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ricejapp

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Hi!
Firstly, thanks for all the great help on this site! Two weeks ago i didn''t know anything about diamonds. Now after a LOT of reading I think i''m getting somewhere.

Anyway, to get to the point, I was wondering if anyone could help me out, I''m maybe in a rather unusual buying situation, and like everyone else, trying to get the best stone.

The unusual part is this: I''m outside the US (in Sweden), so I can''t look at any of the stones in person. The local shops here don''t seem to have any good cuts (read:won''t even talk about cut!) and are overpriced, which is why I''m gonna buy online. Secondly, my gf is a little bit fussy about the setting. I have only seen it in one place (at www.jamesallen.com, it''s called an angle solitaire) She likes that it''s thin and a bit cathedral shaped (i.e. gets higher and thinner toward the stone).
So I''ve been looking at jamesallen for a 0.65-0.75 carrat stone. I was originally gonna go for si1 or above, not too fussy about the color, just focus on getting a good cut. Even though they''re more expensive, I though why not get a hearts&diamonds/AGA ideal 0.
Trouble is, jamesallen don''t have too many rings stones of that cut at that size. I think the locistics of buying a stone one place and having it set another would be too complex, so i''d like to get it all done at the same place.

I found one, it''s cut seems to be really great, the idealscope picture is really nice, but it''s si2. I looked at a few si2 stones and this one seems to only have feather inclusions and only toward the girdle, so I''m reckoning it''s gonna be ''eye clean''. My girlfriend hasn''t ever had a diamond ring before, so I don''t think she''ll spot an inclusion unless it''s pretty obvious, and I''m hoping the amount of sparkle the ring will give out will mean it''s even less noticible. The diamond is here, and it''s vital stats are:
0.74 D SI2, 0.9-EX ex-ex-ex-vg, AGS 0 H&A, depth:62.2%, tbl: 53.6%, crn:34.5°, pav:40.6°, gdl:thn-med, cul:no, pol:id, sym:id, flr:neg, measurements: 5.80*5.84*3.62.

This is a rather rambling post, but to sum up my question:

1. Is it fairly safe to assume the inclusion won''t be visible (eye clean) without seeing the stone, or is that a bit naive?

2. Has anyone seen anywhere else that has this setting? I have looked on whiteflash, vatche, good old gold, winfields, even blue nile, and come up with nothing. Obviously it has to be somewhere that will also have a good diamond on stock

Thanks in advance!

Rickard
 
Hi Rickard!

To make you feel better, a lot of us have bought our diamonds unseen from the USA. I was in the UK when we bought my e-ring diamond.

Don''t assume the SI2 is eye clean... it *might* be, but phone James Allen and have them look at it for you. They will be able to tell you at what distance, and from which angles the inclusion is visible... and that is the ONLY way of being sure if it will meet with your expectations.

I''m sure that similar versions of the setting you have shown are available elsewhere. I think I saw one on www.goodoldgold.com yesterday that looked very similar. (It may have been Ingwer, but I might be mistaken).

What sort of colour range are you looking at?

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I would not assume any SI1 or SI2 stones are eyclean. There are many that are, but they need to be evaluated on a case by case basis. Give the vendor a call and ask them to eyeball the stone for you and explain how eyeclean it is.
 
Welcome Rice,

The diamond looks great, ditto Cleo and Honey about checking with JA whether it is eyeclean to your standards, they will be honest with you.
 
Hi Rice,
imo this is actually quite a common setting style. If what you like about it is the shank tapering toward the head, any good vendor should be able to either modify another setting or create one for you.
Just fyi, GOG does not put nearly all their settings online. I would bet if you email them with a pic/noting what you''re after, they would be able to get something v. similiar.

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Hello there,
The stone stats sound lovely, but I would not assume that an SI2 is eye clean. Have you considered going down in color (like f or g) and trying for a better clarity? Just a thought. I think that solitaire style is lovely. It shouldn''t be too awful hard to find one that is similar. I''m sure the PSers around here can help you out there. Good luck with your search!!
 
Just did a search for online vendors... Here are a few for you to look at-


Novori
Engagement Rings direct
Shane co

I don''t have experience with these myself, but I searched each one and it looks like they may have settings that fit your specifications. (engagement rings direct is a site that you can customize your own setting if you wish!)
 
Hi again,
Thanks for all the replies! I don''t think i''ve ever been on a forum where people are quite so helpful!

I just emailed good old gold and asked if they have more settings, and I''ll give james allen a call and ask them to have a look at the diamond. It''s funny, it never crossed my mind that i could just call them up and ask.... maybe too much shopping online has affected my brain!!
 
I totally agree that you could drop the color to up the clarity if you''re worried about it. E and F are still totally colorless, and if you haven''t seen a really well cut diamond, you''d be surpirsed at how white they are. My I shows no tint at all and most people in the near colorless range will say the same thing (GHIJ). Once set in jewelry you can''t see the difference between a D and an F anyway. Lots of people say they can''t even see the difference between D and G. Just a thought. Then you could go with si1 or vs2 for the same price. If the diamond you picked out IS eyeclean though, it looks very nice. Good luck!
 
Hi there - sounds like you''re in great hands with GOG and James Allen. I agree that you can trust what they tell you about eye-cleanness.

Just one further suggestion though -- since it will be a bother to ship anything back, and you were looking at a D, SI clarity, might I suggest looking for something in the F/G range, but staying at VS2 or above? That way, you would not even have to think about the eyecleanness issue and have total mental comfort in the diamond. Also, a D color diamond is wonderful, but the majority of people can''t tell it apart from an F or G when set and you have said you''re not too finicky about color, so if you take the color down a little, and stay in the VS2+ range in an ideal cut stone, you are guaranteed to have a beautiful diamond.

Just a suggestion since it would be a real pain to have to send anything back from Sweden!
 
Definitely call and ask - they will be honest.

I had rec''d the ring I ordered and it was exactly as Warren at JA had stated. I had even asked him to compare two stones I was interested in and was totally surprised when he recommended the less expensive of the two!!
 
Tuckins1, thanks for the links. Novori did indeed have the setting, but their diamond descriptions are not so detailed (no idealscope, no pics etc) so i don''t think i''d use them.

I got an email back from good old gold saying they didn''t have a setting like it, but they''d be happy to mount one of their stones in that setting if i bought it elsewhere.

So looks like james allen it is, assuming this diamond, or one of the others they have, is eye clean (enough). I didn''t call them yet but I''m just about to.

By the way, to clarify my choice of color, the reason i''m looking at a D is because i was really fussy about the cut, so there were only about 4 diamonds to choose from at that carat size. 2 of them Ds, 2 of them Es. All of the IS2s. The other stones seem to have much more visible inclusions (eg black dots right in the middle of the stone), so I wasn''t so keen on them...
 
I completely understand being fussy about cut -- but have you looked at some of their "Ideal" (rather than H&A diamonds)? Some of these are beautifully cut -- I know because I have a pair of earrings in ideal cut and they''re gorgeous.

Take a look at this one for example -- 0.76 ct, G, VVS2. It scores 1.2 on the HCA, and looks to be within GIA and AGS ideal proportions. The magnified photo looks beautiful w/ very nice arrows. VVS2 may be overkill, but you may want to ask about this diamond. JA will give you Idealscope images of diamonds, and if you post them here, the good people of PS will offer their comments.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1177366.asp

PS -- Remember to ask for the Pricescope discount when dealing with James Allen, unless you''ve done so already!
 
The diamond looks good to me but I have a question about the inclusions. Will the cavity affect the structure of the diamond? Sorry if I sound dumb but I don''t know much about inclusions.
 
Hi!
Thanks for the link to that diamond, but i''m afraid it''s a little too expensive ($3500). I budgeted about $3000 for it...

I called up James Allen and they suggested that the stone would be eye clean, they also recommended 2 ideal cuts that they thought would be comparable.
These are:

#1
0.75ct E-SI1 It looks very clean from the photo. It scores 1.5 on the HCA. It''s here
Item Number: 1184920
Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.75
Cut: Ideal
Color: E
Clarity: SI1
Certificate: GIA
Depth: 61.6%
Table: 56.0%
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 5.88*5.85*3.61

or #2
0.80ct E-SI2 which really looks unusually clean for a SI2. It scores 1.7 on the HCA. It''s here
Item Number: 1186298
Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.80
Cut: Ideal
Color: E
Clarity: SI2
Certificate: GIA
Depth: 61.2%
Table: 55.0%
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 6.00*6.02*3.68

I''m a little tempted by the bigger stone, the 0.8 carat one. Looking at the picture of it, the (lack of) inclusions seems too good to be true, so I hope I''m not overlooking something there. I''m getting them to email me the idealscope photo of it, so we''ll see.

What would you recommend?

Also, it seemed like they were only looking at the enlarged photos when I called them up and asked them if the stone would be eye clean or not (cause I heard a few taps and in 2 seconds they were looking at the stone). Should I get them to look at the actual diamond instead or is this ok?

Thanks again for all the help!
 
Either diamond could be good, the bigger diamond could be great if eyeclean to your standards, so you do want them to look at the actual diamond. Post the Idealscopes when you get them, then we can go from there.
 
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