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movie zombie|1300639295|2875765 said:personally, i don't find any of those stones attractive despite being "enhanced".....
MoZo
movie zombie|1300639295|2875765 said:personally, i don't find any of those stones attractive despite being "enhanced".....
MoZo
movie zombie|1300639295|2875765 said:personally, i don't find any of those stones attractive despite being "enhanced".....
MoZo
JewelFreak|1300617066|2875671 said:What a nightmare if this is true. Unfortunately right, CMW, bound to happen eventually. I only hope he's hyping his "fabulous" new method & it's not as perfect & undetectable as he says. Depressing, growl.
--- Laurie
movie zombie|1300639295|2875765 said:personally, i don't find any of those stones attractive despite being "enhanced".....
MoZo
Michael, given that they don't give exact details about the treatment (other than it's some type of cookery with additives), and they claim that the new treatment is difficult to detect with "classic gemological instruments," can you expound on what exactly you'd look for? Plus, even though we know there's heat involved in the process, they give such a broad range of temperatures, that even looking for the effects of heat on certain types of inclusions would be inconclusive.Michael_E|1300642220|2875783 said:movie zombie|1300639295|2875765 said:personally, i don't find any of those stones attractive despite being "enhanced".....
MoZo
I agree and that's what makes this something of a non-event. Turning a really ugly stone into a marginal stone is a good thing for those who are not concerned about treatments and just want something colorful and relatively inexpensive, but would have little effect on those buying stones with greater clarity than those shown. From the looks of it, this would be an easy treatment to pick up with nothing more than a microscope. I think that it's a good thing for some, (since the durability is good), and should mean nothing for those wanting better quality goods.
Pandora|1300646006|2875836 said:If the treatment is effecting the lattice then it won't matter if you recut the stone as the treatment is through all the material not just the surface.
Ted Themilis sells stones as research samples to labs and gemmologists not as gemstones for setting. He is the guy who works on methods of detecting these treatments.
Pandora|1300646006|2875836 said:Ted Themilis sells stones as research samples to labs and gemmologists not as gemstones for setting. He is the guy who works on methods of detecting these treatments.
Richard M.|1300652161|2875914 said:Pandora|1300646006|2875836 said:Ted Themilis sells stones as research samples to labs and gemmologists not as gemstones for setting. He is the guy who works on methods of detecting these treatments.
Ted's now selling direct to the consumer market: see the announcement on his home page.
He appears to be very angry at the gem trade and seems almost at the point of trying to undermine it by creating even greater consumer anxiety and suspicions about undisclosed treatments of stones sold by traditional sources. Note his proprietary treatment disclosure document on the home page. He had a very grumpy rant on his site about a year ago to the general effect of forecasting the end of the colored stone business due to treatments. Meanwhile he seems to be playing both ends against the middle, trying in every way possible to profit from the very trend he helped create.
Hopefully he'll soon do a better job of explaining what he's up to. I'm more than a little disgusted with the guy's approach to this matter. There are plenty of ethical sellers who stand to be badly hurt if his new process lives up to his hype.
Richard M.
cellentani|1300647042|2875849 said:Michael, given that they don't give exact details about the treatment (other than it's some type of cookery with additives), and they claim that the new treatment is difficult to detect with "classic gemological instruments," can you expound on what exactly you'd look for?
Richard M.|1300652161|2875914 said:Hopefully he'll soon do a better job of explaining what he's up to. I'm more than a little disgusted with the guy's approach to this matter.
Richard M.
Michael_E|1300653187|2875928 said:cellentani|1300647042|2875849 said:Michael, given that they don't give exact details about the treatment (other than it's some type of cookery with additives), and they claim that the new treatment is difficult to detect with "classic gemological instruments," can you expound on what exactly you'd look for?
The use of flux in two of his images indicates that this process is being used on stones with surface reaching fractures and so looking for healed fractures would be a good way to start. Those "crumb like" inclusions also don't look like something which I would consider natural and would at least draw further attention to this type of stone. It might be tough to be positive about a stone being treated, but if the stone in question is of high enough value to concern a person they'd probably be sending it to a lab anyway.
He talks about using solids and gas phase elements to achieve this and so he must be adding something to the stone making the I.D. of that additive or it's carrier something that a better lab, which has access to more advanced techniques like laser ablation spectroscopy and others, could fairly easily I.D. after they had seen a few of these. I just doubt that this type of treatment is going to flood the market with higher end gems that can't be I.D.'d and so it's really more interesting than alarming.
Michael_E|1300653583|2875933 said:Richard M.|1300652161|2875914 said:Hopefully he'll soon do a better job of explaining what he's up to. I'm more than a little disgusted with the guy's approach to this matter.
Richard M.
Maybe planning to hit the market with a handy dandy "treatment tester" , something like the run-up to the introduction of moissanite?