Stone Size

[podfoot]

Hey everyone! I know this is really tough to do because you can't tell everything, but does anyone have a good guess how big the center stone is? It looks to be a round, but my girlfriend says she wants that size, so I'm just wondering how big it is.... Thanks!

 

[denverappraiser]

We have no scale on the picture. If you can carefully measure the diameter in millimeters, people can make a decent guess but with just a picture out of context we know nothing to go from. Look at a photo of the moon. How big is it?

 

[rockhoundofficiando]

Tacori Dantela 3 stone ring and it's 2.25ct center, I did a google search and came up with this:
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/72902087689857582/

 

[denverappraiser]

Great find rockhoundafficianado.

 

[Gypsy]

Tacori Dantela 3 stone ring and it's 2.25ct center, I did a google search and came up with this:
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/72902087689857582/

Great research skills.

That setting (just as an FYI) itself is 7500 in 18kt FOR a 2 carat stone, I think. A center stone that big, GIA triple X with excellent light return and eyeclean H SI1-Vs2 clarity is going to be $27,000. Even a straight 2 carat stone is going to be just over 20k.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.03-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-317146

So that's $27,500-34,500 for that ring.

If you don't have that kind of money laying around (and most don't), I highly suggest having a very frank discussion with your lady about expectations. You can get her a very nice ring for MUCH less with some of the elements of that one.

What is your budget?

 

[Niel]

Hey everyone! I know this is really tough to do because you can't tell everything, but does anyone have a good guess how big the center stone is? It looks to be a round, but my girlfriend says she wants that size, so I'm just wondering how big it is.... Thanks!

Haha who doesn't!
Your budget from your other post is 6k? Or has it increased sense frb? Time for some compromises. BUT dont get down, if you couldn't tell what size it is, she probably couldn't either, so you go that going for you.

You can get something lovely for your budget. But a 2 ct isn't in that.

 

[Gypsy]

Your budget is 6k and that's what your lady wants? Yeah, this is a great opportunity to practice some of the skills you will need for a strong marriage. COMMUNICATION.

Tell her honestly that that size stone is going to cost a minimum of 20k. JUST FOR THE STONE (even if you get down to J SI1 it's going to be price at 2.25 carats). Let alone any setting. So you need her to understand that your budget is 6k. And that the two of you together are going to have to pick something that she will love, in budget.

 

[Gypsy]

This is what your budget can buy her:
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER7818W44JJ with this diamond: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12528/

 

[Niel]

Let me ask you this...how does she feel about ovals?

Ovals face up larger per CTW than rounds, but are pretty similar to rounds when you consider...

 

[podfoot]

Thanks for the replies everyone!

I know it's too tough to see what it is, but thank you very much for the internet sleuthing to figure that out! I did an image search on it, but for some reason I was not able to ascertain that information! Thanks!

Since my last time on here a few months ago, I actually left professional school and got a fairly well-paying job in software development. My budget is DEFINITELY not 30k, but I should be able to be comfortable with something closer to 10k.

Thanks again!

 

[Niel]

Thanks for the replies everyone!

I know it's too tough to see what it is, but thank you very much for the internet sleuthing to figure that out! I did an image search on it, but for some reason I was not able to ascertain that information! Thanks!

Since my last time on here a few months ago, I actually left professional school and got a fairly well-paying job in software development. My budget is DEFINITELY not 30k, but I should be able to be comfortable with something closer to 10k.

Thanks again!

Hmm 10 k helps a bit, especially sense, if I remember right, she's very brand conscious, so you'll have to buy a tacori or like (is that right?)

I would still consider an oval, but if it has to be a round, I would look for the biggest old cut you can find. She wants rose gold still? If so you could get away with J or K, and those colors look great in old cuts. Also, tacori+ old cuts is nice too. Does the setting have to be that intricate or can she get a less detailed tacori halo?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

$10k is a generous budget. But you are still looking at Gabriel for the setting and around a 1 to 1.2 ct center stone. You really do need to speak to her and explain that the ring she likes is a $30k ring and totally out of the ballpark so she won't be disappointed when she gets her ring.

Something is wrong with the Gabriel site right now, but I think that will be your best bet for something close to the Tacori setting.

Okay,this Gabriel setting is about as close as you're going to get to the Tacori. So $2000 for the setting and $8000 for the diamond. Good Old Gold carries Gabriel and Co settings.

https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER8403W44JJ

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12369/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12400/

 

[denverappraiser]

If size is your/her hot button, you CAN get what you want and still stay on budget. This business is all a matter of tradeoffs. You’ll have to give up on the whole ‘eye clean’ thing but you won’t need to go for something that looks like a sugar cube. Think ‘visible if you know what to look for’. That’s an unpopular concept around here but it’s not really that far out of the box. I-1’s sell pretty well out there in the jewelry stores. You’re going to have to aim for colors in the J-K-L kind of range. Again, that’s not the top choice in the Internet world and you will see color if you’re looking for it but they can be quite lovely (for example, in my own wedding ring I have a K. I show it to people often. People notice the color when I point it out but even when people are studying it, that’s not what they notice). You’re going to have to lose the branding on the mounting. Nothing against Beverly, but she’s not really targeting bargain shoppers. There are plenty of lesser known makers that do fine work for lower prices.

Just as an example, here’s a 2.01 K/I1 GIA/x-x-vg that’s probably quite lovely for $8,088. That leaves $2k on the table for the mounting. That won’t get you the one in the image but that’s plenty to get something with a halo if you want it, side stones and fine craftsmanship. There are literally hundreds to choose from in that price range. Avoid the bigger side stones, avoid heavily advertised brands, and avoid platinum and the budget should be fine. Several are linked in the above discussion.

http://www.uniondiamond.com/AE0945735&ptc=PS

 

[Niel]

I also found this, not 2 cts, but 1.5 cts is nothing to sneeze at, and seems sufficiently eye clean to me.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.53-carat-k-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-350135

I would ASK for any sort of discount that might apply, say" referral " or "preferred members" discount. The specifically don't have a "pricescope" discount anymore but id be a little persistent an ask if they have anything.

now lets say you aren't able to get the discount, still it leaves you 2700 ish for the setting. Does she have to have both diamonds in the halo AND the shank? as i feel like there are tacori settings you could afford, but it would have to either have a halo or diamonds in the shank. Not both. If it were me, id pick the halo. That way, you can get a diamond band to match it, and get the same look. Plus she likes size, so the halo seems like the best idea.

there are no prices listed for this at 1.5 cts, but the 1 ct is 2400. So could be close to budget.

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/tacori-2620rdsm-dantela-crown-solitaire-engagement-ring-2598.htm

ETA: OH!
after looking at there website, this very well may be in budget, and it would have a halo AND diamonds in the shank, though the profile is less intricate (i actually prefer that,myself)
http://www.tacori.com/engagement/49rdp55.html

 

[luvdajules]

thanks for denverappraiser for posting what I thought and wanted to post, but was afraid!

 

[Gypsy]

Just a warning about tacori prices. Setting prices go up (significantly) depending on the size of your center stone. So the prices listed are usually for the smallest size stone the setting accepts. So a 1.5 carat diamond is going to be significantly more expensive.

I think a nice Beverly K setting is a good fit.

 

[Niel]

Just a warning about tacori prices. Setting prices go up (significantly) depending on the size of your center stone. So the prices listed are usually for the smallest size stone the setting accepts. So a 1.5 carat diamond is going to be significantly more expensive.

I think a nice Beverly K setting is a good fit.

from what i could gather judging the tacori MSRP on there website vs the listing on whiteflash, the MSRP is usually listed for a 1 ct.

Ritani has some more vintage looking settings, sense i know she cares about brands, that might be one to consider.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I put BK in my post above and then removed it because there was not a setting close enough to the one she wants. Gabriel has the closest to it as far as I know.

I am sorry to disagree, but I think a K color modern round brilliant is going to look bad in a halo. I think if you have to go to something like K I1, you may as well get a simulant or a treated diamond (and I don't recommend I1's, sims, or treated for an e-ring, ever).

 

[Gypsy]

I am sorry to disagree, but I think a K color modern round brilliant is going to look bad in a halo.

Me too. I agree. I would try to AT LEAST stick to J. But I is prefered.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I am sorry to disagree, but I think a K color modern round brilliant is going to look bad in a halo.

Me too. I agree. I would try to AT LEAST stick to J. But I is prefered.

Exactly my thoughts as well.

 

[Gypsy]

Ok. How about this. http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/pave-and-side-stones/the-anita-halo-18k-white-gold-5950w18 It's a GORGEOUS high quality very delicate halo like the tacori. Very affordable at 2250.

You get this stone: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.205-i-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104072305015 with a full upgrade policy NOW, and then in 5 years you guys can upgrade the stone to a larger one. And put a nice sapphire or other colored stone in the original setting.

OR you can get this stone: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-5296827-1.52-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=5296827&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com And send it to BGD for the setting (don't buy one of B2C's settings, she will not be happy with them if Tacori is the quality she wants).

That's a potentially great stone. It's a J. Looks eyeclean. And B2C also has an upgrade policy for later on down the road.

 

[Niel]

I am sorry to disagree, but I think a K color modern round brilliant is going to look bad in a halo.

Me too. I agree. I would try to AT LEAST stick to J. But I is prefered.

I think the right K would look just fine in a rose gold halo, which i do believe the GF is interested in.

 

[Gypsy]

I don't know. I'd still want J. the contrast is to the melee diamonds.

 

[Niel]

I don't know. I'd still want J. the contrast is to the melee diamonds.

Yeah most PSers would. But, and this is just what i gather from these posts, she needs a big diamond, and she needs a brand name. So a compromise has to come somewhere, and i think one color grade would be a fair compromise.

ooorrrr, hers one way to get the size.

http://www.leibish.com/champagne-diamond/211ct-fancy-yellow-brown-round-i1-60844-13176

 

[Gypsy]

I don't know. I'd still want J. the contrast is to the melee diamonds.

Yeah most PSers would. But, and this is just what i gather from these posts, she needs a big diamond, and she needs a brand name. So a compromise has to come somewhere, and i think one color grade would be a fair compromise.

She needs a name brand? I missed that. OK. So Ritani and a K might be what needs to happen, you are right.

 

[Niel]

I don't know. I'd still want J. the contrast is to the melee diamonds.

Yeah most PSers would. But, and this is just what i gather from these posts, she needs a big diamond, and she needs a brand name. So a compromise has to come somewhere, and i think one color grade would be a fair compromise.

She needs a name brand? I missed that. OK. So Ritani and a K might be what needs to happen, you are right.

could have changed, but heres what I'm basing it off.

She's a very chic and brand conscious girl, and I love her very much, so I want to be able to give her the most stunningly breathtaking ring possible for my budget. She posted a lot of pictures of Verragio rings, but the trouble is that those rings plus a diamond would put me way over my budget. I know her dream is to have a huge, beautiful sparkling boulder on her hand, but I'm in medical school on a limited budget (I won't have a "real" income for another 6-7 years probably)

 

[arkieb1]

If she likes Rose gold - something classic, in fashion and elegant I'd buy the largest stone your budget will allow in a colour you can both live with and put it into this setting;

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/gallery/vintage-and-estate-settings/rose-gold-solitaire-with-pave.html#.U_PgIO0Vq5Q

That would be a beautiful, elegant & timeless ring IMHO, and at a later date you can upgrade to a halo or a larger stone.

If you are after finger coverage then I would get the largest stone you can afford in a colour you can live with and put it into something like this;

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/gallery/vintage-and-estate-settings/estate-micropave-harry-winston-inspired-halo-setting.html#.U_Pg8-0Vq5Q

These are BOTH visually more elegant, classy and better looking settings to my eye than your "branded" choices so far and what you save on the cost of the setting you can then put into buying a larger centre diamond.

 

[Niel]

oh, heres an interesting one.

juust under 1.5 cts, so probably cheaper because of it, a K, BUT its an old cut, so I think more people would feel comfortable putting it in a halo.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.49-carat-k-color-vs1-clarity-very-good-cut-sku-229810

 

[Gypsy]

Ok. Neil, that was good information.

Then this is still my stone recommendation: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-5296827-1.52-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=5296827&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com Bank Wire Price: $8,072.73

With this setting: http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/tacori-sculpted-crescent-harmony-solitaire-engagement-ring-2837.htm (will cost more for a 1.5 carat center). Puts you only a little over budget.

 

[Niel]

Does any place make an airline halo? Other than beverly k? I don't know if beverly K is really well known in the bridal jewelry world, so I don't know if they would work, but i think an airline halo might be a good idea. Has a bezel, that adds size, air line makes the halo bigger, then of course, theres the halo.

Something like this
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-designers/beverley-k-jewelry/rings/176PP1/