Size vs clarity

[Metmark1]

Hi all,
I'm buying an engagement ring to propose soon

I've narrowed down to 2 diamonds to choose from.
Both are ideal cut and h color (Gia cert), one is 1.31ct and vs2 clarity and the other is 1.24ct and IF clarity. Which do you think would make a more beautiful ring? (Both are similar price).

Thanks!!

 

[Gypsy]

Clarity is such a minor consideration.

I would not EVER pay for an IF clarity stone in a round brilliant.

No way. Waste of money. Assuming they are ideal cut and the VS2 is eyeclean. VS2 all the way.

 

[krisjon]

Clarity has no real effect on a diamond's beauty or light performance unless the inclusions are very large and visible, which is far from the case here. Do the cut qualities truly compare, because you usually don't see IF for near the same cost and size without a hiccup somewhere else. Can you post the GIA reports or proportion numbers?

 

[Metmark1]

Thanks so much for your feedback.
The information I have, on the IF and VS2 respectively are:
Depth %: 62.5 & 61.2
Table %: 56 & 58
Girdle: both medium slightly thick
Measurements: 6.84x6.89x4.29 & 7.04x7.06x4.31
Fluorescence: both medium

 

[Gypsy]

Thanks so much for your feedback.
The information I have, on the IF and VS2 respectively are:
Depth %: 62.5 & 61.2
Table %: 56 & 58
Girdle: both medium slightly thick
Measurements: 6.84x6.89x4.29 & 7.04x7.06x4.31
Fluorescence: both medium

Okay.

So you don't know what an ideal cut is.

If that's what you are listing. You need help my friend.

 

[Gypsy]

Okay.

So you aren't ready to buy.

At all.

Start here. Please read my posts in this thread. Read the links I post. [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ideal-table-and-depth-percentage.198163/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ideal-table-and-depth-percentage.198163/[/URL]

 

[Metmark1]

Really? That's a worry, so the dealer is misrepresenting?
What would be an ideal cut?

 

[Gypsy]

Really? That's a worry, so the dealer is misrepresenting?
What would be an ideal cut?

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ideal-table-and-depth-percentage.198163/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ideal-table-and-depth-percentage.198163/[/URL] Please read this thread.

I don't know if the dealer is misrepresenting.

GIA does not have "IDEAL" cuts. They have Excellent. Which have to be evaluated on a case by case basis because GIA Excellent is too broad a catagory and has stone that do not have ideal light performance. Ideal light performance is dependent on the angles. Which you did not post. Crown and Pavillion Angles. A GIA Ex with the correct angle combinations can have ideal light performance. But the dealer would need an idealscope image to make that claim.

So you need to post the information for the angles and we could tell you if they are worth exploring or not. And you would have to ask for an idealscope image to follow up on that.

That said, AGS has "IDEAL" cuts. They are called AGS 0. But you did say these are GIA stones.

 

[Metmark1]

Ok yes thanks I'll read through the posts.
They are excellent rated by Gia and then some are classified by the dealer as ideal (top 1% cut they say)
The full details of the IF are
Depth 62.5
Table 56
Crown angle 36.0
Crown height 16.0
Pavilion angle 41
Pavilion depth 43.0
Star length 50%
Lower half 75%
Girdle 3.5%
Cutlet none

I don't have the full Gia report for the vs1, but could probably get it. I guess this gives an example of what they classify as ideal.

 

[Gypsy]

Ok yes thanks I'll read through the posts.
They are excellent rated by Gia and then some are classified by the dealer as ideal (top 1% cut they say)
The full details of the IF are
Depth 62.5
Table 56
Crown angle 36.0
Crown height 16.0
Pavilion angle 41
Pavilion depth 43.0
Star length 50%
Lower half 75%
Girdle 3.5%
Cutlet none

I don't have the full Gia report for the vs1, but could probably get it. I guess this gives an example of what they classify as ideal.

That one is not ideal. 36/41 angle combo and the depth are a problem. I can tell you that flat out. It's what we call a steep deep.

JA has an "ideal" catagory too. Their is too wide as well. It's not a LIE. IT's just based on their charactersitics. Which are broader than what will produce ideal light return.

And you need an idealscope image to really claim that a GIA Ex is ideal. And what produces the 'ideal' idealscope is the combination of angles. If the combination is not right you won't get the light return. You'll get leakage. Leakage is light that's lost. And when you paying for an 'IDEAL' diamond. You really need to make sure it is truly ideal in performance. Which is why we say you need to work with a vendor that can provide an idealscope image of the diamonds. Cause that's the true test of performance.

OR you can just get an AGS0. And skip GIA Ex.

 

[dizzywiggy]

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[dizzywiggy]

Becase I don't get it

 

[c-k]

Becase I don't get it

An AGSL Ideal cut diamond is top of the line, many GIA diamonds that are graded Excellent cut would never make the AGSL Ideal cut grade...that is why if you are buying any diamond you need to know more than what most vendors tell you and have that information to know if that vendors diamond they are calling an Ideal, is or is not.

Diamond cut is the most important consideration in buying a diamond.