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I have been looking for the past few weeks for an engagement ring, and decided to see what I could find online. I really like this setting http://www.adiamor.com/Engagement-Rings/Pave/Petite-Milgrain-and-Pave-Engagement-Setting/1061 from Adiamor, but am pretty lost when it come to picking a stone. I have done some reading and a few places have mentioned that anything above a J color on a round cut stone is a waste of money, is there any truth to this? I would like to spend under 4.5k on a round cut stone. If anyone could point me in the right direction I would really appreciate it.
 
That's a pretty common setting could be found in a few places. Here's a James Allen one, ask them to add free mill graining and it would look the same.

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/14k-white-gold-round-raised-pave-diamond-engagement-ring-item-830

And they have a few other really pretty diamond bands for good price.

Like this.

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/14k-white-gold-rounded-pave-engagement-solitaire-item-8116

And I am someone who thinks you don't need a d colored stone. You could be fine with an i-j colored stone at the size your looking at should be fine. I have a k myself and its stunningly white compared to what people say it would be.

Im on my phone and James allen is so hard on a mobile but I'm sure others can find you some candidates.
 
To me G/H is sort of middle of the road. Go higher if you are color sensitive (E/F) and lower if you are not and want
more bang for your buck (I/J).
 
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I suggest James Allen because they have lots of setting but also show you what colors actually look like face up and to the side, and they have great customer service. They let you pick 3 and have them reviewed.
 
cpl|1373049472|3477729 said:
So I found this stone over at James Allen.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.90-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-181420

It looks really clean from the picture, but it says that it has a faint fluorescence. Is this someone that I should be worried about?

Should I go with something like this that is a bit smaller, but has a better cut and no fluorescence?

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.84-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-217680

Thanks for all the help!
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Well- there may be a few things working against the .9. It faces up small for it ct weight (you also need to look at the spread and not just weight). It is only a little over 6mm so faces up more like well cut .8ct stone. A nicely cut .9 ought to measure around 6.2mm give or take a little bit. I don't really know how a 37 crown pairs with a 40.6 pavilion angle. Ot does have a nice small table but the depth is 64.7 which is one of the reasons it's facing up like a smaller stone would. It also is graded just Good for cut, not EX, and that would give me pause on it also. I haven't run it through the HCA tool yet.

Just to add- the .84 is not smaller, they measure about the same size in diameter. The .9 is heavier, but not larger and both score over 3 on HCA. (You generally want to weed out stones that score much over 2.)

https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca
 
There are some specific angles you want to look for when searching for a round.

depth - 60 - 62% - although my personal preference is to allow up to 62.4%
table - 54- 57
crown angle - 34- 35 degrees
pavilion angle - 40.6- 41 degrees
girdle - avoid extremes, look for thin to slightly thick, thin to medium etcpolish and symmetry - very good and above 

The advanced options let you search depth and table but the other options you have to look at the certificate to see the angles.


Also I would put it into the HCA tool. That can be found by googling "hca calculator " or looking in the tools part of price scope. You want it ideally under 2.


Find three that look good based of their numbers and HCA then ask JA to get you ideal scopes


And no fluor is hardly ever a bad thing, and if it was James Allen would tell you after reviewing it. I prefer it.


Sorry its a little more work but definitely worth it :wavey:
 
cpl|1373050828|3477740 said:
How about something like this

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.91-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-227653

I plugged it into the HCA and everything came back as Excellent

Should I be worried that it only has an I color? From the picture it doesn't look yellow at all.

Sorry I am a bit clueless with all of this. :twirl:
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There is something very bizarre to me about the way that stone is facing (very dark). Did you not like the .9 H I posted?
 
bastetcat|1373050908|3477741 said:
cpl|1373050828|3477740 said:
How about something like this

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.91-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-227653

I plugged it into the HCA and everything came back as Excellent

Should I be worried that it only has an I color? From the picture it doesn't look yellow at all.

Sorry I am a bit clueless with all of this. :twirl:
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There is something very bizarre to me about the way that stone is facing (very dark). Did you not like the .9 H I posted?
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I did just as I was posting my reply. I appreciate all the help!
 
Here's a couple of others. I haven't run HCA on the JA ones (you don't need to on the BG one I'm posting) but I would look at the others and run the numbers through HCA and try to find 3 that you can ask for idealscopes for and gemologist review

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.822-g-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104063637016


http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.81-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-84195
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.90-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-sku-227799
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.90-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-223811


Maybe JulieN or one of the others who's good at finding stones on JA will come on as well.
 
Niel|1373058251|3477793 said:
I'm not a big fan. I like the g bcat posted. Looks eye clean too. Keep in mind, if you tell them you are a PS member and pay by wire it should make this stone less than 4500

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.90-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-223811
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This one looks like it could be really nice. Also throwing this in because it looks great for the price.

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-default&id=18
 
E B|1373064327|3477819 said:
Niel|1373058251|3477793 said:
I'm not a big fan. I like the g bcat posted. Looks eye clean too. Keep in mind, if you tell them you are a PS member and pay by wire it should make this stone less than 4500

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.90-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-223811
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This one looks like it could be really nice. Also throwing this in because it looks great for the price.

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-default&id=18
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I'm going to have to search HPD more often!

I agree after looking again at the other options I hastily posted, the G calls to me most at the moment.
 
From the information you have posted so far, it seems to me you are looking for a fine white diamond (J or better) that is reasonably eye clean and just under 1.00 CT. From what I can tell, a lot of people giving advice here tend to fixate on cut because it is one of the least subjective criterion. Keep in mind that while some parameters like crown angle and pavilion depth will have a more substantial impact on a diamond's appearance, other criteria like table percentage, polish and symmetry are far more subtle to an untrained eye. If you have a car that can go 0 to 60 in ten seconds, would you really notice a difference in a similar vehicle that goes 0-63? Maybe, maybe not.
 
diamond_concierge|1373078401|3477906 said:
From the information you have posted so far, it seems to me you are looking for a fine white diamond (J or better) that is reasonably eye clean and just under 1.00 CT. From what I can tell, a lot of people giving advice here tend to fixate on cut because it is one of the least subjective criterion. Keep in mind that while some parameters like crown angle and pavilion depth will have a more substantial impact on a diamond's appearance, other criteria like table percentage, polish and symmetry are far more subtle to an untrained eye. If you have a car that can go 0 to 60 in ten seconds, would you really notice a difference in a similar vehicle that goes 0-63? Maybe, maybe not.
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i like your posts. :wavey: :D
 
diamond_concierge|1373078755|3477911 said:
I am enjoying the diamond blueprint feature on PS vendor B2C Jewels because it illustrates the subtle impact of cut on performance. For example: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-3748793-0.90-carat-Round-diamond-I-color-VS1-clarity.aspx
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I'm just curious, since you are listed as a trade member, the images on B2C seem liked computer generated ones (which are nice, but wouldn't trump and actual IS image for me) and was wondering what you may know of that?
 
cpl|1373140043|3478213 said:
B2C's prices seem to be a bit better than James Allen's, but the reviews seem to be all over the place. I think I am going to pull the tiger on this one http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-default&id=18

with this setting
http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/channel-set/14k-white-gold-thin-channel-set-round-shaped-diamond-engagement-ring-item-19

Do you think the setting would look better milled, or leave it as is?

Thanks for all the help!
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couple things, do you plan on buying the diamond you posted or did you accidentally post the wrong one? because that stone not from JA

did you mean this one?
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.90-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-223811

if so i hope so, because its been reserved now.

i wouldnt just reserve one, id reserve a few and see which is best.... i think this one has a lot of potential, and it faces up nice.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.90-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-sku-235341

or where you going to get the HPD one and get a setting from them?
 
cpl|1373140043|3478213 said:
B2C's prices seem to be a bit better than James Allen's, but the reviews seem to be all over the place. I think I am going to pull the tiger on this one http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-default&id=18

with this setting
http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/channel-set/14k-white-gold-thin-channel-set-round-shaped-diamond-engagement-ring-item-19

Do you think the setting would look better milled, or leave it as is?

Thanks for all the help!
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I would check with HPD if they can get a setting just like that so you don't have to deal with two vendors for one ring. Milgrain will make it look more 'vintage,' so I'd say yes if that's the look you're going for. It'll be a beautiful ring- please come back with pics!
 
Niel|1373141007|3478215 said:
cpl|1373140043|3478213 said:
B2C's prices seem to be a bit better than James Allen's, but the reviews seem to be all over the place. I think I am going to pull the tiger on this one http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-default&id=18

with this setting
http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/channel-set/14k-white-gold-thin-channel-set-round-shaped-diamond-engagement-ring-item-19

Do you think the setting would look better milled, or leave it as is?

Thanks for all the help!
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couple things, do you plan on buying the diamond you posted or did you accidentally post the wrong one? because that stone not from JA

did you mean this one?
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.90-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-223811

if so i hope so, because its been reserved now.

i wouldnt just reserve one, id reserve a few and see which is best.... i think this one has a lot of potential, and it faces up nice.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.90-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-sku-235341

or where you going to get the HPD one and get a setting from them?
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Yeah I meant to post this one
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.90-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-223811

And I have it on reserve.
 
 
Niel|1373141614|3478219 said:
also, if you use that channel set, i wouldnt millgrain it, the metal seems a bit thick for it. if you wanted to millgrain it, id use this setting
http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/14k-white-gold-round-raised-pave-diamond-engagement-ring-item-830

also, if your concerned about price these have millgraining and are cheaper.

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/vintage/14k-white-gold-pave-knife-edge-cathedral-diamond-engagement-ring-item-17840

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/three-stone/14k-white-gold-vintage-fluted-pear-engagement-ring-item-9216

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/side-stones/14k-white-gold-lotus-flower-diamond-engagement-ring-item-17822
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She really like thin bands. So I think I am just going to stick with the one I picked, and not have it millgrained.
 
cpl|1373142391|3478228 said:
Niel|1373141614|3478219 said:
also, if you use that channel set, i wouldnt millgrain it, the metal seems a bit thick for it. if you wanted to millgrain it, id use this setting
http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/14k-white-gold-round-raised-pave-diamond-engagement-ring-item-830

also, if your concerned about price these have millgraining and are cheaper.

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/vintage/14k-white-gold-pave-knife-edge-cathedral-diamond-engagement-ring-item-17840

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/three-stone/14k-white-gold-vintage-fluted-pear-engagement-ring-item-9216

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/side-stones/14k-white-gold-lotus-flower-diamond-engagement-ring-item-17822
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She really like thin bands. So I think I am just going to stick with the one I picked, and not have it millgrained.
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Good idea to leave it alone. Should be beautiful!
 
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