Sizing from a 7 to a 4?

[Independent Gal]

With stones across the top? Would you EVER do this? It sounds risky to me, but the shop lady says she thinks it''s fine. Thing is, if I just get them to size the ring they have in shop, (talking about the Roberto Coin 7 stone here) I can have it in about a week. Otherwise, 10-12 weeks.

Thoughts?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Ask her where her new job is?

 

[Independent Gal]

That''s what I thought. Thanks Garry.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/6/2008 8:13:02 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Ask her where her new job is?

LOl.
Independent, I am no expert but from my experience most advise 1-2 sizes at most..sounds bit risky maybe?

 

[Odilia]

I too was wondering about this, because if I have to give up on my Fingermate shank, then my size 5 ring will need to be resized to a 6.5. I have a center round flanked by 2 rounds on each side. Can it be sized up to a 6.5? What are the pitfalls?

 

[jewelerman]

order in your correct size.Where do some of these sales people come from?

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/6/2008 11:58:38 AM
Author: old-fashioned girl
I too was wondering about this, because if I have to give up on my Fingermate shank, then my size 5 ring will need to be resized to a 6.5. I have a center round flanked by 2 rounds on each side. Can it be sized up to a 6.5? What are the pitfalls?

jewelerman, what about my question - Can my size 5 ring be changed to size 6.5 without hurting the ring?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 5/6/2008 2:30:21 PM
Author: old-fashioned girl

Date: 5/6/2008 11:58:38 AM
Author: old-fashioned girl
I too was wondering about this, because if I have to give up on my Fingermate shank, then my size 5 ring will need to be resized to a 6.5. I have a center round flanked by 2 rounds on each side. Can it be sized up to a 6.5? What are the pitfalls?

jewelerman, what about my question - Can my size 5 ring be changed to size 6.5 without hurting the ring?

We need a picture to answer that.
side view of the setting is best.

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/6/2008 2:49:04 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 5/6/2008 2:30:21 PM
Author: old-fashioned girl

Date: 5/6/2008 11:58:38 AM
Author: old-fashioned girl
I too was wondering about this, because if I have to give up on my Fingermate shank, then my size 5 ring will need to be resized to a 6.5. I have a center round flanked by 2 rounds on each side. Can it be sized up to a 6.5? What are the pitfalls?

jewelerman, what about my question - Can my size 5 ring be changed to size 6.5 without hurting the ring?

We need a picture to answer that.
side view of the setting is best.

Here is a side view. It is not as oval anymore, but if it continues to give me problems, I may have to go with a solid shank, which would have to be 6.5 to get over my knuckle.

 

[Odilia]

Here is a more current picture:

 

[strmrdr]

well I see why you popped a stone out.
My opinion and may not be fact...
The U shaped channels should not have been used, the stress of opening and closing the ring sprung them open allowing the stone to fall out.
The stress of the opening and closing is right on them.

A good benchman might be able to put a solid shank on it and fix it up.

 

[strmrdr]

The weakest part of the whole ring to resist the torque of opening and closing it is at point A.
If it bends the stone comes lose and out it pops.
again my opinion

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/6/2008 3:10:11 PM
Author: strmrdr
well I see why you popped a stone out.
My opinion and may not be fact...
The U shaped channels should not have been used, the stress of opening and closing the ring sprung them open allowing the stone to fall out.
The stress of the opening and closing is right on them.

A good benchman might be able to put a solid shank on it and fix it up.

Thanks. I wish I''d known all this before going this route. So you are saying it shouldn''t be a problem, sizing it up to 6.5 from its current size 5?

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/6/2008 3:15:22 PM
Author: strmrdr
The weakest part of the whole ring to resist the torque of opening and closing it is at point A.
If it bends the stone comes lose and out it pops.

If he filled in the holes under the diamonds, the ones that are usually used for cleaning, do you think this would strengthen the shank enough to help? That was one suggestion, but I don't want to mess up this ring any more than it already has been for a hinged-shank that may not be doable anyway. No one warned me of all these dangers of the hinged shank. Would other brands of hinged-shanks be any better, as far as these stresses and all?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 5/6/2008 3:18:44 PM
Author: old-fashioned girl

Date: 5/6/2008 3:15:22 PM
Author: strmrdr
The weakest part of the whole ring to resist the torque of opening and closing it is at point A.
If it bends the stone comes lose and out it pops.

If he filled in the holes under the diamonds, the ones that are usually used for cleaning, do you think this would strengthen the shank enough to help? That was one suggestion, but I don''t want to mess up this ring any more than it already has been for a hinged-shank that may not be doable anyway. No one warned me of all these dangers of the hinged shank. Would other brands of hinged-shanks be any better, as far as these stresses and all?

hinged shanks properly done can last a long time, whoever made the ring should have known enough to take the torque into account.
You cant throw a hinged shank on any just any ring and expect it to hold up.
Was this a new setting or a modification of one you had?

I dont see where soldering the hole is going to help.
The stress isnt side to side but up and down.
A cross brace accross the U would be the only thing I see that would help.
That would look pretty nasty....
Again just my opinion.....

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/6/2008 3:27:43 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 5/6/2008 3:18:44 PM
Author: old-fashioned girl

Date: 5/6/2008 3:15:22 PM
Author: strmrdr
The weakest part of the whole ring to resist the torque of opening and closing it is at point A.
If it bends the stone comes lose and out it pops.

If he filled in the holes under the diamonds, the ones that are usually used for cleaning, do you think this would strengthen the shank enough to help? That was one suggestion, but I don't want to mess up this ring any more than it already has been for a hinged-shank that may not be doable anyway. No one warned me of all these dangers of the hinged shank. Would other brands of hinged-shanks be any better, as far as these stresses and all?

hinged shanks properly done can last a long time, whoever made the ring should have known enough to take the torque into account.
You cant throw a hinged shank on any just any ring and expect it to hold up.
Was this a new setting or a modification of one you had?

I dont see where soldering the hole is going to help.
The stress isnt side to side but up and down.
A cross brace accross the U would be the only thing I see that would help.
That would look pretty nasty....
Again just my opinion.....

This is a brand new setting, designed with the hinged shank from the get-go. I asked 2 years ago, "can the hinged shank be made to match any ring?" and was told, yes. (which wasn't true, even from the standpoint of curvature of the shank) I also asked, in Sep. 2006, this same jeweler, about making a ring like the one pictured below, (which my design was based on), with the 3-sided pave, and he loved the idea because he could sort of "hide" the hinge in the shank. Now, he did say in January of this year that he couldn't do that, because he needed metal around the hinge, and that did set off a little red flag in my mind, because I wondered why he didn't tell me that 2 years ago. But anyway, my whole decision - what design, whether to go custom or not , how I was going to wear this ring - ALL was based on whether or not the hinged shank could work. Since he said it was fine, I figured he knew what he's talking about, as he has used FM shanks on lots of rings. If I had known that the hinged shank couldn't work on a U-prong style, that would have changed so many of my decisions. That's why I asked about hinged shanks long before I even settled on what to do with my diamond. Also, when I first started this ring, in January, he wanted to use 3 stones per side, and larger ones than I have, and that's why I got stressed out in February, when he realized he didn't have room for 3 - I thought, why didn't he know this last month? or 2 years ago?

Date: 5/6/2008 3:27:43 PM
Author: strmrdr

A cross brace accross the U would be the only thing I see that would help.
That would look pretty nasty....

I agree; the whole idea was to see the sides of the diamonds; they are already more covered than I wanted. It sounds like a solid shank is the best bet?

 

[strmrdr]

strange that they would offer it that way....
bet they get a lot of retuens for that design....
Yea a fixed shank would help with that setting or a new setting different design anda different brand...
is it plat or white gold?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

OFG, I seriously would be asking for my money back.

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/6/2008 3:58:42 PM
Author: strmrdr
strange that they would offer it that way....
bet they get a lot of retuens for that design....
Yea a fixed shank would help with that setting or a new setting different design anda different brand...
is it plat or white gold?

It was custom-made, for my design. I had NO IDEA that the hinged shank would be a problem with this design. I expected the jeweler to warn me of any pitfalls ahead of time. So as for returns, his policy is "no refund" for custom work. And I'm the only idiot that ordered a design like this with a hinged shank. When we went in to try to get the refund, he said,"now that i see how you wear this ring,..." like that was why the thing deformed. How did he think I was going to wear it, on a chain around my neck?! I always said I would wear it on the right hand; my left hand doesn't have a huge knuckle. Then he looked at my knuckle and said, "you don't need a hinged shank," and that I should just have a solid shank. aarrgghh! The time to tell me that was 2 years ago, not after the agony of this process and these problems, and all the expense & design changes. It is in platinum, which again, if it's going to be a solid shank, that makes it a RHR only, in which case I would have just gone w/ WG. I would never have paid for platinum had I known all this. But they wanted no parts of giving a refund. I always hesitated to go with them, because they have the most unforgiving return policy of the options I considered, but the PRIMARY reason I went with them is because of the hinged shank. I feel like such an idiot. A huge case of buyer's remorse... This was my one chance to get my engagement diamond into a pretty setting, and I blew it.

 

[Odilia]

Date: 5/6/2008 4:04:15 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
OFG, I seriously would be asking for my money back.

Thanks, DS. We did, as I said above, and maybe it was my husband''s approach, but they were adamant. This thing has caused me so much stress. Even if everything could work out with this ring, it will always bring back such bad memories, I don''t know that I will ever like it again. But alas, it was my stupid fault for going with a custom jeweler who doesn''t have a return or remake policy.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 5/6/2008 4:16:57 PM
Author: old-fashioned girl

Date: 5/6/2008 4:04:15 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
OFG, I seriously would be asking for my money back.

Thanks, DS. We did, as I said above, and maybe it was my husband''s approach, but they were adamant. This thing has caused me so much stress. Even if everything could work out with this ring, it will always bring back such bad memories, I don''t know that I will ever like it again. But alas, it was my stupid fault for going with a custom jeweler who doesn''t have a return or remake policy.

I am soooo sorry. I hope if they redo the shank, you''ll be much happier with it. It is a beautiful design and perhaps without the hinged shank, you''ll have no more problems.

 

[strmrdr]

It is not your fault so don''t be hard on yourself.
You relied on the jeweler to do right by you and it didn''t work out that way.
That happens to everyone at some point with some item.
Mine was a car stereo which prompted me to learn everything about them and eventually do custom competition level designs and installs.

 

[Odilia]

Thanks, DS & Storm. It helps to hear that, because I really do feel like such an idiot. (Plus this is such an expensive mistake.) Two years of trying to figure out the best way to go, and I end up with this. It has really soured me on this whole diamond/jewelry thing. And totally undermined my trust in what jewelers tell me. Because this was the 3rd attempt to set my diamond in something nice. I hated my first setting, but luckily that jeweler did give a refund. Couldn't find what I wanted when engaged, so I thought, just put it in a solitaire for now. Wanted the diamond to sit low, and got the ugliest, highest prongs known to man. 5 years in that, and now it's in a ring with a missing diamond with dark spots on the side stones, and a shank that (if I go w/ solid) won't ever fit me right, and definitely not on the left hand, and all that for more money than a lot of nicer rings. It really is frustrating. So it's good to hear both of your encouragement, and nice to hear a compliment on the design.

p.s. to Independent Gal - sorry for the total threadjack, although I should say, thanks !