology/309956-how-we-know-russia-not-a-guy-in-jersey-hacked-the-dnc

As I did a bit of reading about this it became clear that Intercept and Taibbi are close friends and work(ed) for the same rich guy. Basically Taibbi is regurgitating the Intercept story. There is no clear evidence that Russia hacked the election machines etc but at this point, who knows I mean how could the polls be so OFF? I actually don't believe or disbelieve that story as no proof has been shown they did, but to me there is proof enough to show Russia tried to influence the election towards Trump by planting stolen information by way of supplying Wikileaks..

As to the power company in VT, this shows that the owner of the laptop somehow placed (opened a bad email say) with malicious code, but it in no way shows the whole grid was hacked.