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[diamond rookie]

First of all this place rocks-okay pun intended there (sorry it was terrible). I am diving into the wonderful world of diamond engagement rings. Found a Jeff Cooper ring that I and she love-done. Now the harder part. Found a GIA certified brilliant round, SI2 that I've seen with a loop-it's a white "flaw" that doesn't bother me (or her-we've done this together) H color 1.01 Ct with the following measurements:
6.41x 6.49 x 3.49

The first is the width right?
The second is the depth right?
What is the 3rd?

When comparing it to other diamonds that 3rd measurment seems small. How will that being small effect the diamond?

It certaily sparkles and looks great but is that a cut feature? Help the rookie if you wouldn't mind.
Thanks!

 

[Decisions]

I believe the 3rd is the depth, first two are the length and width.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/26/2008 11:52:36 AM
Author:diamond rookie
First of all this place rocks-okay pun intended there (sorry it was terrible). I am diving into the wonderful world of diamond engagement rings. Found a Jeff Cooper ring that I and she love-done. Now the harder part. Found a GIA certified brilliant round, SI2 that I've seen with a loop-it's a white 'flaw' that doesn't bother me (or her-we've done this together) H color 1.01 Ct with the following measurements:
6.41x 6.49 x 3.49

The first is the width right?
The second is the depth right?
What is the 3rd?

When comparing it to other diamonds that 3rd measurment seems small. How will that being small effect the diamond?

It certaily sparkles and looks great but is that a cut feature? Help the rookie if you wouldn't mind.
Thanks!

Welcome!

The first two measurements are the width or diameter of the diamond, the third is the depth, so it will be smaller - no worries. If you would like, post the other measurements of the diamond, then we can help you evaluate it, we would need the -

depth %
table%
crown angle
pavilion angle
girdle thickness/ measurement.

But the main thing of course is if you love the diamond! And the cut is so important for a diamond's beauty, so yes, a great cut will make the diamond shine and sparkle.

 

[Allison D.]

The first two measurements are the width. Think of taking a measurement running north-south, and then another measurement running east-west. Those are two measurements of width.

The third measurement is the depth.

 

[mercoledi]

Hi, welcome to Pricescope!

If you'd like us to assess your stone, please post the other info on the GIA cert, including the table %, depth%, and crown and pavilion angles.

Congratulations on your up-coming engagement!


ETA: OK, clearly I'm the slowest typist!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/26/2008 12:00:22 PM
Author: mercoledi
Hi, welcome to Pricescope!

If you''d like us to assess your stone, please post the other info on the GIA cert, including the table %, depth%, and crown and pavilion angles.

Congratulations on your up-coming engagement!


ETA: OK, clearly I''m the slowest typist!

 

[diamond rookie]

Date: 6/26/2008 11:58:46 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 6/26/2008 11:52:36 AM
Author:diamond rookie
First of all this place rocks-okay pun intended there (sorry it was terrible). I am diving into the wonderful world of diamond engagement rings. Found a Jeff Cooper ring that I and she love-done. Now the harder part. Found a GIA certified brilliant round, SI2 that I''ve seen with a loop-it''s a white ''flaw'' that doesn''t bother me (or her-we''ve done this together) H color 1.01 Ct with the following measurements:
6.41x 6.49 x 3.49

The first is the width right?
The second is the depth right?
What is the 3rd?

When comparing it to other diamonds that 3rd measurment seems small. How will that being small effect the diamond?

It certaily sparkles and looks great but is that a cut feature? Help the rookie if you wouldn''t mind.
Thanks!

Welcome!

The first two measurements are the width or diameter of the diamond, the third is the depth, so it will be smaller - no worries. If you would like, post the other measurements of the diamond, then we can help you evaluate it, we would need the -

depth %
table%
crown angle
pavilion angle
girdle thickness/ measurement.

But the main thing of course is if you love the diamond! And the cut is so important for a diamond''s beauty, so yes, a great cut will make the diamond shine and sparkle.

Cool-
that is helpful. I''ve asked my guy for the GIA certification stuff that hopefully has all that info. I should say I do not believe he is taking me for a ride. I just had concerns about that 3rd measurement. So if that is the depth from what I can tell that''s a pretty shallow depth-won''t that mean that is is kinda shallow and light will escape out the bottom? Or do I need to get more info before you can tell me that?

 

[diamond rookie]

Date: 6/26/2008 12:00:22 PM
Author: mercoledi
Hi, welcome to Pricescope!

If you''d like us to assess your stone, please post the other info on the GIA cert, including the table %, depth%, and crown and pavilion angles.

Congratulations on your up-coming engagement!


ETA: OK, clearly I''m the slowest typist!

Thanks-okey-dokey will try to get all the GIA info.

Side note: 6 response in 10 minutes? You guys are great! I like it here.

 

[mercoledi]

It's hard to say without all of the info, light return comes from the combination of angles, and many combinations yield beautiful stones. Usually when stone is too shallow, it also has a larger width/length. We refer to this as spread, or how large the diamond looks for its carat weight.

All that aside, it does seem low compared to this ideal cut stone of the same weight. If you have the GIA number you may be able to look up the cert on the GIA website.

Hope that helps!


ETA: Ok, I'm intrigued! It looks like you're missing half a mm somewhere. It can't be in the girdle, it would still show up in the total depth. Where could it go? Pavilion angles? Storm? Gary?

 

[Lorelei]

I tried to calculate the depth with the numbers given, but I would rather have the depth given on the report to be sure, if you could get that info please? By my calculations it appears to be shallow, but as my maths has been known to be wrong

, I will wait until you provide the figure, unless anyone else tries!

 

[oldminer]

The depth does seem quite shallow for most high performance, or "well cut" diamonds. A depth closer to 3.9mm would be more in the target range. Also, the variation from 6.41 to 6.49 (.08mm) on the diameter is a bit largish, not terrible, but not "perfect". Maybe you made a typo on the depth you gave us. Please check your GIA document to be sure.

 

[diamond rookie]

Date: 6/26/2008 12:18:35 PM
Author: oldminer
The depth does seem quite shallow for most high performance, or ''well cut'' diamonds. A depth closer to 3.9mm would be more in the target range. Also, the variation from 6.41 to 6.49 (.08mm) on the diameter is a bit largish, not terrible, but not ''perfect''. Maybe you made a typo on the depth you gave us. Please check your GIA document to be sure.

I''ve sent a request to my dealer for it-and noted I was a tad concerned with the depth.

 

[Lorelei]

Thanks for the input David! I am making the depth around 54%....

 

[oldminer]

I have a feeling that the GIA report will list the depth at 3.94 rather than 3.49. Putting my crystal ball back into its box now.

 

[diamond rookie]

Date: 6/26/2008 1:16:30 PM
Author: oldminer
I have a feeling that the GIA report will list the depth at 3.94 rather than 3.49. Putting my crystal ball back into its box now.

I hope so. That would be much more in line. Still waiting.

 

[diamond rookie]

Date: 6/26/2008 1:16:30 PM
Author: oldminer
I have a feeling that the GIA report will list the depth at 3.94 rather than 3.49. Putting my crystal ball back into its box now.

You are a smart man

It is 3.94.

Ok here goes:
Date of Issue: October 29, 2007
Round Brilliant
Measurements: 6.41 - 6.49 x 3.94 mm
Carat Weight: 1.01
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI2
Cut Grade: Very Good
Proportions:
Depth: 61.1 %
Table: 58 %
Crown Angle: 34°
Crown Height: 14 %
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43 %
Star length: 50 %
Lower Half: 75 %
Girdle: Very Thin to Slightly Thick, Faceted
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None

How am I looking folks? Peace of mind is a good thing. You all are the experts.
thanks!

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 6/26/2008 1:16:30 PM
Author: oldminer
I have a feeling that the GIA report will list the depth at 3.94 rather than 3.49. Putting my crystal ball back into its box now.

it gotta be 3.94 or else the diameter would be a lot wider than 6.41x 6.49. unless it has a super thick girdle.

 

[mercoledi]

HCA looks good, 1.2 and smack in the middle of AGS and GIA ideal candidates.

I''d say you have a winner!

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 6/26/2008 6:16:46 PM
Author: diamond rookie

Date: 6/26/2008 1:16:30 PM
Author: oldminer
I have a feeling that the GIA report will list the depth at 3.94 rather than 3.49. Putting my crystal ball back into its box now.

You are a smart man

It is 3.94.

Ok here goes:
Date of Issue: October 29, 2007
Round Brilliant
Measurements: 6.41 - 6.49 x 3.94 mm
Carat Weight: 1.01
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI2
Cut Grade: Very Good
Proportions:
Depth: 61.1 %
Table: 58 %
Crown Angle: 34°
Crown Height: 14 %
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43 %
Star length: 50 %
Lower Half: 75 %
Girdle: Very Thin to Slightly Thick, Faceted
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None

How am I looking folks? Peace of mind is a good thing. You all are the experts.
thanks!

is this stone less than $5000?

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I''m by no means an expert but have just been through the all important purchaes process as an amatuer (with the help of the good people on this forum).

My suggestion (other than gettting the advice on the stone from these people more expert than me) is to use the Holloway Cut Advisor....

I found it a very useful tool for determining how diamons would stack up against each other, with a nice pretty graph to let you know where your diamond falls in the cut range of GIA and AGS...... plus it really helped me understand the importance of the pavilion and table angles (and other stopne measurements) in determining the performance of any stone.....

As a novice, it really helped me understand the importance of CUT !!

Mr Holloway writes regularly on this forum (think is sign on name is Cut Nut) and I, for one, think he has developed a fantastic tool that benefits both the experts and novices (like me!)

Diamond joe

 

[diamond rookie]

Date: 6/26/2008 6:29:39 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 6/26/2008 6:16:46 PM
Author: diamond rookie

Date: 6/26/2008 1:16:30 PM
Author: oldminer
I have a feeling that the GIA report will list the depth at 3.94 rather than 3.49. Putting my crystal ball back into its box now.

You are a smart man

It is 3.94.

Ok here goes:
Date of Issue: October 29, 2007
Round Brilliant
Measurements: 6.41 - 6.49 x 3.94 mm
Carat Weight: 1.01
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI2
Cut Grade: Very Good
Proportions:
Depth: 61.1 %
Table: 58 %
Crown Angle: 34°
Crown Height: 14 %
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43 %
Star length: 50 %
Lower Half: 75 %
Girdle: Very Thin to Slightly Thick, Faceted
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None

How am I looking folks? Peace of mind is a good thing. You all are the experts.
thanks!

is this stone less than $5000?

$4300.00

 

[diamond rookie]

Date: 6/26/2008 6:28:54 PM
Author: mercoledi
HCA looks good, 1.2 and smack in the middle of AGS and GIA ideal candidates.

I''d say you have a winner!

Cool!

 

[diamond rookie]

so I did it.*gulp*

Should have it in about a month-I guess Jeff Cooper has to "build" the ring. I must say this whole experience has been really fun. Thanks for your help guys. I think I''ll stick around for a while and lend a novice opinion when I can.