Should I get a Leon..?

[bee*]

I think it depends if you will regret not having pave or not. If you don''t think you''ll regret it in the future, go with the leon, if you will, then I''d go custom.

 

[gwendolyn]

Date: 5/6/2008 11:12:28 AM
Author: arjunajane
And Gwen, please don''t take me the wrong way, I''m sorry if that didn''t come across properly sweetheart! You have been so very helpful and I appreciate it heaps!

Hm? Oh no, did I sound annoyed?! I totally didn''t mean to! Just meant I had to ask the basic questions to make sure there wasn''t something blindingly obvious, staring me in the face!

Plus, I don''t know how important the pave is to you. If it''s a bit deal (you mentioned that it would make your ring seem more special), then I would say you should work with your local guy (even though he doesn''t have any photos up on his website of his work

). If it''s not a big deal--if you''re pretty ''meh'' about the idea of the pave--then I think you''d probably be happiest in the long term with the Leon, since you love his solitaire so much. I personally would love to see a Leon in 18K gold

but it''s not my ring, so I don''t get to choose.

 

[arjunajane]

Thankyou All so much!!

Crooked, you are so lucky getting to sit down and go over everything, it must have been so exciting!

Just one more question, about the whole wedding band thing...maybe I''m exaggerating the importnace of this due to what i''ve read etc. Does anybody know, is DiamondSeekers'' just the normal solitare without any modifications? Because I would be more than happy if my w-band had a tiny gap like hers.
link to DS2006''s set https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/thank-you-andrey-leon-jonathan-and-tiffany.80475/

If this is the case, and seeing as my stone is a bit smaller, perhaps I don''t need any modification at all?

Can anyone advise?

hmmm..the leon is seeming a better option all the time!

 

[CrookedRock]

Date: 5/6/2008 2:21:20 PM
Author: arjunajane
Thankyou All so much!!

Crooked, you are so lucky getting to sit down and go over everything, it must have been so exciting!

Just one more question, about the whole wedding band thing...maybe I''m exaggerating the importnace of this due to what i''ve read etc. Does anybody know, is DiamondSeekers'' just the normal solitare without any modifications? Because I would be more than happy if my w-band had a tiny gap like hers.
link to DS2006''s set https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/thank-you-andrey-leon-jonathan-and-tiffany.80475/

If this is the case, and seeing as my stone is a bit smaller, perhaps I don''t need any modification at all?

Can anyone advise?

hmmm..the leon is seeming a better option all the time!

I just have to say that I love PS and all the people that come help, it''s so awesome!!!

Arjunajane~ I was very fortunate to be able to go and meet with him, and so extensively. Sometimes I hesitate to post about my experience with him bc I know he did things a lil different with us than he normally does, and only bc I had to be the PITA and start from scratch with him. But then I remember how great my experience was and I should share that with all of you to let you know that he''s not the big brut people make him out to be, and he will do what he needs to do to accomidate his clients. So if it seems like I am driving the Leon fan train... well it''s bc I am! LOL

DS''s ring doesn''t look modified to me, or if it is it probably isn''t all that much. I think the gap on her ring is nice. I always wanted a wedding band that sat flush with the ering but when I started doing the ering design I realized that wasn''t going to happen and I gave it up in order to have Leon make my ring. But these are the things you have to weigh out. For you, all you have to decide is whether you can handle a tiny gap and stick with his classic solitaire, or if you want to modify it and have a flush band... Decisions Decisions!!

 

[coatimundi_org]

Leon!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 5/6/2008 2:21:20 PM
Author: arjunajane
Thankyou All so much!!

Crooked, you are so lucky getting to sit down and go over everything, it must have been so exciting!

Just one more question, about the whole wedding band thing...maybe I''m exaggerating the importnace of this due to what i''ve read etc. Does anybody know, is DiamondSeekers'' just the normal solitare without any modifications? Because I would be more than happy if my w-band had a tiny gap like hers.
link to DS2006''s set https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/thank-you-andrey-leon-jonathan-and-tiffany.80475/

If this is the case, and seeing as my stone is a bit smaller, perhaps I don''t need any modification at all?

Can anyone advise?

hmmm..the leon is seeming a better option all the time!

Mine is just the regular classic solitaire. And because it is set low, you have to have a low set wedding band. The Legacy band obviously works, and I can wear the Memoire band with it, although I think smaller stones would look even better (mine are 10-11 points each). But I love the look of the Legacy band more. I can''t capture how delicate they are in the pictures, unfortunately.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

One more note after reading all the posts. He will want to do single claw prongs on your stone. I left that decision to him and his assistant replied to me that he "insisted" that it be single claw prongs! I trusted the artist and went with it! I think you'll see double only on large stones or perhaps square stones. I love my tiny gap, too! I don't want the two rings to appear to be one ring. The little Legacy band is so pretty and sparkly, and I am glad to have a tiny gap so you can tell it is two rings.

But to be fair, I should say that if your dream is to have pave on your e-ring, you probably should have it made locally just for maintenance purposes. I love the way a plain solitaire showcases the diamond, but others love a fancy setting more! Both are beautiful...but only you know what you love the most!

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/6/2008 2:17:15 PM
Author: gwendolyn

Date: 5/6/2008 11:12:28 AM
Author: arjunajane
And Gwen, please don''t take me the wrong way, I''m sorry if that didn''t come across properly sweetheart! You have been so very helpful and I appreciate it heaps!

Hm? Oh no, did I sound annoyed?! I totally didn''t mean to! Just meant I had to ask the basic questions to make sure there wasn''t something blindingly obvious, staring me in the face!

Plus, I don''t know how important the pave is to you. If it''s a bit deal (you mentioned that it would make your ring seem more special), then I would say you should work with your local guy (even though he doesn''t have any photos up on his website of his work

). If it''s not a big deal--if you''re pretty ''meh'' about the idea of the pave--then I think you''d probably be happiest in the long term with the Leon, since you love his solitaire so much. I personally would love to see a Leon in 18K gold

but it''s not my ring, so I don''t get to choose.

Oh sorry sweetheat! Another case of miscommunication over the internet! Not at all, you have been very thoughtful and I appreciate it.

I can''t wait to see what you choose for your ring when the time comes!

 

[Haven]

I''d go for the Leon, no questions.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/6/2008 5:30:46 PM
Author: CrookedRock

Date: 5/6/2008 2:21:20 PM
Author: arjunajane
Thankyou All so much!!

Crooked, you are so lucky getting to sit down and go over everything, it must have been so exciting!

Just one more question, about the whole wedding band thing...maybe I''m exaggerating the importnace of this due to what i''ve read etc. Does anybody know, is DiamondSeekers'' just the normal solitare without any modifications? Because I would be more than happy if my w-band had a tiny gap like hers.
link to DS2006''s set https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/thank-you-andrey-leon-jonathan-and-tiffany.80475/

If this is the case, and seeing as my stone is a bit smaller, perhaps I don''t need any modification at all?

Can anyone advise?

hmmm..the leon is seeming a better option all the time!

I just have to say that I love PS and all the people that come help, it''s so awesome!!!

Arjunajane~ I was very fortunate to be able to go and meet with him, and so extensively. Sometimes I hesitate to post about my experience with him bc I know he did things a lil different with us than he normally does, and only bc I had to be the PITA and start from scratch with him. But then I remember how great my experience was and I should share that with all of you to let you know that he''s not the big brut people make him out to be, and he will do what he needs to do to accomidate his clients. So if it seems like I am driving the Leon fan train... well it''s bc I am! LOL

DS''s ring doesn''t look modified to me, or if it is it probably isn''t all that much. I think the gap on her ring is nice. I always wanted a wedding band that sat flush with the ering but when I started doing the ering design I realized that wasn''t going to happen and I gave it up in order to have Leon make my ring. But these are the things you have to weigh out. For you, all you have to decide is whether you can handle a tiny gap and stick with his classic solitaire, or if you want to modify it and have a flush band... Decisions Decisions!!

CR, I have to say I completely agree with you about PS and the level of help everybody receives here. It has been incredible the detailed responses I have received in this thread and the advice is really invaluable to my decison.

Thankyou Everybody who has posted and voted!!

And I can completely understand why you are on the "Leon train" so to say! Its great that you have had such a fulfiling expereince working with him- can''t wait to see the finished product! Do you have alink to a thread where you discuss it?

 

[sera]

I was strongly considering Leon for my ering as well. Since I was absolutely getting pave, I decided to go locally (with Maytal Hannah) because if/when the melee fell out I dreaded shipping the ring back and forth across the U.S.

So, if I were wanting a plain solitaire, Leon would be at the top of my list for sure. I do like the look of a plain solitaire with band or two, I just prefer some pave on the ering as well. If you are set on the pave, I would go local (but would be VERY picky on who that local person was and would not go forward with that unless I was confident I would be happy with the ring).

 

[neatfreak]

Can I ask a random question that maybe applies here? Will Leon even DO gold for rings where he isn't offsetting the look of yellow or pink diamonds? I don't think I have EVER seen him work with gold except for colored stones...

So if no one knows the answer, arjun, you might want to find out before you worry yourself over the decision!

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/6/2008 9:23:36 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
One more note after reading all the posts. He will want to do single claw prongs on your stone. I left that decision to him and his assistant replied to me that he ''insisted'' that it be single claw prongs! I trusted the artist and went with it! I think you''ll see double only on large stones or perhaps square stones. I love my tiny gap, too! I don''t want the two rings to appear to be one ring. The little Legacy band is so pretty and sparkly, and I am glad to have a tiny gap so you can tell it is two rings.

But to be fair, I should say that if your dream is to have pave on your e-ring, you probably should have it made locally just for maintenance purposes. I love the way a plain solitaire showcases the diamond, but others love a fancy setting more! Both are beautiful...but only you know what you love the most!

Thankyou DS, I was hoping you would pop in and explain!
After looking at your rings I would be completely happy with that gap. For some reason after all the posts I had read on the issue, I thought it would look a lot more drastic. As I have said before, yours is my "ideal set", so a gap it is!

To be honest, the double claw is reeeaally a large part of the reason why I would go with him. I hear what you''re saying about the size of the stones in comparison to what he usually does, but for me a 1.25 is a Really big stone! I understand he may insist on single for his vision, however I hope he wil listen to me in that I would like the double prongs.

Aaarrhh! like you said, decisions decisions!

I think going and trying on some stuff needs to be in the works now before i make a decision..

TY hon for all your advice.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/6/2008 9:58:07 PM
Author: neatfreak
Can I ask a random question that maybe applies here? Will Leon even DO gold for rings where he isn''t offsetting the look of yellow or pink diamonds? I don''t think I have EVER seen him work with gold except for colored stones...

So if no one knows the answer, arjun, you might want to find out before you worry yourself over the decision!

Hi neat,
yes Leon emailed me his quote and confirmed it would be the price for 18k gold. Not a problem.
I think the reason you only ever see plat is because he told me it would be the same price for plat as for gold, so now I am debating whether I should still get gold! I know most would say go for plat if the price is the same, I will have to try some more on and see if I like it.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 5/6/2008 10:11:17 PM
Author: arjunajane

Date: 5/6/2008 9:58:07 PM

Author: neatfreak

Can I ask a random question that maybe applies here? Will Leon even DO gold for rings where he isn''t offsetting the look of yellow or pink diamonds? I don''t think I have EVER seen him work with gold except for colored stones...


So if no one knows the answer, arjun, you might want to find out before you worry yourself over the decision!

Hi neat,

yes Leon emailed me his quote and confirmed it would be the price for 18k gold. Not a problem.

I think the reason you only ever see plat is because he told me it would be the same price for plat as for gold, so now I am debating whether I should still get gold! I know most would say go for plat if the price is the same, I will have to try some more on and see if I like it.

Thank you for clarifying that! I always wondered. That makes sense that people would always go with plat if it is the same price...

decisions decisions!

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/6/2008 9:52:40 PM
Author: sera
I was strongly considering Leon for my ering as well. Since I was absolutely getting pave, I decided to go locally (with Maytal Hannah) because if/when the melee fell out I dreaded shipping the ring back and forth across the U.S.

So, if I were wanting a plain solitaire, Leon would be at the top of my list for sure. I do like the look of a plain solitaire with band or two, I just prefer some pave on the ering as well. If you are set on the pave, I would go local (but would be VERY picky on who that local person was and would not go forward with that unless I was confident I would be happy with the ring).

Thankyou Sera for your input - btw, where is your lovely?? can''t believe its stil not here!

Thankyou Coati and haven for your input.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

You are very welcome! I definitely want you to end up with what you love! I just wanted to prepare you that he might be resistant to doing the double prongs. And yes, 1.25 is certainly not small by any means! It is a lovely size!

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/6/2008 10:16:10 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
You are very welcome! I definitely want you to end up with what you love! I just wanted to prepare you that he might be resistant to doing the double prongs. And yes, 1.25 is certainly not small by any means! It is a lovely size!

you''re a sweetheart, thankyou!

 

[CrookedRock]

Date: 5/6/2008 9:31:27 PM
Author: arjunajane

CR, I have to say I completely agree with you about PS and the level of help everybody receives here. It has been incredible the detailed responses I have received in this thread and the advice is really invaluable to my decison.

Thankyou Everybody who has posted and voted!!

And I can completely understand why you are on the ''Leon train'' so to say! Its great that you have had such a fulfiling expereince working with him- can''t wait to see the finished product! Do you have alink to a thread where you discuss it?

Not really... but there is a thread with my name on it where I think I gave away a few hints.

Keep us posted on what you decide! I''m glad DS2006 chimed in bc her set is perfect!! I say go for it! And if you want double prongs then do that too!

 

[Moko]

Hi Arjunajane,

Hi, I love both Leon''s rings you posted. They are soooo beautiful

.
If you like pave, then go for it! Even it is little over the budget now, you should get what you really love.

I love both platinum and 18K yellow gold. I am "Pave" girl, and my left and light hand rings are both pave. My right hand pave ring is 18K Yellow and I love it. It is a custom made ring and I bought it oversea 10 years ago and I wear it every day, but so far no melee fell out yet. I say "Pave" but they are actually "prong set." They are not shared prongs.

My jeweler here said if any melee fell out, they could fix it no problem, so if the ring is a not shared prong, it can be fixed pretty easily? It is not necessary to send back to the original designer? I am no expert, so need to have a professional opinion on this, but I thought I should mention it here.

Anyway I would check the return policy before making any decision though.
As you know, sometimes rings look different on our hands from what we see online or even in the showcase at B&M store. I am wondering if he could ship you any example setting similar to the one that you like...so that you would get better idea?? Maybe they don''t have any those "sample" setting.

By the way, I used to live in Sydney! I love Australia!

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/7/2008 9:36:19 AM
Author: Moko
Hi Arjunajane,

Hi, I love both Leon''s rings you posted. They are soooo beautiful

.
If you like pave, then go for it! Even it is little over the budget now, you should get what you really love.

I love both platinum and 18K yellow gold. I am ''Pave'' girl, and my left and light hand rings are both pave. My right hand pave ring is 18K Yellow and I love it. It is a custom made ring and I bought it oversea 10 years ago and I wear it every day, but so far no melee fell out yet. I say ''Pave'' but they are actually ''prong set.'' They are not shared prongs.

My jeweler here said if any melee fell out, they could fix it no problem, so if the ring is a not shared prong, it can be fixed pretty easily? It is not necessary to send back to the original designer? I am no expert, so need to have a professional opinion on this, but I thought I should mention it here.

Anyway I would check the return policy before making any decision though.
As you know, sometimes rings look different on our hands from what we see online or even in the showcase at B&M store. I am wondering if he could ship you any example setting similar to the one that you like...so that you would get better idea?? Maybe they don''t have any those ''sample'' setting.

By the way, I used to live in Sydney! I love Australia!

Ty Moko for your post! You are very right about stuff looking different actually on us, compared to blown up 100x on our screens like I''m getting used to seeing, lol.
I would love to consult closer with Leon but i''m afraid having any stones or settings sent from US is too impractical due to shipping and taxes *sigh*..

I have been doing a bit of math, and even though I love the leon just the way it is I''m starting to question if I can really afford it. The tax alone will make a huge difference compared to having it made here..

aaarghh decisions decisions. off to see my jeweler tomorrow for a discussion, will post a decision after..

 

[gwendolyn]

Heya, arj, I replied to something you said in another thread, but wasn''t sure you''d see it so I figured I should probably put it in here. It''s nothing big, just a definitive answer to something you were wondering about with Leon''s metals and his gold vs. plat pricing:

Author: arjunajane
Hi lisa,

yes exactly the same - which is what I thought is kind of strange, seeing as I want gold not plat. and considering the huge price diff between th 2. But oh well, I guess most of the cost is for the labour then..?

Leon addresses this on his website, actually. If you go to "Pricing" and then "Metals," he says, "Intricate pieces are so much easier to work with in platinum, that any savings of metal cost would be canceled by extra labor cost. Only heavy, solid pieces (i.e. gypsy rings, mini-sculptures, etc.) worth considering the use of substitute metals."

Sorry to hear you think the Leon might be out of your price range due to the taxes and stuff. With that combined with the no pave and the fact that it would cost as much for him to do gold as plat, it kind of sounds like maybe the local jeweler would make the most sense...?

 

[butterfly 17]

I did not have time to read all the posts, but I did want to say that if you really want to eventually get the pave, then I would either wait until I saved up for it, or just get it custom made where you are.

I originally had a Leon Mege plain solitaire ring. I think that I was the first one to ever have one here on PS, I got it in Nov. 2003. I eventually changed it a year later because I wanted to get something a bit more sparkly. I thought about having LM add pave to the band, but one thing I never liked about the ring was that my diamond band kept rubbing against the prongs and left indentation marks. Also, the diamond was set lower than what I had asked and even though I had told him, he did not want to change it.

The great thing is that with him, I was able to design every aspect of the ring. The shank, the donut, the prongs, everything. He even hand drew pictures of the ring for me.

Unfortunately, my need for bling outweighed my love for his design.

I don't know what prices are like right now. I know that back then it only cost me $1000 even for the solitaire. No tax, paid in cash upon receipt of the ring. When I inquired about adding the extra diamonds, it was going to cost me $800 to $1000 to add them to the basket.

I eventually sold the setting for $1000 to someone on another website and he set her CZ into it for a fee of $100 and sized it for free for her.


You have to take into account that if there is a problem with the ring, you can't just go to him and have him fix it. You are going to have to find someone where you are to fix it. And if you do decide to have him do the work, you are going to be paying so much in customs fees and shipping.

Anyway, best of luck, here is a link to my original ring--

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-leon-mege-ring-is-here.10757/

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/8/2008 10:22:22 AM
Author: butterfly 17
I did not have time to read all the posts, but I did want to say that if you really want to eventually get the pave, then I would either wait until I saved up for it, or just get it custom made where you are.

I originally had a Leon Mege plain solitaire ring. I think that I was the first one to ever have one here on PS, I got it in Nov. 2003. I eventually changed it a year later because I wanted to get something a bit more sparkly. I thought about having LM add pave to the band, but one thing I never liked about the ring was that my diamond band kept rubbing against the prongs and left indentation marks. Also, the diamond was set lower than what I had asked and even though I had told him, he did not want to change it.

The great thing is that with him, I was able to design every aspect of the ring. The shank, the donut, the prongs, everything. He even hand drew pictures of the ring for me.

Unfortunately, my need for bling outweighed my love for his design.

I don''t know what prices are like right now. I know that back then it only cost me $1000 even for the solitaire. No tax, paid in cash upon receipt of the ring. When I inquired about adding the extra diamonds, it was going to cost me $800 to $1000 to add them to the basket.

I eventually sold the setting for $1000 to someone on another website and he set her CZ into it for a fee of $100 and sized it for free for her.


You have to take into account that if there is a problem with the ring, you can''t just go to him and have him fix it. You are going to have to find someone where you are to fix it. And if you do decide to have him do the work, you are going to be paying so much in customs fees and shipping.

Anyway, best of luck, here is a link to my original ring--

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-leon-mege-ring-is-here.10757/

Butterfly, you have pretty much verbalized my thought process!
Although I know this is a topic that polarizes ppl considering how much LM''s work is loved - I''ve decided to go local. In the end, like you said its just too much of a drama not to be able to send it in for repairs/polishing etc etc.
That said, if/when i do want pave I think he would have to be the man - can''t beat it.
But seeing as its just a plain solitaire, I''m confident my local guy will do a good job.

You are spot on about the customs aswell - even though his quote was comparable to one here, after the taxes etc its going to take me waaayy over budget. I have only just put all this together now after giving it serious thought and doing the math!

Thankyou for everybody who posted and gave me their invaluable opinions and advice, I really am humbled by all the effort and thought that you all put into your responses.

I will keep you''all updated after my convo with my local guy - finger''s crossed its gonna be perfect!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

There are certainly talented bench people everywhere! I''d just ask to see samples of their custom work and examine them with a loupe to see how finely they finish their pieces. I think that is something most people don''t think of. But once you take macro pictures to post on PS, you WILL see little things that may bother you! So be proactive on that end.

I definitely think it is a good idea to buy pave locally, and even if you go with a plain solitaire, I am sure there are people who can do a beautiful job! Did you consider that Vatche Caroline ring? It is basket style and has pave on the basket. If there is a Vatche dealer in your country, you won''t have to pay the import taxes.

 

[butterfly 17]

Referring to what Diamondseeker2006 said, I found flaws with my LM ring, so it is important to really make sure you find a good designer and see samples of their work. With my LM ring, there were porosity issues ( little bubbles and waves ) and the band was not so smooth. Certain parts of the ring were not completey symmetrical to the other side. The double claw prongs were not even, one or two of them , if you look closely at the pictures in my old thread, were crooked or "L" shaped at the end instead of pointy. If you look at pictures in my old thread, you will see about the band not being smooth in some areas.

I never posted about them when I had the ring, I guess because I was so excited to get it, but after a while, you do start inspecting things and see things you may not have noticed in the beginning. When people would PM about his work, before we had a pm system on PS, I would tell them exactly what I had found with my ring. This is why I never had him remake me a ring or add the pave to the one I already had.

I don''t want to knock his work or anything, just letting you know the issues that I found with the ring he made for me.

I think no matter what though, nothing is going to be perfect and I happen to be superanal so I would notice things that maybe no one else would ever notice or bother to notice, or care about, or make a big deal about. I just wanted to point out that it was not a perfect ring, I don''t know if there is really such a thing.

I will say that I have only ever seen perfect in my Tiffany diamond band, before I had it sized, and in my Vatche Royal Crown setting, again, before I had my diamond upgraded.

That''s kind of the reason why I am taking it easy on the new diamond I am getting. I decided that I am just going with a plain tiffany knife edge, not even platinum, so I can take my time deciding on what I really want and who I really want to do it.


BTW, does everyone notice that it is so easy to pick a diamond, compared to actually picking a setting?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Absolutely FAR easier to buy a diamond than a setting. Also FAR easier to buy a diamond than a high quality sapphire.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I just wanted to comment about the finish issues. Perhaps Leon has improved in the years since Butterfly''s ring was done. I know he has changed that setting in design a lot. But I want to point out that cast rings are often going to appear more perfect if they are given a good finish than handmade. I am pretty sure Vatche''s are cast and they are beautifully finished.

 

[arjunajane]

Thankyou DS that is a really good idea about asking to see the benchman''s work up close. I admit I may feel a bit strange asking to loupe someone''s work, but hey I''m paying for it right?

Butterfly, thankyou for sharing your experience, and I''m sorry to hear that you weren''t that happy with your ring. All of this is good info to helping me make an informed decision

I would''ve normally gotten a Vatche as I love the X prong, but that brings me back to the issue of the w-band not sitting right. I am glad i didn''t just go ahead and get the Vatche. Even though it is stunning and reasonabley priced (and ellen''s set is one my total faves), my fingers are really short and a 3-4mm will never work on me. Together with a w''band it would''ve been way too thick.

From trying things on, i''m starting to find about a 2.5-2.75 is right for me. Which is why I like this idea of custom, I will be able to negotiate this little changes in person.

You gals are sooo right about the diamonds Vs setting debacle - who would''ve thought? there are at least 3 stones that I am considering at the moment which would all be winners, but for the life of me I can''t settle on the darn piece of metal to hold it!

lol,
cheers again for all your help

 

[Gypsy]

Having just busted a melee on my setting I'm feeling risk adverse and would vote you get bling with your wedding band. So Leon here too, plus I've seen his work and I've seen 'knock' and unless you are talking Daniel K with the price tag to match... you can't match it.