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shocking! think he will respect others property next time!

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lol!

Seriously though...think his father put him up to that?
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Date: 10/30/2008 7:25:45 PM
Author: luckystar112
lol!


Seriously though...think his father put him up to that?
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of course his father put him up to it or else he would have been to scared to tell him about it.
 
That is quality.
 
Nothing like having your child do your dirty work for you!

And then knocking on the guy''s door like it''s HIS fault!
 
I can see video taping it and turning it over to the authorities, but shocking someone, now that is sick
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Date: 10/30/2008 7:38:02 PM
Author: Skippy123
I can see video taping it but shocking someone, now that is sick
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It was totally safe, no different than walking across the room and getting a shock on a door handle and the kid learned a lesson he will never forget.
 
Serves him right!
 
Why couldn''t the guy just shoot that boy? Invasion of private property and theft. Good enough for me. Self-defense at its best. And electricity is so expensive nowadays.
 
This is really sick.

Angry and sadistic.

And to read posts that''s an equivalent of ''Kudos'' to this act is very disturbing.
 
Personally, I think it's sick and disturbing when a father takes advantage of his own child and forces him to try and commit a crime. I guess that's just me.

It was a little zap. If you should be mad at anyone, be made at that father. The guy who rigged the sign was just protecting his home after his sign was tampered with multiple times before. I'm sure he wasn't planning the perp to be a 9 year old urged there by his father!
 
Quick! Let's find the most extreme version of self-defense to make all protection of property look barbaric and wrong.




Date: 10/31/2008 9:53:00 AM
Author: rob09
Why couldn't the guy just shoot that boy? Invasion of private property and theft. Good enough for me. Self-defense at its best. And electricity is so expensive nowadays.
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Oh phew, someone already did.
 
Date: 10/31/2008 11:00:33 AM
Author: luckystar112
Personally, I think it's sick and disturbing when a father takes advantage of his own child and forces him to try and commit a crime. I guess that's just me.

It was a little zap. If you should be mad at anyone, be made at that father. The guy who rigged the sign was just protecting his home after his sign was tampered with multiple times before. I'm sure he wasn't planning the perp to be a 9 year old urged there by his father!
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No, I agree; that is why it is important to think through our actions because you don't know who is on the receiving end. I feel for the kid and I think that is why we have authorities so we can turn a video tape over to the police not take action into our hands; two wrongs don't make a right.
 
Okay I''m going to look heartless if I don''t at least concede to the fact that it was unfortunate of the little boy to get shocked.

Still, to be fair to the homeowner...all he did was hook up his sign to an electric sign designed for pets. He also posted signs warning of electric shock. Then, after all of this went down, apparently his sign was stolen again, the very next day!!!

Why can''t people just accept other''s political views. I don''t get it.
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Date: 10/31/2008 12:09:07 PM
Author: luckystar112
Okay I'm going to look heartless if I don't at least concede to the fact that it was unfortunate of the little boy to get shocked.


Still, to be fair to the homeowner...all he did was hook up his sign to an electric sign designed for pets. He also posted signs warning of electric shock. Then, after all of this went down, apparently his sign was stolen again, the very next day!!!


Why can't people just accept other's political views. I don't get it.
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A little bit of humor ...
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Seriously, video-taping would have been better. I am not really a believer in teaching a lesson by physically harming someone (yes, even when there are no outward signs of it), but I guess I am not old-fashioned/traditional enough. Maybe this also shows how bad our educational system is? That boy pry could not read the sign in the first place. LOL. In any case, stealing signs is wrong ... we can all agree on that! Now if that parent indeed made the kid do it, I would have personally taken my taser gun and taken action against such an irresponsible adult. Self-defense or not. Imaging if a PET got hurt with all this nonsense. The house owner would have had PETA on his doorstep and a lawsuit as well. Nobody would say that the dog got taught a valuable lesson that pets should not relieve themselves on political signs. But that is a whole other story I guess.
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I wanted to post this, but see that strm beat me to it.
 
I am a huge supporter of private security surveillance systems. Electrifying a political support sign in one''s yard is a little bit too whacked out to my senses. The risk/reward ratio is too thoughtless for my brain to wrap around the rationale behind it.
 
As long as the current is such that it couldn''t possibly do any real damage...

I''d have to say bravo to that homeowner! As I read it, what this homeowner did is comparable to rigging the sprinklers to spray lawnsign vandals. It strikes me as a perfectly acceptable response to someone who is determined to prevent you from showing your support for the candidate or cause of your choice.

I know someone who thinks nothing of confronting and basically trying to intimidate people who express support for political views she opposes -- whether they''re family (like me) or total strangers. She calls it conviction, I consider it inappropriate and pathetic... but at least she''s up-front about her actions. People who remove or deface campaign signs are also trying to silence voices they don''t agree with, but they don''t have the guts to own up to their actions.
 
Would you still feel the same way about protecting a sign if you knew the shock could be potentially fatal to an infant or to other life if perhaps....oh, it was raining and the combination was lethal?

I don''t compare arguing with courage of conviction to a potentially physically harmful act. Words are just words after all. Debate, even highly spirited debate, can hardly be compared to the act of causing physical harm or pain. Now, if the debaters starting firing bullets or spitting in the face...that escalates it from mere words to physical assault. But hey, maybe it''s just the safety manager in me that thinks of physical safety in very serious preventative means.

The concern over a sign being more important than the risk to a human is beyond my comprehension. And quite frankly, I prefer it stay that way.
 
Date: 11/2/2008 12:48:30 AM
Author: miraclesrule
Would you still feel the same way about protecting a sign if you knew the shock could be potentially fatal to an infant or to other life if perhaps....oh, it was raining and the combination was lethal?
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No, of course not.
 
Date: 11/2/2008 1:36:06 AM
Author: luckystar112
Are electric fences (designed for pets, like the one that was used) fatal to animals when it rains?



Genuinely asking...
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no they aren''t
They are current limited to a safe level.
 
Date: 11/2/2008 12:48:30 AM
Author: miraclesrule
Would you still feel the same way about protecting a sign if you knew the shock could be potentially fatal to an infant or to other life if perhaps....oh, it was raining and the combination was lethal?
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not likely an infant could grab the sign and he could have been soaking wet and standing in a tub of water and it wouldn't have been fatal or even close to it.

In some states he could have been shot for trespassing and damage to private property and it would have been legal.
 
Are electric fences (designed for pets, like the one that was used) fatal to animals when it rains?


Genuinely asking...
 
Date: 11/2/2008 1:02:13 AM
Author: VRBeauty


Date: 11/2/2008 12:48:30 AM
Author: miraclesrule
Would you still feel the same way about protecting a sign if you knew the shock could be potentially fatal to an infant or to other life if perhaps....oh, it was raining and the combination was lethal?
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No, of course not.
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I knew you wouldn't Mims, I was just being contentious because ...well, I was just in that kind of mood.

strmdr: Legality aside, I was referring to the ethical/moral/stupidity factor of protecting a political sign at the expense of human health. On Halloween, some dumbass killed a 12-yr old for knocking on his door. He emptied an AK with 29 rounds at the door because he thought he was about to be robbed. You're right, the guy will probably have a self-defense argument because he will be able to prove he was protecting his property. Extreme stupidity is not illegal even if it's lethal.
 
Well, I don''t think the property owner anticipated that some jacka** was going to have his 9 year old son do his dirty work for him either. People have been acting like subhumans during this whole election. On both sides.
 
That''s a messed up story, Miracles. Did the man forget it was Halloween? Was his porch light on? I only ask because if had his porch light off I could understand why he wouldn''t be expecting someone...not that it is any excuse. What time was it? Was the kid out when the others were...was it later in the night? Interesting. I''ll have to look this up.


In any case though, I would actually think that barbed wire would be more damaging than a little zap. And people use barbed wire all the time. What if the kid had sliced his leg open? This little zap was more than mundane. I definitely think this is the father''s fault. Apparently his dad couldn''t read "Warning! Electrocution!" signs either.

Speaking of signs, I read on the news another day that some online newspaper somewhere posted the addresses of every house that had a McCain sign in the front yard.
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They later removed the addresses when people freaked out, but not before damage was done. Their excuse was "It''s just information. We post the addresses of people who have Christmas lights too".
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Date: 11/2/2008 10:35:37 AM
Author: miraclesrule
Date: 11/2/2008 1:02:13 AM

Author: VRBeauty



Date: 11/2/2008 12:48:30 AM

Author: miraclesrule

Would you still feel the same way about protecting a sign if you knew the shock could be potentially fatal to an infant or to other life if perhaps....oh, it was raining and the combination was lethal?
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No, of course not.
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I knew you wouldn''t Mims, I was just being contentious because ...well, I was just in that kind of mood.


strmdr: Legality aside, I was referring to the ethical/moral/stupidity factor of protecting a political sign at the expense of human health. On Halloween, some dumbass killed a 12-yr old for knocking on his door. He emptied an AK with 29 rounds at the door because he thought he was about to be robbed. You''re right, the guy will probably have a self-defense argument because he will be able to prove he was protecting his property. Extreme stupidity is not illegal even if it''s lethal.
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Except..if this is the same story I am thinking of the guy was a felon and shouldn''t have had a gun, so he''ll get something thrown at him. We can at least
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that some kind of justice will be done.
 
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