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jyeh74|1341524286|3229107 said:
Here is a recent one I found. HCA gives me 2.4
http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?track=head#diamonds_pid=LD02624545

But the crown angle of 35% is way beyond the recommended of 31.5% to 33%
thoughts?
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31-33crown is much too shallow - definitely not the recommended range.

Numbers on this one are very promising. It ticks all the checkboxes on paper - have it shipped out and take a look! Worst case scenario you're out shipping, if it goes well you've found a great stone right on budget :sun:
 
I guess the only negative are the crystals right in the middle.
I'm trying to get local dealers to call them in since this is NOT exclusive to BN. Problem is, they do not have access for whatever reason. I thought they can just search by GIA # and find location. Maybe because it is outside of the US so they don't see it on ravnet.
 
I can't remember where you are from..NY I think? If thats the case then ID Jewelry can call in any BN stone for you and evaluate it, get you Ideal scope and actual images of the stone, they will also beat BN price, and they have a fantastic reputation around here.
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a crown angle over 35 degrees, as long as the pavilion is shallower. In fact, many people prefer a steeper crown angle over a shallower flatter crown. My own crown angle on my diamond is 36 something, and I love it! Tons of fire!
 
Laila619|1341605115|3229697 said:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a crown angle over 35 degrees, as long as the pavilion is shallower. In fact, many people prefer a steeper crown angle over a shallower, flatter crown. My own crown angle on my diamond is 36 something, and I love it! Tons of fire!
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100% agree! I intentionally shopped for a stone with a steeper CA shallower PA because I was looking for lots of fire. Mine is CA 36 PA 40.5, and it has fantastic colored light return! :sun:
 
Christina...|1341604728|3229691 said:
I can't remember where you are from..NY I think? If thats the case then ID Jewelry can call in any BN stone for you and evaluate it, get you Ideal scope and actual images of the stone, they will also beat BN price, and they have a fantastic reputation around here.
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Christina,

I am in so cal. I tried a couple here but they couldnt find it. One told me not to even look at this stone because the crystal is in the middle. They stated that is why the price is the way it is...because on the inclusions in the middle.
 
jyeh74|1341605487|3229705 said:
Christina...|1341604728|3229691 said:
I can't remember where you are from..NY I think? If thats the case then ID Jewelry can call in any BN stone for you and evaluate it, get you Ideal scope and actual images of the stone, they will also beat BN price, and they have a fantastic reputation around here.
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Christina,

I am in so cal. I tried a couple here but they couldnt find it. One told me not to even look at this stone because the crystal is in the middle. They stated that is why the price is the way it is...because on the inclusions in the middle.
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Maybe someone else could chime in, but I'm not sure how they could make that assumption based on the plot diagram alone. I've seen plots that looked horrible and the stone was 'eye clean' and plots that looked clean but the stone had a black inclusion in the middle of the table. I'm betting that these particular vendors want to sell you one of their stones and are trying to discourage you from purchasing a diamond that they can't source for you.

I can't think of a vendor local to you that may be able to call it in, but I'm sure someone here can. 23rd Street? Wanna buy a watch?
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but cant any vendor call in the stone, as long as they have the GIA number, they should be able to find it? As long as it is not exclusive inventory of BN, which BN has told me it is not.
 
Christina,

One vendor scoured everywhere and located it in India. He told me that if they wire, I better be 100% sure I want it. It gets complex because of shipping and wiring so I need to be 100% sure. If it were in the US, then it would be no problem.

Sounds strange as there is no viewing period, as it is out of country. Maybe he has not done this before. I cannot imagine any customer committing to something of this size just because it is out of country.

Also, he told me it is listed for $33k, which means BN marked it up 12%. Most stones of 2.5 ct size are around $36-42k. So it tells me something may be wrong with this one. It was recently graded in May of 2012.
 
Another comment was that SI1 will be hard to buy back as no one wants it. Go for VS2. And go to a G color instead...but that is a jump for me.
 
OK, since it is out of country, there is no refund. I have to wire the $ and there is no return coming from India.

Is this normal? Too much risk it sounds like.
 
Sorry I missed your post. I wouldn't do this deal, it too big of a risk site unseen and with no recourse. I personally haven't heard of a vendor offering no return or exchange policy, obviously some are better than others, but without even having the ability to exchange the stone......no way! Have you tried contacting James Allen with the report number and location of the diamond? They may be able to help you and they offer 60 day returns. Just a thought.

I don't think it will be difficult to sell the diamond in the future because of it's SI grading, especially if it's an eye clean SI. SI's allow many people the needed value to go up in size or color so I wouldn't worry too much about that. However, I've heard other vendors make similar recommendations...if your purchasing a colorless diamond than they recommend that you also stay VS or better, near colorless for VS and lower. Another jeweler told me my asscher would be a tough sell because it was a I VVS1. I think the assumption is that if someone were to purchase a colorless diamond then they would want the added quality of VS or better, maybe even more specifically in the VVS range. I'm really not sure what the reasoning is, maybe someone else can chime in, but I wouldn't worry to much about it, I've never seen these same recommendations on PS. I will agree with him though that if you allow yourself to consider G color then you will open yourself up to many more options....but we've been around with this before and you know what your looking for and I'm still sure that we can find it with some patients. =)
 
Yeah, I haven't heard of this policy before. It is a local jeweler- Brax Jewlry in Newport Beach, CA. She called her the vendor and discovered that the stone is located in India. The vendor told her to get it, I would have to wire them the money and be certain of it. Sounds shady. But BlueNile obviously gets the same stone from the same vendor and they have return policy, so I don't know what the deal is. I just want to deal with local establishment, as its easier to local customer service.
 
Just found this....
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI1-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1389115.asp HCA 1.1

and this one
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI1-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1466824.asp HCA 1.4 flour is listed as faint, which will have absolutely zero impact on the stone.

and lastly this one,


http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-SI1-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1470669.asp HCA 1.3 again faint flour, but again should have zero impact of course the gemologist can confirm. The numbers on this one are sweet, so if it is eye clean it would be my choice. And it's an icy white D to boot! =)
 
Are you still considering using WF or GOG? I thought I just saw a post about two possible contenders and that you wanted an opinion about whether or not the HCA and AGA is outdated, but it disappeared. :lol:

Anyway, I think that both vendors are trustworthy and if their gemologist evaluate the stone and report that it's a beauty, then I think that you can trust their assessment. However, if you are one of the many that are shopping blind online then I think the HCA and AGA are still totally relevant as weeding tools. They enable you to create a short list and obtain more information on the stone such as magnified images and idealscope images.

The stone located in India....are you able to get the vendor to send you an Idealscope? I still think it's too risky and would be willing to pay the extra 12% to BN for the added security of the return policy.
 
Vendor isnt willing to send idealscope. Yeah, doesn't sound right.

I'm trying to stay within the $35-38k range ideally. I thought that one checked out right on the HCA and was well priced at $37k. But probably a reason why, as most I have seen that size and color and clarity are much higher.
 
I'll do another search for you tonight or in the morning, maybe some new inventory has opened up. If you can get passed the flour. I'd totally take a look at the 2.51 that JA has. You could have it evaluated anyway and have images sent to you, at least you'd have some information and something to compare others to.
 
jyeh74|1341887186|3231346 said:
Vendor isnt willing to send idealscope. Yeah, doesn't sound right.

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Run, Forrest, run.
 
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