Someone go see this GIANT rock for us!

[Dreamer_D]

I want someone to go see this GIANT ROCK for us and take photos next to small animals, cars, and meteors to provide appropriate perspective on its size! Its at H. Moradi in La Jolla!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GIA-Certified-18-26-CT-ROUND-BRILLIANT-CUT-LOOSE-DIAMOND-L-VVS2-C300-/321357163759?pt=Loose_Diamonds&hash=item4ad2612cef

 

[ckrickett]

BOULDER!

 

[thecat]

In what way can one rock it other than pendant?

 

[m-2-b]

OMG--that is one gigantic rock! I wonder how the original owner wore it in the first place?!

 

[ihy138]

 

[armywife13]

WOW!!!!

 

[Matata]

Needs a recut

 

[momhappy]

Holy moly! That thing should have its own zip code

 

[Niel]

Needs a recut

Somebody call rhino this should probably be an avr.

 

[armywife13]

Needs a recut

Somebody call rhino this should probably be an avr.

That would be one heck of an AVR!!!

 

[monarch64]

In what way can one rock it other than pendant?

I've been looking for something to add just the right touch to the end of my scepter. This would work well.

 

[Harpertoo]

In what way can one rock it other than pendant?

I've been looking for something to add just the right touch to the end of my scepter. This would work well.

We really see too few scepters!

(I think I know this jeweler in La Jolla, if I am correct they have a lot of significantly sized OECs.)

 

[minousbijoux]

So interesting that this is for sale on ebay - I wonder if ebay really is a bona fide venue for sales of this magnitude - I always thought it was more for free advertising, but wow!

 

[Sakuracherry]

Monster! How would people set this stone?

 

[VapidLapid]

it really does need a recut

I cant imagine using paypal for a half a million dollar item, hmmm, then again I cant imagine using cash either; I've never bought a half a million dollar item

 

[Gypsy]

AVR recut would be a good idea.

 

[tammy77]

Be right back, I need to go wipe the drool off of my laptop.

 

[JewelFreak]

You'd have to "set" it in a wheelbarrow!

 

[missy]

I don't know. Is it just me or would this be chancy to wear (even before the recut) on the NYC subways? Not sure my mittens would be able to cover this...

 

[iLander]

I think everyone will just assume it's fake. I know I would. Looks like something from Claire's.

And to hold it upright, I think you'd need one of those 2 finger rings.

I think 10-12 mm is the limit for me.

I'll let you all know if I get near my limit.

 

[iLander]

I don't know. Is it just me or would this be chancy to wear (even before the recut) on the NYC subways? Not sure my mittens would be able to cover this...

Can you imagine? I think even I would consider mugging someone for this thing.

 

[ame]

I want someone to go see this GIANT ROCK for us and take photos next to small animals, cars, and meteors to provide appropriate perspective on its size! Its at H. Moradi in La Jolla!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GIA-Certified-18-26-CT-ROUND-BRILLIANT-CUT-LOOSE-DIAMOND-L-VVS2-C300-/321357163759?pt=Loose_Diamonds&hash=item4ad2612cef

OMG, the cut on that is ATROCIOUS! 67% table with a 55% depth!? EEK! Recut that baby, stat!

 

[WinkHPD]

When I first saw the picture I thought, Yikes, what a lifeless looking diamond.

So I went to look at the paper.

As Ame has stated just above, it is an atrocious cut. I wanted to approximate what it might take to recut it.

I am not an expert at recuts and the shallow crown dictates that the girdle is going to have to come in quite a bit.

Paul, John or Carl or many other people here can probably tell me if I am being too liberal in how little I think the girdle will have to be reduced to allow a decent cut, but I am estimating a loss of weight to at least a 15.63ct diamond for it to look at all attractive. That is only a 14% loss though and I fear the crown will still be too shallow. It may easily require closer to a 20% loss of weight to make it truly special from a cut perspective.

Of course, someone with that amount of money might well appreciate the opportunity to buy a big stone uber cheap and then turn it into something more valuable.

Only one problem of course, at the price asked it is not uber cheap according to RAP. At full Rap that stone should be $359,260. As it weighs now at full rap it should only cost $419,980. Of course, cut like it is it would sell for a HUGE discount from Rap, and Rap really is only designed to cover diamonds up to 5cts, so using RAP to price this diamond is ridiculous.

I tried searching the rap list for available diamonds of this size and found only two with prices listed that were above 15 carats and below 15.95cts. One was a D - VS2 and the other an H - IF. Both of those were well over the million dollar price tag, with the D approaching 2.

So, now, we not only need a recutting expert to tell us what this diamond would really yield, but a large stone pricing expert to tell us what the stone is A, worth now, and B what would it be worth properly cut.

Or we need to just relax and enjoy seeing how poorly a big stone can look when it is cut only to save weight.

Wink

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Holy s**t

That table is big enough to eat dinner on.

 

[Dreamer_D]

That particular seller probably uses ebay mostly for advertising I think, but they have a lot of lower value items too. If you call them you can just buy directly from the store, which is what at least one PSer has done. I have been to their store. Its like a nicer Lang's with more varied selection.

They tend to sell for a big discount off asking, like most estate stores. So if a buyer did their homework re value as Wink suggests, then you could negotiate into the acceptable range. I think you could get 40% to 50% off asking from them in the right situation.

Wink a 20% loss doesn't seem to bad if the price was right. A 15ct rock is still huge! I don't think I have ever seen (pictures of) an RB that big anywhere but the major auction houses!!

 

[Dreamer_D]

When I first saw the picture I thought, Yikes, what a lifeless looking diamond.

So I went to look at the paper.

As Ame has stated just above, it is an atrocious cut. I wanted to approximate what it might take to recut it.

I am not an expert at recuts and the shallow crown dictates that the girdle is going to have to come in quite a bit.

Paul, John or Carl or many other people here can probably tell me if I am being too liberal in how little I think the girdle will have to be reduced to allow a decent cut, but I am estimating a loss of weight to at least a 15.63ct diamond for it to look at all attractive. That is only a 14% loss though and I fear the crown will still be too shallow. It may easily require closer to a 20% loss of weight to make it truly special from a cut perspective.

Of course, someone with that amount of money might well appreciate the opportunity to buy a big stone uber cheap and then turn it into something more valuable.

Only one problem of course, at the price asked it is not uber cheap according to RAP. At full Rap that stone should be $359,260. As it weighs now at full rap it should only cost $419,980. Of course, cut like it is it would sell for a HUGE discount from Rap, and Rap really is only designed to cover diamonds up to 5cts, so using RAP to price this diamond is ridiculous.

I tried searching the rap list for available diamonds of this size and found only two with prices listed that were above 15 carats and below 15.95cts. One was a D - VS2 and the other an H - IF. Both of those were well over the million dollar price tag, with the D approaching 2.

So, now, we not only need a recutting expert to tell us what this diamond would really yield, but a large stone pricing expert to tell us what the stone is A, worth now, and B what would it be worth properly cut.

Or we need to just relax and enjoy seeing how poorly a big stone can look when it is cut only to save weight.

Wink

Wink have you ever seen such a large diamond in person? I know you have had some 6+ ct Infinity diamonds... anything over 10ct in your hot little hands ever?

PS: Thanks for the great information on value cutting etc!

 

[WinkHPD]

Dreamer,

I once held the American Star in my hands and laid it on my hand, much as in the original picture above. It is a 10.42ct D-IF EightStar.

It is Breathtaking!

I have never actually held a diamond as large as the one in this thread. Not a lot of call for them up here in Boise, Idaho.

I did get to hold the Adiel Topaz in my gloved hands. It was a 20,769ct Blue Topaz from Brasil that Richard Homer and I worked on for six years from the time we bought the rough until the time we sold the finished gem to a Japanese collector. It is the most beautifully cut large gem I have ever had the pleasure of seeing. Somewhere I have a video of it. I mainly invested in buying the rough and building a faceting machine large enough to allow Richard to get a good polish on the gem, which due to budgetary constraints and the time it takes to custom make such a machine with the preciseness necessary took four years of our time to complete.

Richard spent another year, evenings, weekends and his entire two week vacation to do the cutting and then it took a year to find a buyer. We still have the machine available to use again, should we ever find the right piece of rough.

Wink

 

[msop04]

In what way can one rock it other than pendant?

I've been looking for something to add just the right touch to the end of my scepter. This would work well.

monarch, you crack me up!

 

[kenny]

I was going to buy it for a tension-set bracelet, but ,

 

[WinkHPD]

Oh, and since we are looking at could have beens, seeing as how the spread is graded as EXCELLENT, if the diamond had enough depth to have been cut correctly, it could weigh in about 20.9cts with a 61% depth and the existing diameter. And it could actually be pretty.

Wink