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Hello,
I want a nicely cut diamond, and only have a GIA cert. to go by - two questions, is this a decent diamond/price, and also, if the GIA cert. is 2 years old on the diamond, is that a problem? Thanks in advance!

1.62 carats; E color; VS1
7.62x7.70x4.60mm
Depth: 60.1
Table: 61
VTN to STK, F
no culet
VG, VG
strong Blue Flouresence.

Cost around 13k
 
You need more info if you are buying sight unseen.

i would not consider that stone, but you are the buyer
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I actually did see it, and it looks nice to me - but to call myself an amateur may be an overstatement. Is the depth/table a problem in and of itself? I don't mind flourescence in general ....
 
you need to ask them for a sarin.




60/60 type stones like this COULD be nice but it will be hard to tell without more information, like the info on a sarin such as crown and pavilion angles.




also the girdle is very thin to slightly thick? i would find out where the v.thin areas are..make sure that its not alot of them.




the fluor isn't really an issue though i'm not a fan of strong blues with such low color grades...but also the stone seems really expensive for what it is? maybe because it's a brick and mortar store and not online--but i wouldnt pay that much for a 60/60..no way. not when you could get an ideal Hearts and Arrows from one of the online vendors, 1.60c E/F VS2 for around $14k.




btw it may look nice in the store but did you take it outside and look at it in the regular light or natural light? stores make stones look really great..with all their special lighting...just be smart about it and do the extra research...make them give you a sarin report.




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my two cents!
 
Then get an ideal-scope for a few bucks and take your own lighting into the store
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www.ideal-scope.com

I like fluro too
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I recently bought a 60/60 stone, 60.6/60 to be exact. I relied only on GIA cert. as well. Had it appraised, and am only able to get estimates of critical crown and pavilion angle and depth % because my stone was already mounted. Based on the estimated values, my deal was not a good as I thought. I am currently thinking of sending back. It will cost an extra 173 for appraisal and 45 for return shipping, but it was a good learning experience. I credit most of what I have learned over the past week to this forum! Save over $200 and listen to the folks here.

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Thanks for the recommendations - I have a question, I don't know if any of the pros feel like answering or not but: Is it expected that a local dealer would be able to give me more details of a diamond than on the GIA cert. I.E. pavilion angle and height (or Sarin report) - so that I'd get a better idea of the cut. Or is it quite possible that he doesn't have the tools to measure those things/ or is it hard to do? Thanks in advance. Oh one more thing: is a GIA certificate that is 2 years old a problem?
 
Ask for the Sarin report..and if they don't have the means to do it..ask if they can find a way. If not..then personally and very honestly, I would not work further with that vendor. Why bother when you have thousands of other stones out there to choose from and many of which will come with Sarins or with vendors who will get you Sarins.




Diamonds are not rare...nor are vendors who sell them, so don't be afraid to ask for what you require, and work with only those who can deliver. You are not asking for the moon to ask for more information in order to make an educated decision. This is your hard-earned money here, make it work for you.




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BTW 2 year old GIA report may mean many things...It could have been that it was sold and resold a few times to wholesalers so has spent much of its time in transit. Could have meant that it has been out a few times to potential buyers but they didn't go for it...all that sending around and around can take a while. 2 years is not a short period of time..but diamonds don't turn ugly because they have just been sitting around. Or yes it could mean that its not quite a desirable stone and thats why no one has purchased it. Lots of reasons. Get the Sarin and find out!
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Good luck!
 
Don't be too surprise that the local jeweler can't get you the Sarin report information if he/she does not possess the crown/pavillion information. And if this is a loose diamond that you are purchasing, and the vendor offers to get the info, also don't be surprise if he/she asks you to foot the bill.

In the past, diamonds were typically sold based on diamond grading reports alone. If the diamond was GIA graded, it typically would lack the crown/pavillion angle information. Getting the information is not hard to do if the jeweler possess the proper equipment but most likely they do not.

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Often a vendor gets the Sarin information from the manufacturer. In this case, that might indicate the history of the stone, if the vendor has had it so long that he doesn't htink he can go back to the manufacturer. But I agree with Mara. Get the sarin info or walk. There are tons of stones out there, and you should make a decision as important as this one based on full info, not just partial info and "trust" that the rest is ok.
 
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