Should I pull the trigger on this ACA diamond?

[mwfp]

Hello all,

I'm am seriously considering this stone and would like to get some feedback from the community. I've learned a lot from spending hours reading in this forum, but I don't feel super confident with this purchase without consulting with you guys first Please feel free to chime in. I've listed some of my concerns below each image. Thanks in advance!

RB Stats:
Depth %: 61.7
Table %: 55.7
Crown Angle: 34.3
Pavilion Angle: 40.9
Crown %: 15.1
Measurements: 7.64x7.69x4.72
Culet : Pointed
Fluorescence: Negligible
Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted

HCA score: 1.4
I was hoping scintillation would be excellent as well. Should I be concerned?


AGS cert:
Should I be concerned about the clouds/needles? Should I be concerned about "Additional clouds are not shown" in the comments?


IdealScope/Aset/Hearts Image
How does these look? Should I be concerned about the non symmetrical arrows? I've seen better H&A formations so I'm questioning how good of a H&A this is.

 

[Gypsy]

You don't use the HCA on AGS0 diamonds.

HCA is not a selection tool. It's a rejection tool. And the AGS0 trumps it.

AGS0 by itself is really enough.

But you combine that with the cutting standards of the ACA and you are in super ideal territory.

As for the inclusions. You are fine. VS2 inclusions are all safe.

You can just double check to make sure the stone is eyeclean, just ask the sales associate and they'll tell you.

The hearts and arrows are perfectly fine, it's an ACA. You do realize you won't see any of the hearts when you see the diamond set, right? The arrows are lovely. And the idealscope is perfect.


H color is a great.

Overall, you have a perfect choice.

So to answer your question: yes, you should pull the trigger.

 

[Andelain]

It just doesn't get better than that.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

The images are top of the line. Outstanding stone!

 

[krisjon]

You can double down on that one. Better lock it up quick.

 

[c-k]

+5 beautiful

 

[mwfp]

Glad to hear unanimous approval of this gem!

Anything I should ask the gemologist since I am buying it online?

 

[ibdrinken]

Looks beautiful, you better buy it before one of us does lol

 

[Andelain]

Glad to hear unanimous approval of this gem!

Anything I should ask the gemologist since I am buying it online?

"Can you ship it today?"

 

[mwfp]

Ha! You guys are hilarious. But seriously, I'm dropping a lot of dough and would like to ask questions before I finalize my order. Anything at all??

Glad to hear unanimous approval of this gem!

Anything I should ask the gemologist since I am buying it online?

"Can you ship it today?"

 

[c-k]

Ha! You guys are hilarious. But seriously, I'm dropping a lot of dough and would like to ask questions before I finalize my order. Anything at all??

Glad to hear unanimous approval of this gem!

Anything I should ask the gemologist since I am buying it online?

"Can you ship it today?"

I really don't think there is a single thing that I would be concerned with. It is the Best 'Top of the Line' Whiteflash Hearts & Arrows diamond...it don't get no better than this!!...I would buy before someone else gets it.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

The only question I can ever think of on an ACA is, "Is it eyeclean?" if it is VS2 or lower clarity. There is really nothing else to ask!

 

[mwfp]

Thank you all for making me feel super confident with this one. Before I send them my money, I want to dive a little deeper to get some questions answered from the community. I don't want any surprises later during appraisal

Question 1:
I've been browsing a lot of ACA H&A RBs and most of the time, the pointed arrows are pretty symmetrical all around. The hearts are usually perfect with no "cleavage" on them. Should this be a concern at all? I realize I won't be able to see the H&A image once it's set, but what does a slightly imperfect H&A image on an ACA do to it?


Question 2
There are some clouds and needles--a couple of spots in the middle and a cluster around the edge. I realize you guys said it's a non-issue, but you guys think the note "Additional clouds are not shown" should be any concern? Are VS2s (or any diamond for that matter) generally clouded with pin points where the grader decides not to plot them? I'd hate to put it under a loupe and find a mess of clouds everywhere.


And lastly, here it is:


Thanks once again. You all have been very helpful

 

[diamondseeker2006]

That is so absolutely minute that it means absolutely nothing. Seriously, you are worrying about nothing. I know it's a big purchase, but ACA's are like in the top 3% of all diamonds in the world.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Oh, and they just don't put all the clouds because it would scare people if they saw a lot of red. I would worry a lot about clouds not shown in an SI2 stone but not a VS2. As long as it is eyeclean, which I would think it is from that plot, there are no concerns about the clarity.

 

[mwfp]

Top 3% eh? Wow!

That is so absolutely minute that it means absolutely nothing. Seriously, you are worrying about nothing. I know it's a big purchase, but ACA's are like in the top 3% of all diamonds in the world.

Oh, and they just don't put all the clouds because it would scare people if they saw a lot of red. I would worry a lot about clouds not shown in an SI2 stone but not a VS2. As long as it is eyeclean, which I would think it is from that plot, there are no concerns about the clarity.

 

[c-k]

Thank you all for making me feel super confident with this one. Before I send them my money, I want to dive a little deeper to get some questions answered from the community. I don't want any surprises later during appraisal

Question 1:
I've been browsing a lot of ACA H&A RBs and most of the time, the pointed arrows are pretty symmetrical all around. The hearts are usually perfect with no "cleavage" on them. Should this be a concern at all? I realize I won't be able to see the H&A image once it's set, but what does a slightly imperfect H&A image on an ACA do to it?

Question 2
There are some clouds and needles--a couple of spots in the middle and a cluster around the edge. I realize you guys said it's a non-issue, but you guys think the note "Additional clouds are not shown" should be any concern? Are VS2s (or any diamond for that matter) generally clouded with pin points where the grader decides not to plot them? I'd hate to put it under a loupe and find a mess of clouds everywhere

Thanks once again. You all have been very helpful

#1 - No, these H&A's are true, Whiteflash has set standards for these and recognized as such.
#2 - No, at VS2 the clouds not shown are not an issue, the plotted clouds have set the grade. I would guess you may even find it very hard with a 10x to find some clouds, usually these are very small clustered or in a line of tiny tiny crystals No one is going to pull out a loupe to view your diamond, and you will long forget any concerns after you see this stone. I am ok with any inclusions I can't see with a naked eye that has no effect on performance.

You may be over-thinking a bit, Whiteflash is a great vendor with a great return/exchange policy as well as a nice trade up policy. They want you happy, they don't want to sell you something that is not what is represented.

 

[c-k]

Thank you all for making me feel super confident with this one. Before I send them my money, I want to dive a little deeper to get some questions answered from the community. I don't want any surprises later during appraisal

I forgot to ask, you mention appraisal, is this for insurance?

 

[mwfp]

Yes, I think I'd like to get it insured. I'm guessing there's nothing to worry about since every comment about this stone has been nothing but positive.

Thank you all for making me feel super confident with this one. Before I send them my money, I want to dive a little deeper to get some questions answered from the community. I don't want any surprises later during appraisal

I forgot to ask, you mention appraisal, is this for insurance?

 

[c-k]

Yes, I think I'd like to get it insured. I'm guessing there's nothing to worry about since every comment about this stone has been nothing but positive.

Thank you all for making me feel super confident with this one. Before I send them my money, I want to dive a little deeper to get some questions answered from the community. I don't want any surprises later during appraisal

I forgot to ask, you mention appraisal, is this for insurance?

You don't need an appraisal if you go with Jewelers Mutual Insurance Co (many here use this company)...your sales receipt will work.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Yes, I think I'd like to get it insured. I'm guessing there's nothing to worry about since every comment about this stone has been nothing but positive.

Thank you all for making me feel super confident with this one. Before I send them my money, I want to dive a little deeper to get some questions answered from the community. I don't want any surprises later during appraisal

I forgot to ask, you mention appraisal, is this for insurance?

You don't need an appraisal if you go with Jewelers Mutual Insurance Co (many here use this company)...your sales receipt will work.

Really? Are they accepting sales receipts now??? They wouldn't take my daughter's e-ring receipt three years ago. They would only take the appraisal (because they want the higher premiums from the inflated value) . But I would be thrilled if they are taking sales receipts now! Mine does and I include the diamond lab report.

mwfp...I have bought 3 pair (upgrades) of diamonds for earrings from WF and my daughter's e-ring stone came from there, and never did we see any reason to have another appraisal done. You have AGS grading which is impartial and a respected lab, so that was enough for us. It will come with an appraisal that is higher than what you paid, and if your insurance requires an appraisal, you can use that. But I always use my sales receipts as that is the amount it would cost to replace the stone for the near future anyway.

 

[Bailey_Lou]

I also wanted to add that sometimes the arrows will look like that because of the angle of the camera. For a true hearts and arrow from the original Japanese criteria 2 heart clefts are allowed. The symmetry on that diamond is great!

 

[c-k]

Yes, I think I'd like to get it insured. I'm guessing there's nothing to worry about since every comment about this stone has been nothing but positive.

Thank you all for making me feel super confident with this one. Before I send them my money, I want to dive a little deeper to get some questions answered from the community. I don't want any surprises later during appraisal

I forgot to ask, you mention appraisal, is this for insurance?

You don't need an appraisal if you go with Jewelers Mutual Insurance Co (many here use this company)...your sales receipt will work.

Really? Are they accepting sales receipts now??? They wouldn't take my daughter's e-ring receipt three years ago. They would only take the appraisal (because they want the higher premiums from the inflated value) . But I would be thrilled if they are taking sales receipts now! Mine does and I include the diamond lab report.

mwfp...I have bought 3 pair (upgrades) of diamonds for earrings from WF and my daughter's e-ring stone came from there, and never did we see any reason to have another appraisal done. You have AGS grading which is impartial and a respected lab, so that was enough for us. It will come with an appraisal that is higher than what you paid, and if your insurance requires an appraisal, you can use that. But I always use my sales receipts as that is the amount it would cost to replace the stone for the near future anyway.

I submitted only my sales receipt for the last two and had no problem (that was Dec 12 & Feb 13') The sales receipt was very specific for the stones detailing the description and all grading information.

Like you, I would not want to pay the added premium for an inflated appraisal, if I needed one I would give the appraiser the information on what my cost was and ask that the value reflect that. If you have a loss the insurance company will only pay or replace what is will actually cost, not the appraised value.

 

[Bailey_Lou]

Also, and I know this is going backwards but it's in relation to your question about the hearts. Here is a link to some info about that:
https://www.pricescope.com/journal/hearts_and_arrows_diamonds_and_basics_diamond_cutting

 

[mwfp]

Thanks for all the good info, everyone! Quick question--Is the table on the smaller side, at 55.7%? Just wondering if it will face up on the smaller side.

Also, and I know this is going backwards but it's in relation to your question about the hearts. Here is a link to some info about that:
https://www.pricescope.com/journal/hearts_and_arrows_diamonds_and_basics_diamond_cutting

 

[CSR]

I think you are really splitting hairs on this...
Ideal table measurements are 53-58%, depth 60-62%, obviously the other correct parameters are necessary to ensure the best balance of fire, scintillation and brilliance.
Find a ruler that has mm measurements and then try and look for .01mm difference....You will never see the size difference.

Best of luck with your purchase! I'm not qualified to comment on how good it looks but I love my maths and at some point you just have to let go and realize how small parameters you are looking at..!

 

[mwfp]

Hi all,

So I have this in hand right now, but I am facing a pretty difficult dilemma.

I've realized that at a certain angle, I can see the faint tint of yellow. I realized if I want it to be less tinted, I'll have to move up 2 colors. If I do that, I'll need to downgrade from 1.7 H to 1.5 F and still need to add a couple grand.

What would you guys do? Overall it's a beautiful stone. Maybe I need to get over it and be happy with my purchase?

 

[Gypsy]

OK so.

You realize the diamonds reflect right?

My F looks yellow in the Nordstroms cafe with the beige walls.

Are you sure what you are seeing is tint, and not reflection?

Also, are you looking at it set, or unset?

 

[lioness]

Don't forget, the stone will be set face up, not at the angles that you're peering into it, although close scrutiny of a mesmerizing diamond is certainly expected and totally warranted after you've spent serious money on it. A RB is cut to minimize color from the face-up view. What kind of setting are you thinking about? Can you post a photo of the stone in which the tint is showing?

Exhale.... You did good.

 

[mwfp]

I've been looking at it for days, in different lighting, under different lights and in different rooms. I am aware that diamonds reflect light from its surrounding, which I tried my best to isolate it to non yellowy light.

When viewing at a slight tilt from face up, I sometimes see a faint yellow tint.

I am looking at it set. Sometimes I wonder if its the fire adding these "yellows" to the stone.

OK so.

You realize the diamonds reflect right?

My F looks yellow in the Nordstroms cafe with the beige walls.

Are you sure what you are seeing is tint, and not reflection?

Also, are you looking at it set, or unset?