The Agony Of Defeat!

[Laila619]

Ame, did you get any resolution about the Vatche setting? I was just curious how that's going.

 

[ame]

No not yet. After discussing it with Jon, we both are kind of of the opinion that they simply cannot DO any better than this. I have to get back into this discussion with him, I put this on the backburner til now as well, for the same reason I mentioned above.

i will know for sure tomorrow if this is a remake or a refund situation.

 

[Amys Bling]

DS might be onto something...

 

[Christina...]

ame do you how thoughts as to how you will set the stone if you are issued a refund from Flyer?

 

[ame]

ame do you how thoughts as to how you will set the stone if you are issued a refund from Flyer?

Flyer is my wedding band. My Vatche still has my diamond in it though.

 

[Kaleigh]

No re-makes no do overs. Get a refund. I have several bands from Tiffany's. They are perfection. Loupe clean, set to perfection... Then once you get said band .... Give that whatever power loupe you have a rest... Cause you will see any flaw etc...

I am 50, I am happy almost everything is eyeclean.... It's a blessing!!!

 

[ame]

Hopefully someday my eyesight will start to suck and I won't care.

 

[yssie]

A quick break from work just to say hang in there ame! I hope they make it right for you this time - the fact that it was originally in acceptable condition aside from the problem stones is very promising, at least you know that they can do what you want.

Difficult to please doesn't mean impossible to please

 

[Kaleigh]

And knowing what is truly important helps. I hope you find something that you love.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Okay. So they are made to order. But you are a size six. Have you called GOG to speak to Jon? I'd see if there is anything he can do to order you something from one of the lines he carries, but with a return policy and an understanding that it needs to be loupe perfect and he personally needs to examine it for that when it arrives there to make sure it is before it is shipped to you.

does Jon have a big jar of Aspirin in his store?...

 

[ame]

A quick break from work just to say hang in there ame! I hope they make it right for you this time - the fact that it was originally in acceptable condition aside from the problem stones is very promising, at least you know that they can do what you want.

Difficult to please doesn't mean impossible to please

Thank you!!! That bolded part is why I agreed to give them a chance to make it right before just a refund is issued. If they cannot get it right, then that's fine, and then Ill start over. I HAVE been pleased with items in the past, not many, but I have.

And knowing what is truly important helps. I hope you find something that you love.

Thank you, I know this thread is taken in the context of this ring is more important than anything in my life, and it's really not. I have a lot of other stuff going on, but this stuff is confined to a place where I would think the people "Get it". Its one little pocket of material good drama, first world problems.

Okay. So they are made to order. But you are a size six. Have you called GOG to speak to Jon? I'd see if there is anything he can do to order you something from one of the lines he carries, but with a return policy and an understanding that it needs to be loupe perfect and he personally needs to examine it for that when it arrives there to make sure it is before it is shipped to you.

does Jon have a big jar of Aspirin in his store?...

I would hope a morphine drip. Then it might be agonizing pain but he wouldn't give a damn!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

No re-makes no do overs. Get a refund. I have several bands from Tiffany's. They are perfection. Loupe clean, set to perfection... Then once you get said band .... Give that whatever power loupe you have a rest... Cause you will see any flaw etc...

I am 50, I am happy almost everything is eyeclean.... It's a blessing!!!

Haha! So true! But I will say, I require that things be eyeclean and as perfect as my reading glasses will allow me to see!

Loupes need to be thrown away!!!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Ame, you mentioned finding chips with a 30x loupe. Were you able to see the chips with your eyes? How about a 10x loupe? I have never looked at anything with a 30x loupe and would be afraid to! If Flyer attempts to remake the ring, I think they need to know you want it perfect at 30x. I am not sure anyone can do that, truthfully.

 

[Gypsy]

Ame, a lot of people love Vatche settings. Just resell it. Consider it lesson learned. I have a 2mm half eternity pave from Scott Kay (like the one from ebay) and it's been fabulous. Looks great and has never lost a stone. But I've only louped it once, just to test my loupe.

Do you think you can train yourself to NOT loupe things? Until I started reselling things I didn't own a loupe. I can't resell without one so I own one now, but I only loupe stuff I sell. Not anything I own for myself.

If you go looking for problems, you will usually find them. I let my jeweler check my prongs and my stones for me-- let them loupe it. And I am a bit obsessive about it so I have them check it all about once every month or two. But it saves me from having any issues AND from louping my stuff myself.

Seriously if you just throw out the loupes you might be a happier bling owner.

 

[ame]

Ame, you mentioned finding chips with a 30x loupe. Were you able to see the chips with your eyes? How about a 10x loupe? I have never looked at anything with a 30x loupe and would be afraid to! If Flyer attempts to remake the ring, I think they need to know you want it perfect at 30x. I am not sure anyone can do that, truthfully.

they do know that I am a louper. They were warned in advance about me. Lol

I did not loupe it for 4 days after receipt of the ring, per agreement with the jeweler, even after seeing the chips/cracks in two stones almost immediately upon receipt (on my way home). I alerted the jeweler and we agreed to give it a week before making a "punch list" and having it sent back. I louped at 10x because I wanted to make sure it was actually a chip and not gunk or skin bits. Then i looked at the others and saw another with cracks or fissures in the table. Another had the girdle chipped and that one really wasnt a big deal to me as it was inset a little. When the fissures and what i thought was gunk wouldn't come off after several cleanings I louped it at 30x. Then it was confirmed that there was damage on the stones, either before they were set or from setting/finishing. Before shipping back we put it under the microscope to see what the fissure thing was and of that was really on the surface or just feathers or something and they did break the surface.

 

[ame]

Ame, a lot of people love Vatche settings. Just resell it. Consider it lesson learned. I have a 2mm half eternity pave from Scott Kay (like the one from ebay) and it's been fabulous. Looks great and has never lost a stone. But I've only louped it once, just to test my loupe.

Do you think you can train yourself to NOT loupe things?.

I don't know. I definitely don't do it like I used to, I try to save it for the big cleaning over the weekend. I can't get rid of the 10x bec of grading but I can try to not carry eiher... Maybe. If there's ever a whack that's when I have to inspect or it niggles. And I take it off if I can't immediately inspect.


After this is settled and over I'll be dealing with the Vatche. I want one finished and then i can deal with the other. I am not opposed to selling it, no idea what I'd get for it, but I'd need to find a replacement and one I can afford. That's not my priority til this band thing is settled.

 

[Kaleigh]

I wish you could get to a place where you can wear a ring and just enjoy it......

We all have flaws... I am not saying to accept a ring that is poorly made...

I think buying from a high end store, ( and I know you hate that idea ) But what you see is what you get. YES you pay more, but no more headaches, stress, wondering ...

You walk out with something that suits you... And stop about too wide, too this and too that...


And I willl send you a cake once you get said ring, if you wear it for a month without examining it.


On that note, I have to bail. My friend who I worked with was held up at Gun point. I was held up at gun point with him years ago... I am really hating what is going on.

 

[Kaleigh]

I wish you could get to a place where you can wear a ring and just enjoy it......

We all have flaws... I am not saying to accept a ring that is poorly made...

I think buying from a high end store, ( and I know you hate that idea ) But what you see is what you get. YES you pay more, but no more headaches, stress, wondering ...

You walk out with something that suits you... And stop about too wide, too this and too that...


And I willl send you a cake once you get said ring, if you wear it for a month without examining it.


On that note, I have to bail. My friend who I worked with was held up at Gun point. I was held up at gun point with him years ago... I am really hating what is going on.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Oh, Lisa! That is terrible! I hope he is okay!

Ame...if you could see the cracks/chips with your eyes or even 10x, then I would have returned it, too! I just wish you could get your money back because I don't have confidence that they can make it like you want it.

 

[Gypsy]

What was the original repair for that lead to the broken melee? Was it just because the metal was a little rough in spots?

 

[Amys Bling]

Oh, Lisa! That is terrible! I hope he is okay!

Ame...if you could see the cracks/chips with your eyes or even 10x, then I would have returned it, too! I just wish you could get your money back because I don't have confidence that they can make it like you want it.

ditto- I don't know if they can make you happy. They have already tried and failed and It caused more headache

 

[ame]

What was the original repair for that lead to the broken melee? Was it just because the metal was a little rough in spots?

No, it actually came that way from them originally, with the damaged melee and a little roughness on prongs. When we sent it back to have those replaced, that's when the ring was turned kind of into a hot mess with wonky/lifted prongs, off centered stones, stones jammed into the ring so they were no longer level, stones were messed with that weren't even pointed out as an issue. We marked the offending stones with a sharpie for them so they'd know what to do. So we were surprised that other stones were rearranged somehow or if they were all removed or something and then just put back sloppily.

 

[ame]

Oh, Lisa! That is terrible! I hope he is okay!

Ame...if you could see the cracks/chips with your eyes or even 10x, then I would have returned it, too! I just wish you could get your money back because I don't have confidence that they can make it like you want it.

ditto- I don't know if they can make you happy. They have already tried and failed and It caused more headache

well, they didn't try to remake it before. They just reworked the same thing. And it just kept getting worse. If they can remake it well without any damaged diamonds this time, great.

 

[Laila619]

How in the heck can you see a chipped girdle on a melee stone that teeny tiny?! Even when I use my Belomo loupe, which is good quality, I can't see that level of detail. I must not be using it correctly or something, because details are never that crisp.

Do you think they chipped the stones during the setting process? Now I'm wondering if chipped stones are more common than I thought.

 

[ame]

At first I did think that it was from setting/finishing, but now I just think they were poorly selected. One of the with the girdle could be chipped from setting for sure. I can see probalby easily 3x up close with no correction on my own, with contacts (distance) it's even better. I saw the issues with the table damage without a loupe at all. I just used to to confirm what I saw.

 

[Madam Bijoux]

You paid good money for the ring - it should be exactly the way you want it to be. If a custom jeweler can't do the job right, you're better off dealing with T & Co, Cartier or another trustworthy store.

 

[ame]

I have an update:

The remade flyer has arrived at the jeweler, I just can't get there til tomorrow afternoon to pick it up. I know they hand selected the diamonds with a 30x, and I assume final quality control was done under 30x as well. The lady at the jeweler who let me know it was there said it appeared to her to be right on, and the stones all looked level. I am crossing my fingers that it is PERFECT.

Ill update you all when I get it!

 

[Enerchi]

I hope it is just the way you imagine it should be
Best of luck when you get it. Fingers crossed for you.

 

[Christina...]

Keeping my fingers crossed for you and looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Are you planning to 30x loupe it or are you going to try to refrain? I'm looking into an SI1 right now and told myself that if it's truly eye clean then I won't loupe it, but jeesh, I don't know if I'll be able to handle the temptation.

 

[ame]

I will probably loupe it right away. Because I don't want to wait til I leave and then have to make a trip back over.

Hopefully I find nothing! I hope my anxiety is for naught and that I can post that they made it all right as I said I would if it was all settled.