Some reassurance pls....

[jetaime]

Unfortunately, I did not discover this forum until AFTER I committed to buying my ring... I am now very very very concerned about the specs of my ring as I notice that most people would not consider anything below G colour/ H&A diamonds...

Even though it may be bad news, and my husband thinks i am mad for doing this, I would still like the opinion of you folks on the forum of my ring:-

Size: 1.41 carat
Colour: H
Clarity: VS1
Polish/Symmetry: VG/VG
Depth: 61.9%
Table: 58%
Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted
Cutlet: None

The prices of diamonds have been escalating in the past few months that when we saw something within our price range, we just committed ourselves without doing some more research!

All the other rings I viewed before this one were at least G colour and ideal cut. Now I have no idea whether what I bought is a good deal or not... price is ard US$9400 all in.

If the reviews are too Bad, I might just call my jeweller today to ask for a swap. Except that they don''t have anything comparable....URGH!!! I am having sleepless nights over this. Please HELP!!!

 

[jetaime]

why why why is no one posting their comments!!

I have 3 hours before the darn jewellers close for the day!! Pls advise!!!

 

[Maxine]

There aren''t too many people out there at this hour..you really don''t have enough information for anyone to say too much......The HCA can be used to predict a keeper of a stone, but you also need to know crown and pavilion angle to figure it out....without more information, it''s hard to tell....could go either way...sorry...
Did you see the stone? How did it look????

 

[sapphic]

I am new to PS and am in my "research" mode right now, but I can say after spending a bunch of time on old posts that I know the answer you are looking for.

Color: Consideration of anything below G? I personally am considering G-H diamonds as many experienced diamond salesmen say they would not be able to tell the difference between a G and an H or even an I.

Cut: Some experienced diamond vendors would say to choose the "prettiest" diamond for the price and that 90-95% of all people probably would not be able to tell between an H&A cut diamond and a non-H&A Ideal diamond. Personally I think I may just go for a non-H&A ideal cut diamond.

Answer: Ultimately, the answer is that you are having buyer''s remorse and that you and you alone will need to decide whether the stone you got is "mind-clean"(term I picked up on PS). If you can''t sleep at night because of it, then I would say return it, lurk on PS for a month and order something online that is H&A(online because so far I haven''t had much success with the inventory of B&M stores). You will sleep well at night knowing you got the BEST cut...and stretched out in 10 years time, what''s a few more bucks for good sleep? Also remember that the people on PS are the "diamond snobs" and that the majority of people would not be able to tell the difference between a H&A diamond and "frozen spit"(another great term I learned on PS).

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 6/15/2005 3:48:10 AM
Author: Maxine
There aren''t too many people out there at this hour..you really don''t have enough information for anyone to say too much......The HCA can be used to predict a keeper of a stone, but you also need to know crown and pavilion angle to figure it out....without more information, it''s hard to tell....could go either way...sorry...
Did you see the stone? How did it look????

Maxine
she already bought the stone.

 

[jetaime]

Thanks for your post! As you can tell, I''m really quite a novice when it comes to diamonds... How do i find out details abt the crown and pavillion etc? Wld it be on the GIA cert?

I have seen the stone, it was really kind of an impulse buy! I went to see it again today. Not sure whether it is just me feeling insecure, but I felt that it looked a tinge yellow under yellow light. But when i compared it next to a G colour, they both looked the same. ??

Wld you happen to know whether there is a very big price difference between G and H colour diamonds?

Thanks Maxine!

 

[jetaime]

Thanks! Prior to PS, I felt that to the naked eye, there really isn''t much difference between G & H. But having read a few old posts, the general consensus seems to be that G is the min grade for a good diamond. But i''ve just received a quote on a G colour, ideal cut 1.43 carat for 50% more than the H colour which I bought!!

Is it really worth it to pay so much more? Just wondering what you guys/ ladies think?

 

[Maxine]

Do a search at the top of the page for G and H diamonds to compare them......
The crown and pavilion angle aren''t on GIA certs.....a lot of local stores don''t that information...did you discuss cut with the jeweler??? What did he say? Is he someone you know and trust? Is ist possible to have someone else - an appraisor - look at it before it''s totally a final deal??? (could you take it on the provision that it checks out, and be able to bring it back if it doesn''t???) If it looks ok to you, that is what really matters!! You can find out about the going prices by searching above.......

 

[icekid]

you seem really worried about the color, so i thought i would address that

an H diamond is by no stretch a yellow-looking stone! you said yourself that it looked the same to you as a G. there are MANY people here that have very pretty J diamonds actually. there''s an entire thread about Js!

getting an ideal cut stone is said to hide the color of H, I, J stones. however, like was mentioned previously we don''t know much about the cut of your stone as you need crown and pavilion angles. it''s possible that your jeweler may be able to get you them. they are not included on a GIA report. ask the jeweler (or an appraiser?) if you can get a sarin report, and that will give you the pertinent information.

however- 61.9% on the depth is getting to be deep for a round brilliant.

 

[jetaime]

Thanks Icekid...

I will get the C&P angles from the jeweller first thing tomorrow. In the meantime, can I just ask why you say that 61.9% is too "getting to be deep"? I read from the Bluenile website that for an Ideal cut diamond, the range is between 60.1-61.9%? I thought that I was getting at least one thing right with this diamond!?

Am I missing something here??

Diamond shopping will never be the same again after PS...

 

[Sundial]

Jetaime I''m no professional, but personally I wouldn''t worry about a 61.9 depth. My new ering diamond has a depth of 61.8 and it is an ideal cut H & A stone that scored a 1.5 on the HCA (less than 2 is supposed to be desireable). It sparkles like crazy!

 

[jetaime]

Sundial..... Thanks!

I know its silly, but thank you for the encouragement!

They don''t have stuff like HCA or Sarin where I am. All this is really new to me. The main instrument we use to judge a diamond is the H&A Scope, and of course, the GIA cert.

I did see all the hearts and arrows through the H&A Scope, although the definition for 1 or 2 of them looked a little blurry.

The salesperson told me then that it was the light or the angle I was holding the scope. I know better now!! Nevertheless, if I can see all the H&A, except that 1-2 are not so well-defined, does it mean that it is a close to ideal cut?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 6/15/2005 3:57:21 AM
Author: jetaime
Thanks for your post! As you can tell, I''m really quite a novice when it comes to diamonds... How do i find out details abt the crown and pavillion etc? Wld it be on the GIA cert?


I have seen the stone, it was really kind of an impulse buy! I went to see it again today. Not sure whether it is just me feeling insecure, but I felt that it looked a tinge yellow under yellow light. But when i compared it next to a G colour, they both looked the same. ??


Wld you happen to know whether there is a very big price difference between G and H colour diamonds?


Thanks Maxine!

Any diamond will look yellow under yellow light even a D.
Diamonds pick up the color of their surroundings.
As far as the difference between a G and an H most people would have a very hard time telling them apart upside down which is how diamonds are graded much less face up.

I dont see anything in what you posted that screams this is a bad diamond.
How does it look to you?
The only opinion that matters on its looks are yours and you have the advantage because you can see the diamond.
If it were me id move up in cut and down in clarity and stay at the H/I color range.
But if you love the diamond then just be happy and wear it in good health :}
Congrates!

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 6/15/2005 10:56:58 AM
Author: jetaime
Sundial..... Thanks!

I know its silly, but thank you for the encouragement!


They don''t have stuff like HCA or Sarin where I am. All this is really new to me. The main instrument we use to judge a diamond is the H&A Scope, and of course, the GIA cert.


I did see all the hearts and arrows through the H&A Scope, although the definition for 1 or 2 of them looked a little blurry.


The salesperson told me then that it was the light or the angle I was holding the scope. I know better now!! Nevertheless, if I can see all the H&A, except that 1-2 are not so well-defined, does it mean that it is a close to ideal cut?

Complicated question:
near perfect h&a indicates very good optical symetry but it needs to be combined with the proper crown and pavilion angles to make a great diamond.
Everything you have said about this diamond indicates it isnt a Dog.
An ideal-scope or ASET image would tell the rest of the story.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 6/15/2005 3:03:55 AM
Author:jetaime
I am now very very very concerned about the specs of my ring as I notice that most people would not consider anything below G colour/ H&A diamonds...

I don''t know where you get that impression from, but it couldn''t be from here.

It seems that most of the diamonds purchased by posters here run in the H-J range, and a good number of them are not H&A stones. Yes, they are well cut, but no, they aren''t H&A.

Regarding your stone....there''s really not enough information to determine how well you did. The crown/pavilion data isn''t provided (which directly affects make), and you haven''t mention if this diamond came with a grading report.....if so, who was the lab? If it was AGS/HRD/GIA, etc., then H is fine. If it was one of the more lenient labs, that could be why you have the perception of G or higher.

 

[jetaime]

Oooohh.. Am sorry, it is a GIA certified diamond. When I bought it, they also said that it was a canadian rough. It does have a tiny inscription of a maple leave. Does this make any difference?

 

[jetaime]

Thanks everyone for your encouraging responses over the past 2 days!

To continue my post-purchase paranoria story...I asked my jeweller today for the crown and pavillion angle for the stone I bought last weekend.

She was a little defensive about it and started by saying that GIA cert diamonds don''t come with this information - which is true. When I asked whether she could find out for me, she said she could only verify the crown angle but not the pavillion angle through some form of measurement/ calculation.

she also told me that to measure C&P accurately, you would require a special machine which she doesn not have.

Just wanted to check with the reliable sources at PS whether this is true? Must you really have special equipment to measure C&P angle or should all trained gemologists be able do it?

Anyway, after the past few days of obsessive behaviour, I''m glad to say that I have come to terms with my diamond purchase. It may not be the best or the most beautiful diamond, but it is what my sweet wonderful husband busted the bank to give me. It will be beautiful in my eyes!!

I will be getting my new ring on saturday. Hope I can share the pics wth everyone here at PS as i''ve really enjoyed ogling at other people''s beautiful stones!!

Let me know what you think then!!

 

[fire&ice]

From what you provided, I see NO red flags.

 

[Sundial]

Jetaime it is easy to become obsessed with numbers when visiting this site. I discovered pricescope after I had already purchased princess cut diamonds for stud earrings. They also had only GIA certs with insufficient info to really judge the quality of the cut. I finally decided to stop worrying and just trust my own eyes. They may not have perfect specs, but I can see with my own eyes that they are sparkly and beautiful! I''ll bet your new diamond is just gorgeous and we will all look forward to seeing pictures!!!

 

[Mara]

The diamond doesn''t appear to be a dog as storm noted, the numbers are okay from what you gave us, and if you saw some semblance of symmetrical hearts and arrows under the scope, that is a good sign as well. It is true that your jeweler would need a Sarin machine to get the crown and pavilion angles accurately. I wouldn''t even bother with an ''estimate'', it may be far off and make just freak you out unecessarily.

re: the not less than G..definitely not a true PS sample. many people on here have H/I/J stones and love them as well as those who have D/E/F/G. I used to have a G stone, it was super white. Got an H stone. It was super white. Got my husband an E stone. That looked white too! Have I earrings. They are very white on the head, can see tinges of color on paper. Got a J stone. Love it even though from the side you can see a tiny tinge of off-white, not ''yellow''.

As storm noted, put a diamond, even a D, under a yellow light and yes it will look yellow. your H will be just as fine as a G would in my opinion. Cut makes a big difference, it can make a diamond face up a bit whiter...so chances are your cut is very good, maybe not ''ideal'' in some people''s terms (I am SUPER PICKY and like smaller tables and depths!), but I don''t think you did a bad job.

Get it set, and then show us some pictures!! Oh and next time, before any purchase, come here FIRST! Don''t do an impulse buy and then you won''t have to go through all this worry! Enjoy your new ring.

 

[Mara]

found the two old color polls that tell you what PS''ers have, they are in the ''Hangout''. Seems like most people are equally split between G/H/I with a smattering of D/E/F and then J/K/L.

 

[karenleah15]

I totally understand how you feel. My only advise is to look at your diamond and decided if you love it. Who cares what the numbers are if you love the stone? I have a beautiful non-ideal diamond that I choose over an ideal stone. It was just jumping out at me. I looked at both, actually I looked at MANY ideal stones and this one "non-ideal" was the one I wanted. It is just perfect to me. Some may say I am nuts for choosing this stone but who cares? I am the one wearing it and looking at it DAILY! I love it. You just need to decided how you feel about the diamond not how you feel about the numbers.