Table and Depth% ????

[irish80]

I put a deposit on a diamond over the weekend and I am unsure if I really want it as I am confused about the depth%. The diamond information is as follows.

Weight: 1.21ct
Depth: 64.9%
Table: 55%
Color: F
Clarity: SI1

The diamond is GIA certified and alone costs $7000 inc.tax. Can anyone help me? It this a good buy or am I being taken for a ride????

 

[coda72]

In order to help you, I need to know more information. Is this a round diamond or some other shape? If it''s a round, that sounds pretty deep, but if it''s a fancy shape, depending on what shape it is, that depth could be fine.

 

[belle]

hey irish80

if that is a round, the stone is pretty deep. were you able to compare it to many other diamonds? the price is in line with what you could expect to pay for that size stone so if you liked the look of it, it may not be such a bad deal.

 

[irish80]

Sorry, here is some more info.

Shape: Round
Polish: Good
Symmetry: V.Good
Girdle: Thick to very thick
Fluorescence: none

 

[belle]

with the thick/vthick girdle and large depth, this stone could be facing up smaller than diamonds of the same carat weight. what are the measurements?

 

[coda72]

I''m definitely not a round expert, but that is a very deep round stone. I probably wouldn''t buy a round that is over 62% deep. The deeper the stone is, the smaller it looks. Plus you have a thick girdle on this stone, so you are losing even more size. Your 1.21 carat may look closer to a 1 carat diamond. I apologize if this sounds harsh since you have already put a deposit on this stone, but I would see if you can get your money back.

 

[irish80]

I do not have the measurements!! The guy kept calling me on the phone and put me under pressure to come in with my boyfriend to have a look at the diamond. When I got there he only had a photo copy of the cerificate. That is why I am so nervous now. I have been educating myself all week on diamond proportions and measurements to prepare myself to go back into him this evening. Any advise??

 

[belle]

my best advice is, don''t feel pressured. for most people this is a once in a lifetime purchase. take your time and learn all you can so that you can make an informed decision.

you can start your knowledge here.

 

[widget]

Grrrrrr

I HATE it when I hear of a diamond salesman pressuring a young couple!

I would at least insist on seeing a couple of other GIA diamonds of similar quality, along side of this one to compare.

It does seem a pity to pay for carat weight you can''t see...to say nothing of what differences there may be in the visual appeal between several stones...

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[Lorelei]

I am not liking the depth on that diamond either. I think you can do better, a quick search revealed lots of options and the thick girdle is a waste of carat weight too. However if you really like the diamond that is the main thing. Don''t be pressured, it takes time to learn all about the intricacies of diamonds, there are plenty out there, don''t compromise and continue to research and find one you are happy with. It is a lot of money to spend if you are unsure.

 

[irish80]

From what I am learning, looking for a round diamond I should stay within these proportions?

Depth: 58-62.5%
Table: 53-59%
Crown Height: 14-17%
Pavilion depth: 42-44%
Girdle: Medium to slightly thick
Culet: None to medium
Fluroescence: None
Polish: Good to very good
Symmetry: very good
Color: D-G
Clarity: VS1 to SI1

Is there anything I am missing or is this enough information to choose a good stone? It has also been pointed out to me that GIA and AGS are the best certicates to have on a diamond, is that correct?

 

[Lorelei]

Welcome Irish

Check out the cut tutorials under the knowledge section. Flouresence is a matter of preference, some deliberately choose diamonds with it, especially with lower colours. A 59 table is a little big for my preferences I wouldn't go over 58 and many prefer smaller. Try to look for crown and pavillion ANGLES where possible, they are more accurate than percentages. Polish and symmetry many go for VG/ EX IDEAL. Girdles slightly thin to thick. Colour is a personal preference and no hard or fast rules here. Many, myself included prefer the warmer colours of J to M for example. Clarity too, you can often find eyeclean diamonds in S12 's. There is a lot to learn and read up on, you should find all the help you need in the knowledge section but you are off to a good start. GIA and AGS are great certs to look for, although the AGS will provide far more info on cut quality. It also depends on whether you want a trade ideal cut with slightly more flexible parameters or a true Ideal cut, a diamond cut to precision numbers and specs to yield the highest possible optical performance, there are differences.

 

[JohnQuixote]

Date: 12/1/2005 10:42:59 AM
Author: irish80
From what I am learning, looking for a round diamond I should stay within these proportions?

Depth: 58-62.5%
Table: 53-59%
Crown Height: 14-17%
Pavilion depth: 42-44%
Girdle: Medium to slightly thick
Culet: None to medium
Fluroescence: None
Polish: Good to very good
Symmetry: very good
Color: D-G
Clarity: VS1 to SI1

Is there anything I am missing or is this enough information to choose a good stone? It has also been pointed out to me that GIA and AGS are the best certicates to have on a diamond, is that correct?

The GIA and AGS grading report advice is very sound. They have strict standards for color and clarity grading where other major labs can be softer.

The proportion ranges you have given are fine, but the precise combination of angles and percentages will be more important than merely looking within a range. Try to get crown and pavilion angle information rather than percentage information and we can give you more relevant feedback on sets of numbers. Even more telling will be an ideal-scope image.

As for color and clarity, those are personal preferences. If you are color sensitive and motivated to get a diamond that faces up ''icy white,'' it''s possible that anything in the range you selected can do that, if well cut. If you''re not committed to colorless-only, be aware that extremely well cut diamonds in the near-colorless range (GHIJ) can face up more colorless than the grade they received at the lab due to above-average light return (rounds are color graded in the face-down position, viewed from the side). Similarly, if you are looking for an eye-clean diamond an AGS or GIA grade of VS and above will practically guarantee that you won''t see an inclusion with the naked eye. Every SI diamond is different. If you''re considering SI diamonds and eye-clean is important to you make sure you establish a clear definition with the seller.

 

[SeaOats]

Date: 12/1/2005 10:42:59 AM
Author: irish80
From what I am learning, looking for a round diamond I should stay within these proportions?

Depth: 58-62.5%
Table: 53-59%
Crown Height: 14-17%
Pavilion depth: 42-44%
Girdle: Medium to slightly thick
Culet: None to medium
Fluroescence: None
Polish: Good to very good
Symmetry: very good
Color: D-G
Clarity: VS1 to SI1

Is there anything I am missing or is this enough information to choose a good stone? It has also been pointed out to me that GIA and AGS are the best certicates to have on a diamond, is that correct?

Well, just my preferences of course, but first, I want the culet to be none, fluroescence to be anywhere from none to medium blue (and even higher depending on stone color), polish to be very good to excellent (preferably excellent), symmetry to be very good to excellent (preferably excellent), color to be anywhere from D to J (color is a very personal preference), and clarity to be SI1-SI2 (why pay for something I can''t see). As for Table, I would (personally) like to not go any higher than 58 or so. Depth, probably wouldn''t want to go over 62 (especially if the girdle is on the thicker side). Girdle, thin to slighly thick is okay.

As for the stone you put the depost on, it is WAY too deep for a round. Combined with the thick girdle, and this stone is going to face up like a much smaller stone. Why pay for a 1.21 carat stone when you are not going to see that size stone!

As for the jeweler, he or she sounds too pushy. If I were you, I would get my deposit back and run! Find another jeweler who is not pushy and is willing to explain all the positives and negatives about each potential diamond. Finally, keep educating yourself here on PS!

 

[widget]

If you decide not to go with this seller, can you get your deposit back?

I think that GIA and AGS are considered the best.

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[irish80]

I am unsure if I can get a refund on my deposit. However I did not sign a contract. I will find out more when I go into the store this evening.

Thanks everyone for your advise and help. I will post tomorrow to give ye an update.

 

[belle]

i don't like that the salesman is pressuring you but since you have already put down a deposit, maybe you could have some other stones brought in. if you find one you like, the deposit could count towards it. best of luck to you!

 

[dazzling]

You are doing the right thing by doing your research now. I hope it was a small/or refundable deposit. If so, definitely try to look at lots and lots of stones to find out what you like. If you find the right vendor, your ring buying experience should be somewhat fun, not stressful and pressured. Pricescope has awesome info as you know, and I would also suggest doing some research on the Whiteflash and Good Old Gold websites. So much valuable info, and you can look at their top cuts of round stones and get an idea proportions of stones that perform really well. Be strong when you go back tonight! This is a purchase that you will live with for a long time! Let us know how it goes!

 

[irish80]

Hi everyone,

First off, thank you all for your advise last week. I did go back to the jewelrs and he played dumb with me. He also mentioned that in a few years my ring will be the least of my worries and that by next week after I have the diamond on my hand I will be wondering what all the fuss was about!!! He also ordered a platimum mounting in for me which did not fit, he then told me that he will re-size it!!!! I am paying approx. $500 for the correct mounting and he wants to re-size it. I was not impressed.

In the end he told us to think about it and he will call us later in the week. I am going to send my boyfriend in on Wednesday to pick up the deposit. We will only get $800 back out of the $1000, but that is better than wearing a ring I dont like for the rest of my life.

 

[Daniel B]

Date: 12/1/2005 10:13:54 AM
Author: widget
Grrrrrr

I HATE it when I hear of a diamond salesman pressuring a young couple!

I would at least insist on seeing a couple of other GIA diamonds of similar quality, along side of this one to compare.

It does seem a pity to pay for carat weight you can't see...to say nothing of what differences there may be in the visual appeal between several stones...

widget

I hear ya! I get just as firm back with pushy salespeople in jewlery stores. If salespeople patronize me, are rude, or any other way shape or form mean to me, thats it

!-- I walk out of the store, and I will not buy from them plain and simple (im stubborn like that

)--there are soo many other nicer people to buy diamonds from without having to put up with that crap.