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If you have not seen and listened to this performance, it is amazing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY
I agree about the element of surprise contributing to the phenomenon ... but I disagree about the legitimacy of their reactions to her or that she is merely a "good" singer. There was a full, rich tone & quality to her voice that is the stuff of great opera stars & the very best stage musical singers. I think its remarkable to have that quality without years & years of training.Date: 4/13/2009 10:23:55 PM
Author: musey
I''m not saying she''s not a good singer, she is. But she is by no stretch of the imagination a great singer - certainly enough to incite that strong a reaction.
I think by now they can possibly guess the formula, but they don''t know for sure until the person opens his/her mouth. This does remind me of the opera singer guy who ended up winning. I think his voice (judging by his initial performance) seemed a little better than hers, but I agree that she has the stuff to make a pretty darned good singer with training. Her voice and control is impressive (to my untrained ear) for a total amateur.Date: 4/13/2009 10:30:49 PM
Author: decodelighted
I agree about the element of surprise contributing to the phenomenon ... but I disagree about the legitimacy of their reactions to her or that she is merely a ''good'' singer. There was a full, rich tone & quality to her voice that is the stuff of great opera stars & the very best stage musical singers. I think its remarkable to have that quality without years & years of training.Date: 4/13/2009 10:23:55 PM
Author: musey
I''m not saying she''s not a good singer, she is. But she is by no stretch of the imagination a great singer - certainly enough to incite that strong a reaction.
Re: the judges. I don''t think they get clued in ... kinda like how Oprah doesn''t watch the packages on her show before the audience does, so she can react to them on air. The chick judge totally had tears in her eyes. I say legit. But that''s JMHO.
I know I'm a tougher critic than most because of my own experience and training, but I have known many singers personally that are leaps and bounds higher quality than this woman (better pitch and breath control, larger range, superior tone, etc.) - some of them trained, some of them not. This type of show is the best kind of venue for a singer of her level, as she is judged and pushed through by viewers, not industry professionals.Date: 4/13/2009 10:30:49 PM
Author: decodelighted
I agree about the element of surprise contributing to the phenomenon ... but I disagree about the legitimacy of their reactions to her or that she is merely a 'good' singer. There was a full, rich tone & quality to her voice that is the stuff of great opera stars & the very best stage musical singers. I think its remarkable to have that quality without years & years of training.Date: 4/13/2009 10:23:55 PM
Author: musey
I'm not saying she's not a good singer, she is. But she is by no stretch of the imagination a great singer - certainly enough to incite that strong a reaction.
I can't speak for this show as I don't know their process, but if it's anything like American idol, they know exactly what to expect before the contestant even walks out to sing.Re: the judges. I don't think they get clued in ... kinda like how Oprah doesn't watch the packages on her show before the audience does, so she can react to them on air. The chick judge totally had tears in her eyes. I say legit. But that's JMHO.
I think so too, but I still don''t think good = great. There are so many great singers in this world that don''t even get through round 1 of those types of auditions. It''s just hard for me to watch someone like that and guess with a fair amount of certainty that she will have a record deal by this time next year, while all the great singers of the world get ignored because they don''t have something otherwise notable about them. The music industry is a different monster than it was 50-100 years ago...Date: 4/13/2009 10:39:36 PM
Author: TravelingGal
I think by now they can possibly guess the formula, but they don''t know for sure until the person opens his/her mouth. This does remind me of the opera singer guy who ended up winning. I think his voice (judging by his initial performance) seemed a little better than hers, but I agree that she has the stuff to make a pretty darned good singer with training. Her voice and control is impressive (to my untrained ear) for a total amateur.Date: 4/13/2009 10:30:49 PM
Author: decodelighted
I agree about the element of surprise contributing to the phenomenon ... but I disagree about the legitimacy of their reactions to her or that she is merely a ''good'' singer. There was a full, rich tone & quality to her voice that is the stuff of great opera stars & the very best stage musical singers. I think its remarkable to have that quality without years & years of training.Date: 4/13/2009 10:23:55 PM
Author: musey
I''m not saying she''s not a good singer, she is. But she is by no stretch of the imagination a great singer - certainly enough to incite that strong a reaction.
Re: the judges. I don''t think they get clued in ... kinda like how Oprah doesn''t watch the packages on her show before the audience does, so she can react to them on air. The chick judge totally had tears in her eyes. I say legit. But that''s JMHO.
Well, I''m all for it especially since you usually have to be *hot* to get a record deal. Most wants to sell sexiness and there are plenty attractive women/men who can''t really sing who have deals. So if she can make it by being notably frumpy and surprising, I say woot woot!Date: 4/13/2009 10:52:31 PM
Author: musey
I think so too, but I still don''t think good = great. There are so many great singers in this world that don''t even get through round 1 of those types of auditions. It''s just hard for me to watch someone like that and guess with a fair amount of certainty that she will have a record deal by this time next year, while all the great singers of the world get ignored because they don''t have something otherwise notable about them. The music industry is a different monster than it was 50-100 years ago...Date: 4/13/2009 10:39:36 PM
Author: TravelingGal
I think by now they can possibly guess the formula, but they don''t know for sure until the person opens his/her mouth. This does remind me of the opera singer guy who ended up winning. I think his voice (judging by his initial performance) seemed a little better than hers, but I agree that she has the stuff to make a pretty darned good singer with training. Her voice and control is impressive (to my untrained ear) for a total amateur.Date: 4/13/2009 10:30:49 PM
Author: decodelighted
I agree about the element of surprise contributing to the phenomenon ... but I disagree about the legitimacy of their reactions to her or that she is merely a ''good'' singer. There was a full, rich tone & quality to her voice that is the stuff of great opera stars & the very best stage musical singers. I think its remarkable to have that quality without years & years of training.Date: 4/13/2009 10:23:55 PM
Author: musey
I''m not saying she''s not a good singer, she is. But she is by no stretch of the imagination a great singer - certainly enough to incite that strong a reaction.
Re: the judges. I don''t think they get clued in ... kinda like how Oprah doesn''t watch the packages on her show before the audience does, so she can react to them on air. The chick judge totally had tears in her eyes. I say legit. But that''s JMHO.
But then, it''s all a moot point - if she can sell records, she can sell records. Whether its based on the merit of her voice or not doesn''t really matter, especially not to record companies.
Date: 4/13/2009 10:23:55 PM
Author: musey
I'm not saying she's not a good singer, she is. But she is by no stretch of the imagination a great singer - certainly enough to incite that strong a reaction.
I was going to quote your post, but apparently you deleted it as I hit quote. Good for you for deleting it, because you are right, it was a completely pointless post.Date: 4/14/2009 12:51:46 AM
Author: fleur.de.lys.88
Date: 4/13/2009 10:23:55 PM
Author: musey
I''m not saying she''s not a good singer, she is. But she is by no stretch of the imagination a great singer - certainly enough to incite that strong a reaction.
Deleted. I was going to say something else but it''s pointless.
to Susan Boyle. What a phenomenal performance. She should be extremely proud. The way she sang it was far better than I''ve ever heard, live or recorded.
LOL....Date: 4/14/2009 1:03:23 AM
Author: fleur.de.lys.88
No, I''ve read quite a few of his and you, bar far, are the reigning queen. His are at least interesting and somewhat thought provoking. But hey, I guess you don''t get almost 9000 posts by being interesting and insightful.
fdl, girl (?), chill out. Might want to read those forum policies about personal attacks.Date: 4/14/2009 1:14:39 AM
Author: fleur.de.lys.88
LOL is right! I guess because I signed up yesterday it''s the first day I found this site? And apparently the first day I''ve read it too? Interesting concept. Hmm!
Now I see why you have the avatar you do, banging one''s head against the wall would be far more interesting than carrying on a ''conversation'' with you.
Nighty night.
Touche! I take zero issue with that.Date: 4/14/2009 12:15:18 AM
Author: TravelingGal
Well, I''m all for it especially since you usually have to be *hot* to get a record deal. Most wants to sell sexiness and there are plenty attractive women/men who can''t really sing who have deals. So if she can make it by being notably frumpy and surprising, I say woot woot!Date: 4/13/2009 10:52:31 PM
Author: musey
I think so too, but I still don''t think good = great. There are so many great singers in this world that don''t even get through round 1 of those types of auditions. It''s just hard for me to watch someone like that and guess with a fair amount of certainty that she will have a record deal by this time next year, while all the great singers of the world get ignored because they don''t have something otherwise notable about them. The music industry is a different monster than it was 50-100 years ago...Date: 4/13/2009 10:39:36 PM
Author: TravelingGal
I think by now they can possibly guess the formula, but they don''t know for sure until the person opens his/her mouth. This does remind me of the opera singer guy who ended up winning. I think his voice (judging by his initial performance) seemed a little better than hers, but I agree that she has the stuff to make a pretty darned good singer with training. Her voice and control is impressive (to my untrained ear) for a total amateur.Date: 4/13/2009 10:30:49 PM
Author: decodelighted
I agree about the element of surprise contributing to the phenomenon ... but I disagree about the legitimacy of their reactions to her or that she is merely a ''good'' singer. There was a full, rich tone & quality to her voice that is the stuff of great opera stars & the very best stage musical singers. I think its remarkable to have that quality without years & years of training.Date: 4/13/2009 10:23:55 PM
Author: musey
I''m not saying she''s not a good singer, she is. But she is by no stretch of the imagination a great singer - certainly enough to incite that strong a reaction.
Re: the judges. I don''t think they get clued in ... kinda like how Oprah doesn''t watch the packages on her show before the audience does, so she can react to them on air. The chick judge totally had tears in her eyes. I say legit. But that''s JMHO.
But then, it''s all a moot point - if she can sell records, she can sell records. Whether its based on the merit of her voice or not doesn''t really matter, especially not to record companies.
I didn''t think she was amazing either. To me, she didn''t have the nuanced control that "great" singers have. But for an amateur, she was pretty impressive and those "nuances" usually don''t come without a lot of training.Date: 4/14/2009 1:24:32 AM
Author: musey
Touche! I take zero issue with that.Date: 4/14/2009 12:15:18 AM
Author: TravelingGal
Well, I''m all for it especially since you usually have to be *hot* to get a record deal. Most wants to sell sexiness and there are plenty attractive women/men who can''t really sing who have deals. So if she can make it by being notably frumpy and surprising, I say woot woot!Date: 4/13/2009 10:52:31 PM
Author: musey
I think so too, but I still don''t think good = great. There are so many great singers in this world that don''t even get through round 1 of those types of auditions. It''s just hard for me to watch someone like that and guess with a fair amount of certainty that she will have a record deal by this time next year, while all the great singers of the world get ignored because they don''t have something otherwise notable about them. The music industry is a different monster than it was 50-100 years ago...Date: 4/13/2009 10:39:36 PM
Author: TravelingGal
I think by now they can possibly guess the formula, but they don''t know for sure until the person opens his/her mouth. This does remind me of the opera singer guy who ended up winning. I think his voice (judging by his initial performance) seemed a little better than hers, but I agree that she has the stuff to make a pretty darned good singer with training. Her voice and control is impressive (to my untrained ear) for a total amateur.Date: 4/13/2009 10:30:49 PM
Author: decodelighted
I agree about the element of surprise contributing to the phenomenon ... but I disagree about the legitimacy of their reactions to her or that she is merely a ''good'' singer. There was a full, rich tone & quality to her voice that is the stuff of great opera stars & the very best stage musical singers. I think its remarkable to have that quality without years & years of training.Date: 4/13/2009 10:23:55 PM
Author: musey
I''m not saying she''s not a good singer, she is. But she is by no stretch of the imagination a great singer - certainly enough to incite that strong a reaction.
Re: the judges. I don''t think they get clued in ... kinda like how Oprah doesn''t watch the packages on her show before the audience does, so she can react to them on air. The chick judge totally had tears in her eyes. I say legit. But that''s JMHO.
But then, it''s all a moot point - if she can sell records, she can sell records. Whether its based on the merit of her voice or not doesn''t really matter, especially not to record companies.
She''s certainly better than many recording artists out there, I guess the only thing I was taking issue with (if you can call it that, really I was just a bit amused) was the overwhelming ''she''s amazing'' reaction. She''s not, to my ear, for many different reasons... but that''s of course subjective and dependent on one''s own taste and experience
Of course my interest was piqued by this, as usualDate: 4/14/2009 12:51:46 AM
Author: fleur.de.lys.88
Deleted. I was going to say something else but it''s pointless.Date: 4/13/2009 10:23:55 PM
Author: musey
I''m not saying she''s not a good singer, she is. But she is by no stretch of the imagination a great singer - certainly enough to incite that strong a reaction.
to Susan Boyle. What a phenomenal performance. She should be extremely proud. The way she sang it was far better than I''ve ever heard, live or recorded.
LOL. Maybe she sees her potential future fortune and has come here to shop for some bling.Date: 4/14/2009 1:37:28 AM
Author: musey
Of course my interest was piqued by this, as usualDate: 4/14/2009 12:51:46 AM
Author: fleur.de.lys.88
Deleted. I was going to say something else but it''s pointless.Date: 4/13/2009 10:23:55 PM
Author: musey
I''m not saying she''s not a good singer, she is. But she is by no stretch of the imagination a great singer - certainly enough to incite that strong a reaction.
to Susan Boyle. What a phenomenal performance. She should be extremely proud. The way she sang it was far better than I''ve ever heard, live or recorded.I''m glad TGal filled in the blank for me so I knew what it was you were aiming my direction.
For the record, my criticism (again, if you can even call it that) is merely my opinion, based on my own background and experience (which you are unaware of). You likely don''t know much about me (or do you?) so I won''t bore you with details (or I could practice that ''ego enhancement'' everyone''s telling me to investigate and barrage you with some links and resume bitshaha), but regardless of my own involvement with singing, I''ve never really understood the ''if you can''t do better'' argument. Does that mean that your opinion of her means nothing, as well? Or are you an accomplished singer and therefore fit to judge her as ''phenomenal?'' What about Simon Cowell (since he''s the subject of the thread, sort of) - is he unfit to judge her because he cant ''do better?'' Is his positive reaction to her performance therefore rendered meaningless?
Regardless, why does it matter whether I think she''s an above-average singer or not? Obviously I hold no sway in her future career, so my opinion should really not elicit more than a ''really?! I completely disagree!'' All art is completely subjective, and it is O.K. for people to disagree on issues of ''quality.''
Wait... are YOU Susan Boyle??
Yeah, I guess for me and from my own past experience there were a lot of factors outside her control (nerves = emotion, the music itself as it is written = hard to mess up that song unless you're on par with William Hung or Wing, element of surprise) that played to her favor under the circumstances, and a lot more factors within her control (pitch control, dropped notes due to range limitations) that in the end balance out to a 'just good' performance. Bottom line being that I found myself making negative mental notes more often than positive ones.Date: 4/14/2009 1:30:35 AM
Author: TravelingGal
I didn't think she was amazing either. To me, she didn't have the nuanced control that 'great' singers have. But for an amateur, she was pretty impressive and those 'nuances' usually don't come without a lot of training.
Plus she seemed to sing those words with a lot of heart.
Obviously you don''t have to justify yourself to me Musey. I don''t know you well, but I''d reckon your voice is as sweet as your personality on PS.Date: 4/14/2009 1:45:15 AM
Author: musey
Yeah, I guess for me and from my own past experience there were a lot of factors outside her control (nerves = emotion, the music itself as it is written = hard to mess up that song unless you''re William Hung or Wing) that played to her favor under the circumstances, and a lot more factors within her control (pitch control, dropped notes due to range limitations) that in the end balance out to a ''just good'' performance. I found myself making negative mental notes more often than positive ones.Date: 4/14/2009 1:30:35 AM
Author: TravelingGal
I didn''t think she was amazing either. To me, she didn''t have the nuanced control that ''great'' singers have. But for an amateur, she was pretty impressive and those ''nuances'' usually don''t come without a lot of training.
Plus she seemed to sing those words with a lot of heart.
I don''t know if I''m beating a dead horse or not because I can''t really tell (I seem to have misplaced my tact this evening), I''m just trying to explain (since it seems I''m supposed to justify my opinion - not to you TGal, you know what I mean) that my opinion doesn''t come from nowhere. I''ve auditioned a lot of singers in my time, and done a lot of auditions myself, so I''m listening for different things than most others do.
I do have to say that it''s unfortunate that our new friend has not heard a better performance of this song. With so many hundreds out there, it seems surprising... but like I said, everyone has their own tastes
Haha!Date: 4/14/2009 1:50:01 AM
Author: TravelingGal
Obviously you don't have to justify yourself to me Musey. I don't know you well, but I'd reckon your voice is as sweet as your personality on PS.
Of course, that may be 'utter crap.' Hee hee.
Sorry Musey. It was what came to mind.Date: 4/14/2009 1:54:00 AM
Author: musey
Haha!Date: 4/14/2009 1:50:01 AM
Author: TravelingGal
Obviously you don''t have to justify yourself to me Musey. I don''t know you well, but I''d reckon your voice is as sweet as your personality on PS.
Of course, that may be ''utter crap.'' Hee hee.
How DARE you pre-judge my singing ability
Hope so Feralpenchant...if you have a voice to be able to sing that song, it''s a gift indeed. I could clear the mold in my shower if I attempted it!Date: 4/14/2009 2:05:41 AM
Author: Feralpenchant
She''s alright. I''m not super impressed. I know a few people that could blow it out better than that. Maybe it''s her tone I''m averse to.. -shrug-
I''ve took voice lessons from ages 6-18, and I''ve been in many choirs and shows, and I''ve heard this song sung COUNTLESS times. I even sang it once myself, but Susan Boyle is better suited to it than I am.
AAAAAAAND then I started smoking and I can''t sing classically anymore. Well, maybe as an alto with average voice control, but not as a soprano 1 with great voice control.
BAH! Now that I''ve quit smoking I''m hoping I can train my voice back up to where it was.